boggsu2

It's seems its time to change my timing chain and water pump. Found half a handful of plastic in my oil Pam on my 22re. I don't want to go with plastic guides. Where can I find aluminum or steel timing chain guides?

Also there was 2 pieces of aluminum in the oil pan. Any idea what they could have come from?

DemonRunner

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TOYOTA-22R-R...item5aed984356

rattlewagon

Also check engnbldr and LCE for 22re parts

RobotMoose

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Pay extra and get a dual row chain kit.
Metal guides and a single row chain is a different can of worms because the chain will still stretch just as quickly, but you won't get any noises until you've jumped a tooth or snapped a chain.

Ctenosaurian

Good tip, I will have to remember this when I do my timing chain down the road.

boggsu2

Thanks y'all.

boggsu2

What is the average life of a timing kit like from autozone or advanced?

Co_94_PU

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Two days over the warranty

RobotMoose

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I would rather contract Rabies and suffer through 21 painful shots over months of repeated doctor's visits than run another Autozone part in my rig.

The last AZ part I installed lasted ninety-three days before the cheapie fuel pump started puking fuel all over my engine compartment from the blow-off valve.

Terrys87

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You said you had some aluminum in the oil pan. I would suggest checking your timing chain cover and see if the chain didnt wear into it. Usually it is on the drivers side of the cover. It could of scarred it and it goes on long enough it can eat into a water passage that goes thru the cover.

I am on both sides of the fence as far as steel guides. I think they would be better then plastic, but also I wonder that with the plastic guides wearing out is also a good indication that the timing chain needs replaced as well. I have never had steel guides so cant really say for sure.

Im just thinking that using the steel guides might get the timing chain neglected on being swapped out when it needs to be.

redbayredneck

Not meaning to hijack the thread... But if you do the double-row conversion, will it affect anything like pulley alignment or where the fan is? probably a stupid question, just want to make sure before I decide.

Terrys87

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It wouldnt effect fan or anything else as it would be behind the cover and head assembly. I have installed a dual row chain before, but that was only because it came with a dual row chain. I could be wrong, but it was a long time ago and on an old style block 84 and older and I think it was one of those.

I dont know if it is an actual upgrade and if it can be done or if it is with what the standard motor actually came with. Some were standard that way as far as I am aware of.

redbayredneck

The kit I was looking at came with a new cover, I figured it might stick out further or something.

Terrys87

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I dont know if it would work or not, but with the extra chain, it would add to strength. If it works and no problems, I would like to know about it. If you go about that could you post more info up on it and even PM me if it is going to be awhile before you get to it? Just incase I miss your build of it.

Philbert

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If you haven't already bought parts, I recommend the ENGNBLDR Front end Kit (FEK):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TOYOTA-22R-R...c555b1&vxp=mtr

$140 for timing chain, cover, guides (metal), oil pump, water pump, gaskets. Pretty hard to beat and tons of guys including me have used them. Been in business over 40 years - they KNOW 22REs....

On the dual row kits, I think they came on the 22R's standard, could be wrong. You can get a kit from LCE:
http://www.lceperformance.com/22R-RE...-p/1015012.htm

They are pricey, but LCE usually costs the most for everything (they make great stuff, just sayin....)

There are some great DIY threads on how to do the job - just google it. Also check out 92 TOY's thread - it's in his signature.

Good luck - keep us posted.

RobotMoose

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The single-row t-chain became standard in about '81, prior to then and with the 20R it was a double-row. I think it was 81, or maybe 80. They phased over to single-row about the same time they phased out the 20R (22R remained an optional until late '80 IIRC). That's how I remember the approximate time the change-over happened.

FWIW, I like the plastic guides. They wear out when the chain's stretched, so when it's time for new guides, it's also time for a new chain. Their rattling is your truck telling you when you're due for a new timing kit. That's why I don't consider metal guides alone to be a legitimate upgrade, it's just sweeping the troubles under the rug.
A double-row kit with metal guides is actually closer to OEM for early 22Rs and late 20Rs.

redbayredneck

I've been going through the threads here all day (shh, don't tell my boss) and I've just about decided that if I don't go dual row, then I will be going back with OSK plastic guides. They've lasted this long, and nothing is wrong with them (that I know of), I'm only replacing the timing chain for preventative maintenance.

I'm also going to replace the oil pump with OEM while I've got it apart. Still debating on whether to do the water pump or not.

88toy4wd

Just replaced mine with a HD kit from ebay. Along with the complete gasket kit, I got the timing chain, metal guides, timing cover, water pump, oil pump, for about $145.

HighLux

I went with the engnbldr kits on 2 occasions. Got the steel guide. It is on the driver side only. they ship quickly, answer the phone when you call and are very helpful. Any issue I have seen has been dealt with in record time. A+ company to deal with.

If you are going through all the trouble...get a new timing cover, water pump, chain set up with tensioner, and oil pump.

I wouldnt bother with a dual row set up.

As terry said...aluminum is most likely from the timing cover. wearing because the guide was broke.

Lots of timing chain threads here and people to help you through it if you need.

Co_94_PU

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I recommend the steel guide. It won't heat fatigue and break it's mount. You'll hear the chain hitting either type of guide, just in one case it is steel on steel, instead of steel on plastic or al.

There were some pictures posted recently of a chain damaging the lower section of the housing. So you can still wind up with AL flakes in the oil even with a steel guide.

Double chains are worth the money if your right foot is a little heavier than your head.