mtnkid85

Im looking a buying a 2nd gen 4runner and when I get it I would like to put 33s under it so Ive been reading every lift article Ive came across and I think Ive figured out what I need or atleast some of what I need .
OK this is what Ive come up w/ so far tell me what you think .
Downey 1.5" HD coils 169.95
Downey 1.5" lift system 129.95
rogerbrown 1" BL dont know the price do you ?

well thats what I know for now . but I have no Idea what to do with the front ? what would the best/cheapest thing to do for the front ? will I need longer shocks ? If so Im think about the Bilistine 5100 series . also is there ANY thing else I will need or should have ? thanx

jimrockford

I've got the Downey HD coils on my 91 4Runner. They are good for a 1 1/2" lift in the rear. For the front, I cranked my torsion bars up some to level it out with the rear. Obviously, that's hard on the CV joints. In fact, I've already got a split in one of the boots. Installing manual hubs should prevent that, though. I waited too long to install mine.

I'm not sure what the Downey 1 1/2" lift system is though. For the back, all you need are the Downey coils for a 1 1/2" lift. Is the "lift system" a set of coil spacers?

I think you could fit 32s with the coils and 1" body lift with no problem. I can't really say for sure though, because I'm running 31" BFG MTs. However, they don't rub at all without a body lift.

mtnkid85

the "lift system" includes 1.5" thick polyurethane spring seats , 1.5" billet alluminium upper snubber lowering blocks and bolts , 3" sway bar links and a heavy duty 3" panhard rod remounting bracket . this kit provides a additional 1.5" of lift when used with downey 1.5" rear coil springs providing 3 " of total rear lift .
thats directly from the Downey catalog .

whats the best manual hubs ? There are warn hubs in the downey catalog for 134.41 .
but Ive also heard about Aisin ? hubs are these better ? if so where can I find them and or read about them ?
and for the front I should just crank the torsion bars ? also what are SAWS ?
Thanx for any help and

doink

alot of people prefer aisin hubs just do to the fact htat they came stock on toyotas a while back. you can pick up a pair for aobut 50 bux i think from www.yotayard.com . if you want warn hubs, i think i remember seeing those for 100 at 4wheelparts. i would think with the BL, and the downey kits in the rear, alnog with a bit of a torsion bar crank, you could be able to squeeze some 33s on there with little rubbing.. could do some fender trimming too. also, keep in mine with 33s, youll loose some power and will probably need to regear. i have 33s and its definatly a task to get above 90 on the interstate

mtnkid85

wow thanx .Ya Ive came up w/ another price sheet for the gears .and hubs.
4.88 front gears 137.50
4.88 rear 137.50
front install kit 27.40
rear install 42.96

aisin hubs 50.00 (havent checked on these but I will)

total : 395.36
but Im still alittle confused w/ what to do up front . If I get manual hubs and crank the torsion bars then I wont have to do ANY thing else up front ? rember I plan on having about 3" of rear lift w/ the HD coils and the 1.5" spacers. also what size of billy 5100 shocks will I need ?
once agian thank you guys very much.

Victor

I clear my tires fine with just a Downey HD spring set in the rear and torsion bar crank. To clear 33's you probably only need a 1" or 1.5" body lift. You won't need the spring spacers as that will make the back sit higher than the front - you can't torque the torsion bars enough to compensate for that much rear lift. I think the 1" body lift will work if you get the right backspacing for your wheels and a little work with a hammer to flatten the body seam.

mtnkid85

how hard/involved is the manual hub install ? Is there any special tools needed , is it a job for a expert mecanic or could a regualr old joe w/ some mechanical skill do it in his drive way (that would be me) . also Ive been seeing let alot of guys are running 25mm torsion bars up front , whats the deal w/ these what are the main reasons for going with them ? could I get by w/o them ?
thanks again

Victor

All you need are the Aisin hubs and a 10mm and 12mm socket. The 25mm torsion bars are only necesary when you add a lot of weight up front like an aftermarket bumper with a winch. Don't put those on your truck if you are stock weight - it will be far too stiff up front.

mtnkid85

cool to do the hubs I just need a 10 mm and 12 mm socket and Im guessing they just slide out and the aisin slide right in ?. thanx

Leo

Here's mine on 33s.



There are a lot of options for your 2nd gen, check out this site for write ups on suspensions to fit 33s.

http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/4Runner/tech/suspension/

If you are interested I am selling my 2 1/2" AllPro spring spacers. You can use the spacers on your stock springs and still fit 33s. I have replaced mine with 1 1/4" Daystar spacers.

jimrockford

It's an easy job. The only gotcha is with the cone washers. I did a write up when I replaced my spindle bushings that shows how to remove them. You can read it here:

Steering Spindle Bushing Replacement

Metal22lica did a write up on refurbing and installing Aisin hubs:

Aisin Manual Hub Install

Those two links should be more than enough to do the job.

Also, I agree with Victor on the lift. 1.5" suspension plus 1-1.5" body lift should be enough to clear 33s. I didn't realize you were talking 3" of lift. 3" will be quite a bit more expensive since you can't crank the torsion bars enough to level things out.

I think you'd have to look into getting a kit to replace the front upper and lower control arms. That type of kit is bound to run well over a grand and be a lot more work to install.

mtnkid85

ok thanx guys so If I just go w/ the Downey 1.5 " spacers and the roger brown 1" body lift crank the torsion bars and swap in some aisin hubs I will be good to go w/ 33s ? PS. Im only doing this to get a price on what it would cost to put 33s on a 2nd gen 4runner . I do not even own one yet, still tring to sell my other one .
So as things look right now this is what it will take or what I will do .

Downey 1.5" thick polyurethane spring seats w/ 1.5" billet alluminium upper snubber lowering blocks and bolts , 3" sway bar links and a heavy duty 3" panhard rod remounting bracket .
129.95
roger brown 1" body lift approx 100.00
aisin hubs from yotayard approx 50.00 ?
bilstein 5100 shocks 69.95x4
4.88 gears F&R from downey 275
front install kit 27.40
rear install kit 42.96
TOTAL 902.11
WOW thats quit a bit of money. lol these are just rough prices I have not searched the net to find better prices so if you know of any where I can get any of these items for cheaper than what Ive listed I would appreciate it if you chime in and tell me where.
THANK you guys very much for all the helpfull info !!!!!

Victor

I'd do the Downey 1.5" HD springs and not the spacers. The stock springs are too soft and you'll have bottoming out issues. The HD's ride great - better than stock since they don't bottom out.

Leo how big a body lift you have?

Robinhood150

Wait, are you still planning on going 3 inches in the back and only cranking the front T bars? If so then you're going to be really really high in the back. If you only go 1.5 inches in the back then you don't need the panhard drop or the sway bar links.

Some 4runners come stock with 4.88s. Usually it's the V6 auto tranny with 31 inch tires that came with them. To verify this, check the sticker on the door jam for the code and look it up. There is a link to the code decipher in my webpage in the FAQ section.

Leo

I have a 1" body lift from Roger Brown

Cebby

That IS alot of money, but you are forgetting the installation cost of the gears. Unless you've got some special equipment and knowledge, you can't really put these in yourself properly.

BTW, I didn't see the cost of the wheels and tires in there either...

KevyWevy

ok guys i need some help too.

alright i've been doing tons of searches on here the past few days and im just confusing the hell out of myself. what would i need for a 3" suspension lift?

Downey 1.5" HD coils 169.95
Downey 1.5" lift system 129.95 like mtnkid85 said

but what do i need to do to the front? since you guys were saying that if you crank the torsion bars it will be lower in the front? and what price am i looking at here with new shocks and everything?

or should i just go with the 1.5" HD coils and crank the torsion bars and call it good? how much lift would that give me? thanks guys i love you all sooooooo much!!

NCSU-4runner

if you just do the coils you wont need to do anything to the tbars, it should be just about leveled out then. if you do the full 3in kit (like me) you might want to do a very mild cranking to them to level it out a little more


3in suspension, 2in body, mild tbar crank and ive never rubbed the 33s on the road. on the trail is a different story but thats almost impossible to get rid of up front

NCSU-4runner

and heres a picture, for your viewing pleasure

KevyWevy

ok so if i do the 3" lift in the back i should be able to crank the bars enough to level out the front? and i would need new longer shocks front and back right?