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Old 09-03-2004, 10:31 AM
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ballancing problem

anyone out there ever have a problem ballancing stock rims and tires?would steel rims be the answer? I have brand new tires and my truck still shakes,"it did shake with old tires to"
I'm thinking steel rims maybe after market, might be easier for the local shops who don"t have the right" toyota ballancer machine" to ballance them.

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What year is your Runner?? This is probably it:

Subject: 3.32 - What is the difference between "hub centric" and "bolt or lug centric" rims ? (All)

Ninety Nine percent of all vehicles out in the world today utilze a "hub centric" rim. What that means is that when your tire/wheel combination is being balanced by a tire shop, they utilize a balance machine that relies on the hub of the rim to be a "true centering" aid. In other words, the center hole of the rim is what the tire shop uses to base the tire/wheel combination balance on. The factory alloys on the Tundra SR5 and Limited are reported to be Hub Centric rims.

Some Toyota 4Runner, Tacoma, Land Cruiser and Tundra factory rims have been reported to be "bolt centric" or "lug centric", which means that the tire/wheel combination must be centered on the lugs, and not using the center hub. An excellent example of this is the Ivan Stewart TRD wheel for the Tundra, which is a Lug Centric Wheel.

To correct this, tire shops and service centers must use a combination of a Hunter tire balance machine and a Haweka adapter. According to the internet, all 4Runner wheels must be balanced using this combination per TSB SU002-96. The Tundra equivalent to the 4Runner TSB is TSB# BR003-00.

Please ask your dealership or your tire service center if they have the listed equipment. It has been reported that many Toyota dealers do not. If you have tire work done at a Toyota dealership, ask to see the actual lug centric converter.

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Originally Posted by tim spiering
anyone out there ever have a problem ballancing stock rims and tires?would steel rims be the answer? I have brand new tires and my truck still shakes,"it did shake with old tires to"
I'm thinking steel rims maybe after market, might be easier for the local shops who don"t have the right" toyota ballancer machine" to ballance them.

Tim
Yes, it's a very common problem and a constant battle with the tire stores to take the time to do it right. On Toyota wheels there is suppost to be some kind of adapter so the wheels will be balanced using the lug holes unstead of the center hole, but good luck finding one of them, even if you go to a Toyota dealer.

The next best thing is to find a tire store that has a Hunter Road Force balancer and buy your tires there and try to get free life-time balancing with the tire purchase.

I would take the tires back to where you bought them for a refund if they can't get them balanced with no wobble. That is of coarse if it's the tires that are causing the wobble.

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discount tires suck at balancing mine, i had to get mine done twice already. They dont have the Hunter machine with that one adapter for lug-centric wheels
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Costco has it. They fill tires with nitrogen too.

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Originally Posted by TACOMANATOR
Costco has it. They fill tires with nitrogen too.
I wish we had a Costco. What's the advantage of filling tires with nitrogen?
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Nitrogen does not "leak" out of the rubber as quickly as Compressed air. It is usually about 25% cooler. It also does helps prevent rusting inside the rim. These properties help the tire pressure stay more stable than with Compressed air.

There is a bunch of stuff about it on the web.
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You might find this useful. I have found if the tires are not properly match mounted and balanced using the adapter and the GSP-9700 then the truck will have vibration. The road force variation must be less the 15 pounds or the truck will have vibration even if they are perfectly ballanced.

http://www.gadgetonline.com/vibration.htm

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