4-RUNNIN' FREAK

Hey all.
I am trying to buy 2 cases of NEO synthetic. Problem is, The site http://www.neosyntheticoil.com has a link to order it and it comes up as an error. Just wondering if it just may be my browser settings or is it not made anymore or just not readily available. Has anyone bought some at one point in time? If so, from where? Any help would be appreciated. I like to switch up the brand of oil every two or three changes. I just put in some Castrol Syntec and I was told by my neighbor that not all oil is 100% synthetic. Also, I read one post by Gadget that said the same. Mobil 1 is not even 100% from what my neighbor told me because of a lawsuit or something of that sort that made them not "have" to make it 100% synthetic.
I want some 5W-30 for the winter and some 10W-30 for summer if it matters.

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While poking around the net I read that there are not many true 100% synthetics out there. Amsoil, NEO, Redline, and Torco just to name a few.
I tried Amsoil as a result of this board and Torco at the suggestion of my neighbor.
Mobil 1, Royal Purple & Castrol Syntec are some of the oil brands who claim they are synthetics.
Can anyone reply to this?
Make a list of what IS 100% synthetic maybe?
I'll still poke around the net and see what I find.

CynicX

Mobil 1 has a good rep....I used it in my WRX. Never heard a claim of it not being full syn. I always here alot of good stuff on here about amsoil, never used it personally though. Not that you would be able to notice a difference. After doing a lot of reading by third parties testing and analyisis, I've come to believe that even if you use synthetic, you should still change it at your regular intervals of no more then 7k miles or so.

4-RUNNIN' FREAK

Here is some interesting reading.
http://www.synlube.com/synthetic.htm

I am looking for the article that ststes Mobil 1 isn't a pure 100% synthetic.

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http://www.synthetic-oil-tech.com/

In fact, the Castrol Syntec isn't even a 100% pure Group 4 synthetic. That's right...read on........

CASTROL AND MOBIL GO TO COURT TO BATTLE IT OUT:

Recently, Mobil accused Castrol of reformulating its synthetic by substituting other basestocks in place of its synthetic polyaphaolefins (PAO's). Castrol Syntec is a hydrocracked oil. That's right, Castrol has replaced the PAO synthetic base stock with hydroisomerized petroleum base stock. Hydrocracking, as it's called, is the highest level of petroleum refining. Castrol isn't even a true synthetic yet Castrol ended up winning the battle when the National Advertising Division of the Council of Better Business Bureaus ruled that Castrol could still market its oil as "synthetic" despite their new formulation. Basically, they expanded the definition of synthetics to include Group III hydroprocessed petroleum oil. This high profile case took place because synthetics are recognized as the market's best hope for growth. Synthetic oil sales have outpaced petroleum oil sales by a wide margin and the gap continues to widen every year. Consumers are getting smarter and demand the best for their vehicles! Read the full story on the Castrol debacle in our informative articles section. Additionally, just as soon as Castrol won this battle, several other major oil companies jumped in and came up with hydroprocessed motor oils of their own and labeled these products to be "100% synthetic", when they still are primarly Group III hydroprocessed petroleum oils!

I have read somewhere that Mobil was one company that the last sentance applies to. I shall look for that also.
Just trying to get some info on someone who may really know, not just from the biased info on the net.

jasonbrink

This is kind of old news, but...

That article you just posted is about how MOBIL sued CASTROL because CASTROL syntec is NOT a full synthetic oil. MOBIL IS a synthetic oil, that is why they (MOBIL) were mad that CASTROL could advertise a "blend" as a full synthetic oil. Well, some dumb ass that presided over the case obviously didn't know his @##$ from a #@$@#$5 and found in favor of CASTROL allowing them to sell their (and now every other brand of oil has one as well) "blend" as "Synthetic oil." It's not. Mobil1 is.

gwhayduke

Try bobistheoilguy.com

Mobil 1 is one of the few truly synthetic oils out there. I was using Castrol Syntec in the 90's and noticed the color of the new oil changed from one oil change to another. I don't really know if that was when they made the change or not. But it still made my Corolla run better than dino oil. I now use Mobil 1 though. I hate deceptive advertising and think what Castrol is doing is wrong.

ugadawg95

fwiw Mobil1 States 'Fully Synthetic' on the container.

4-RUNNIN' FREAK

Thanks. Can anyone answer the question of where I can pick up some NEO? as I stated before, I like to switch up the brands every few changes.

Buki

I think these guys make it or just carry it.
http://www.bakerprecision.com/
Anyway that's where I get it from.

kris

Castrol sells a true full synthetic oil. But it needs to say Porsche approved, and made in Germany on the back. Then it will be a full synthetic. Autozone seems to be the main place that sells that around here.

here is a informative oil website.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/

ssrmr2turbo

agree with BUKI. thats where i get it from.

4-RUNNIN' FREAK

Many other brands of Synthetics (Shell, Castrol, Amsoil, etc.) are NOT fully "synthetic" at all, at least by the definition used for years by chemists in all chemical companies around the World.

http://www.synlube.com/synthetic.htm

How Synthetic is your "Synthetic" Oil?


The case of the "carrier oil".

Example:

Back labels of Mobil 1 products for many years had following:
" * exclusive of carrier oil" statement in substantially smaller print.

While at the same time the front label declared the Mobil 1 as:
"100% Synthetic * ". in really large print.

If you are a good detective you’ll notice that the statement on the Front label ends with an asterisk (*) and the statement on the Back label starts with an asterisk (*).

If you are really good, you’ll figure out that the asterisks are the magical "glue" that connects the two together and that what should be understood is:

" 100 % Synthetic, exclusive of carrier oil ".

Well, that is only the beginning of our decoding mission. When asked, majority of consumers has absolutely no idea what "carrier oil" is, or what the meaning of "exclusive of" really is.

So if you are totally confused at this point, do not despair, soon you shall be enlightened with a wisdom worthy of CLS (Certified Lubrication Specialist).

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These "quasi-synthetics" are almost as good as PAO but much cheaper.

Patience, please, the ultimate truth will be revealed soon!

Read the definitions several times and try to understand!

OK here is the reasoning for:

" 100 % Synthetic, exclusive of carrier oil ".

The "100% Synthetic" relates to the Base Oil or Base Stock, it and only it (the Base Stock) is synthetically made. In case of Mobil 1, it was originally PAO (Poly-alpha-olefin).

The "exclusive of carrier oil" means in English that the Carrier or the Process Oil that is used to "carry" the additives is not synthetic oil and therefore, the final product (Motor Oil)
is NOT 100% Synthetic, even though the Base Oil is 100% Synthetic.

GOT THAT ?

Well then, what does Mobil (now ExxonMobil) have to say about that ?

Q: Is Mobil 1 a fully synthetic oil?

Yes, it’s 100% synthetic. The base stocks used in blending Mobil 1 are all "chemically constructed" instead of being simply segregated out of crude oil like conventional mineral oils.

Q: Then why does it say it contains a petroleum carrier for additives?

All motor oils contain additives that provide extra protection against wear, corrosion and engine deposits. These additives are usually high molecular weight materials – sometimes even solids. Conventional carrier oil is used to make these additives soluble. All motor oils will contain some of this carrier oil, usually only amounting to a small percentage of the finished product.

Source of above Questions and Answers is www.mobil,com and Mobil 1 promotional literature from 1999.

4-RUNNIN' FREAK

This is even more interesting and makes a lot of sense. I know it is their own company pushing their own oil, but the 5W50 seems like it should be better. I never believed a guy that works in the automotive division of my company when he told me that he uses 5W40 oil in his Yota and has well over 500,000 miles on it with no major engine work. I thought it was just from him being a mechanic and fixing it well so I never believed him that he can get that just from oil.


http://www.synlube.com/sae5w-20.htm

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What About Groups IV and V?
Group IV includes polyalphaolefins (PAOs) (AMSOIL, MOBIL1). Group V includes all other basestocks not included in Groups I, II, III and IV. Esters are Group V basestocks (Red Line).

According to Lubes 'N' Greases (Nov. 1997), if basestocks were arranged in a performance pyramid, the Group I stocks would comprise the base, Groups II and III the middle and Group IV the pinnacle of performance. Group IV stocks, the PAOs, make up about 3 percent of the base oil market. (The Group V basestocks do not figure in the pyramid, presumably, because of the group's diversity, its small market share and wide range of performance.)


Borrowed from:
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Go...motor_oils.htm

4-RUNNIN' FREAK

This is some more good info from:

http://www.corax.org/hotwater/oil/Oil-1.html



Nowadays, pure synthetic base stocks are almost exclusively the domain of the diesters, as used by Amsoil and many others. The other synthetic base stocks are almost always blended with something else. This is the case with both Mobil 1 and Spectro Racing oils, which combine diester and PAO.

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Has anyone read the info from the links?
This one saying that oils made from polyol ester base stocks are best.
And one other site saying to run 10w50 or at least 10W40 even in engines that call for 5w30. That they just say to use 5w30 because auto makers have to meet certain emissions criteria, and a thicker oil will use more gas that thinner oil, but will protect better.
Comments?

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