waterforGas?? is this crap??
06-10-2008, 12:59 PM
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waterforGas?? is this crap??
Has anyone done any research on this or have any experience with this application. I've heard alot about it and it seems that everyones first reaction is that its a scam although I have also heard of quite a few success stories?!? Will this crack your cylinders?? any comments??
06-10-2008, 01:11 PM
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Has anyone done any research on this or have any experience with this application. I've heard alot about it and it seems that everyones first reaction is that its a scam although I have also heard of quite a few success stories?!? Will this crack your cylinders?? any comments??
But to simply answer your question, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
06-10-2008, 01:29 PM
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06-10-2008, 01:43 PM
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WE have been testing this at work and have got the BROWN WATER as they call it and it do's ignite with a flame.
Right now we are working on building a working unit and are going to try it out on 2 different vehciles 1 is a 2000 saturan and the other is my 4runner to see if it really works.
As of right now we have 3 different styles of gasing systems one is built with the 316l stainless steel and it works good on the bench
the second is we are using stainless steel plates 2" wide and it seems to do as good if not a bit better then the 316l wire
the last and newest one we started putting together today is with stainless steel welding rod cleaned off to get just the rod itself should haver it working tomorrow
We will be trying them all side by side to see if one doe's better then the other and go from there. All this is more or less an experiment for bomb squad info on the reality of it being a explosive device issue and the real threat it may poise if any plus the benifit of better gas mileage.
Right now we are working on building a working unit and are going to try it out on 2 different vehciles 1 is a 2000 saturan and the other is my 4runner to see if it really works.
As of right now we have 3 different styles of gasing systems one is built with the 316l stainless steel and it works good on the bench
the second is we are using stainless steel plates 2" wide and it seems to do as good if not a bit better then the 316l wire
the last and newest one we started putting together today is with stainless steel welding rod cleaned off to get just the rod itself should haver it working tomorrow
We will be trying them all side by side to see if one doe's better then the other and go from there. All this is more or less an experiment for bomb squad info on the reality of it being a explosive device issue and the real threat it may poise if any plus the benifit of better gas mileage.
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06-10-2008, 01:51 PM
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Adding hydrogen to the fuel in an engine does increase efficiency, up to 20% gains have been found. Some of the city buses here run on hydrogen/diesel or hydrogen/natural gas with good results. Of course they use pure hydrogen, compressed into big tanks on the roof
Whether adding a hydrogen/oxygen mixture to gasoline does anything, or whether a small electolysis unit can even produce enough gas to make a difference remains to be seen. Though if the price of gas gets any higher even a 1-2% increase may be worth trying.
Whether adding a hydrogen/oxygen mixture to gasoline does anything, or whether a small electolysis unit can even produce enough gas to make a difference remains to be seen. Though if the price of gas gets any higher even a 1-2% increase may be worth trying.
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I know they were injecting water into airplanes back in WW2 - but that was for added performance and cooling not fuel mileage. Specifically this idea is helpful for turbocharged or supercharged engines.
Link to Gov test (pdf)
Guy who did water injection on his hot rod - w/ dyno graphs
Brief technical overview of why for supercharged/turbocharged engines.
Link to Gov test (pdf)
Guy who did water injection on his hot rod - w/ dyno graphs
Brief technical overview of why for supercharged/turbocharged engines.
06-10-2008, 02:17 PM
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ya that pic is me pulling my truck out. ya dont listen to your friend that is telling you "just do it i have been on this trail many times(2 time in july) it cant be that deep. dont be a "
06-10-2008, 02:27 PM
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In the end, with current technologiy this will not work. In the future it is possible. The problem is not IF it would work, it would work. The problem is that you can't get something for nothing. And due to a lot of phisics that i don't care to go into you can't get more power from the "HHO" then it takes to make it.
Now if you were to make the "HHO" at home, compress it and put it in a tank on the car THEN it would work. But you would then have to pay for the power to make it at home (though it would be marginally cheaper then the gas you would save).
As technoligy inproves this might become a way to make cars more effechent, but i doubt it.
Now if you were to make the "HHO" at home, compress it and put it in a tank on the car THEN it would work. But you would then have to pay for the power to make it at home (though it would be marginally cheaper then the gas you would save).
As technoligy inproves this might become a way to make cars more effechent, but i doubt it.
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06-10-2008, 02:50 PM
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I run water/meth injection on my cummins. Not necessarily "ran" on water, but it's used to keep your egts down (-250ºf), give some more hp (+80 @rw), which lets me keep my foot out of it as much thus increasing my milage. Though it's also nice having having the extra ponies to put away that stray mustang or whatever happens to come around 
06-10-2008, 03:10 PM
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I run water/meth injection on my cummins. Not necessarily "ran" on water, but it's used to keep your egts down (-250ºf), give some more hp (+80 @rw), which lets me keep my foot out of it as much thus increasing my milage. Though it's also nice having having the extra ponies to put away that stray mustang or whatever happens to come around
06-10-2008, 03:21 PM
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This was on MSNBC and CNN, and the guy who invented it (Stanley Meyers) from Ohio, in 1989 (?) was supposedly killed (MURDERED BY POISON) after he told people the gas companies were threatening him. BUT, he filed a FALSE patent: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fuel_cell)
As to if what you see on the internet works or not, NO!!! Wouldn't someone have already started mass-producing this and installing it on everyone's car who wants a 40% increase in fuel efficiency? Instead of just selling the "plans"... You'd make a KILLING!!! Not to mention saving the world and everything!
As to if what you see on the internet works or not, NO!!! Wouldn't someone have already started mass-producing this and installing it on everyone's car who wants a 40% increase in fuel efficiency? Instead of just selling the "plans"... You'd make a KILLING!!! Not to mention saving the world and everything!
06-10-2008, 03:26 PM
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http://www.aquamist.co.uk/cp/cp.html
I know some of the Toyota turbo guys use it.
And a pretty good writeup on the HHO setups:- http://community.discovery.com/eve/f...8/m/2321969559
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Not too sure about the particulars for yall 24v guys, but the same thing always holds true. Open up the intake (AFE is the absolute best), and open up your exhaust (mbrp is good if you don't wanna make your own exhast. love my megamouth downpipe).
Get yourself a pyro. Learn to drive RIGHT. Roll on the throttle, let it spool up before you get on it. 5/6spd gonna naturally run a little cooler than an auto.
Get yourself a pyro. Learn to drive RIGHT. Roll on the throttle, let it spool up before you get on it. 5/6spd gonna naturally run a little cooler than an auto.
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I have built a few of these units and installed them on older carbureted vehicles and it showed an increase in mileage. The key is getting a set up that produces enough HHO gas to be effective. I was able to completely close the idle mixture screws on the carb and the engine ran perectly. I had to go back and open them 1/4 turn for when i came to a stop because the sudden increase in vacuum would suck all the gas out and kill the engine. Considering that the mixture screws were open about 1 1/2 rounds before that is a significant decrease in the amount of fuel being used by the engine.
