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Old 05-12-2009, 11:56 AM
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Surface finish for head gaskets

Some good info I ran across today. I haven't seen much with numbers before. EDIT 2/25/11 new link, I think its basically the same info: http://www.aa1car.com/library/gasket_failure.htm

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For bimetal engines with composition gaskets, the recommended surface finish is 20 to 50 RA
MLS gaskets require an extremely smooth, flat surface finish on both mating surfaces (typically 20 to 30 RA or less).

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Hmm i figured the aluminum and cast iron would work against the head gasket but i never thought about the roughness of the mating surfaces
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Funny how that article groups the 5vzfe 3.4 with the 2.0l dodge neon as "problem" motors and not the 3vze 3.0 .
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Funny how that article groups the 5vzfe 3.4 with the 2.0l dodge neon as "problem" motors and not the 3vze 3.0 .
They did.

and Toyota 3.0L and 3.4L V6 engines
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I missed that part your right , I only saw this .

Aftermarket gasket manufacturers are also using MLS technology to introduce more durable replacement gaskets for certain "problem" engines that came originally equipped with conventional head gaskets. These include the 2.0L Dodge Neon engine and the Toyota 5VZFE 3.4L V6 truck engine. The aftermarket MLS replacement gaskets for both of these applications have a thicker surface coating and can handle a more traditional surface finish of 60 to 70 RA.
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Originally Posted by RMA
I missed that part your right , I only saw this .

Aftermarket gasket manufacturers are also using MLS technology to introduce more durable replacement gaskets for certain "problem" engines that came originally equipped with conventional head gaskets. These include the 2.0L Dodge Neon engine and the Toyota 5VZFE 3.4L V6 truck engine. The aftermarket MLS replacement gaskets for both of these applications have a thicker surface coating and can handle a more traditional surface finish of 60 to 70 RA.
I missed that part, thanks.
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Interesting. thought I'd insert the text here in case the link goes TU one day:

Head Gasket Failure
Coming Apart at the Seams
By Larry Carley, Technical Editor

The head gasket is one of the most critical gaskets in an engine because it has to seal all of the combustion chambers as well as the coolant and oil passages between the head and block. The gasket has to provide a leak-free seal from the moment it is first installed, and maintain that seal for the life of the engine - which might well be 150,000 miles or more on many of today’s vehicles.

When a head gasket fails to go the distance, there’s usually a reason why. The reasons can be lumped into three categories:

* Design issues with the engine or gasket (hard-to-seal engine, thermal stress created by bimetal engine or weak gasket design).
* Installation errors (head or block not clean, smooth or flat; wrong surface finish; using the wrong sequence; procedure or torque specifications when tightening the head bolts; reusing stretched, damaged or dirty bolts; using a sealer on a gasket that does not require a sealer, etc.).
* Operating conditions that overstress the gasket and cause it to fail (preignition, detonation and overheating).

Bimetal Stress
One factor that makes many engines hard to seal today is aluminum cylinder heads on cast iron blocks. Aluminum heads save weight but expand 1.7 times faster than cast iron when they get hot. The difference in expansion rates creates a lot of motion and scrubbing between the head and the block. If the head gasket can’t handle this motion and isn’t strong enough to withstand the shearing forces that occur every time the engine is started, run and allowed to cool back down, it will eventually leak.

A few recent examples of this kind of problem include the OEM head gaskets in the Dodge Neon 2.2L, Ford 3.8L V6 and Toyota 3.0L and 3.4L V6 engines.

Going further back, we all remember the problems GM had with the 2.3L Quad Four head gaskets. All of these engines have experienced a high rate of premature failure because the OEM head gasket couldn’t keep a seal. Fortunately, the aftermarket developed replacement gaskets for all of these applications that solved the original problem.

If the surface finish on a bimetal engine head and block is too rough and digs into the gasket too deeply, it can literally tear the gasket apart over time. That’s why surface finish is so important on today’s engines.

For bimetal engines with composition gaskets, the recommended surface finish is 20 to 50 RA. This compares to 60 to 120 RA for cast iron engines with the same type of gaskets.

Equally important is the design of the head gasket itself. One way gasket manufacturers deal with the scrubbing problem in bimetal engines is to add a nonstick coating to the gasket. Teflon, molybdenum and similar low friction coatings prevent gaskets from sticking to either surface. This allows the head to expand and contract without ripping the gasket apart.

This is the opposite approach to what is done with many head gaskets for cast iron engines. On these applications, the rate of thermal expansion for the head and block is the same so there is much less movement and scrubbing at the gasket surface. Raised silicone, Viton or fluoroelastomer sealing beads are often applied to the face of the gasket to increase the clamping pressure in critical areas. This improves the gasket’s ability to form a good cold seal when it is first installed, and helps it maintain that seal by holding the gasket firmly in place.

On many late-model engines, graphite head gaskets are used because graphite has natural lubricity that can handle the differences in expansion between aluminum heads and cast iron blocks. Graphite is a relatively soft material that provides good conformability for cold sealing the engine, and it can withstand high temperatures and draw heat away from hot spots to reduce thermal stress and loading.

Hot spots tend to form in areas where exhaust ports are located next to each other. Heat buildup in these areas makes the head swell. This can crush the gasket between the cylinder bores causing the gasket to leak and fail. To prevent this from happening, gasket manufacturers may use a gasket material such as graphite to dissipate heat away from the hot spot and/or reinforce the most highly stressed areas of the gasket with a shim so it won’t crush.

Head gasket durability can also be improved by using stronger or reinforced combustion armor, tougher, high temperature fibers such as aramid and Kevlar in composition gaskets, and adding extra reinforcements to critical oil hole grommets.

Multi-Layer Steel
An increasing number of OEMs have turned to "Multi-Layer Steel" (MLS) head gaskets to provide improved durability. MLS gaskets, which are found on Ford, Chrysler and many Japanese engines, typically have three to seven layers of steel. The outer layers are usually stainless spring steel and embossed. The inner layers provide added support and thickness. The embossed multi-layer construction reduces the load on the head bolts, which in turn reduces bore distortion for less blowby and lower emissions. The outer layers of steel are coated with a thin layer (.001" to .0015") of nitrile rubber or Viton to improve cold sealing.

MLS head gaskets are very durable because their solid steel construction retains torque very well and doesn’t take a compression set like composition gaskets. But the rigid nature of MLS gaskets also means they have very little conformability. That’s why MLS gaskets require an extremely smooth, flat surface finish on both mating surfaces (typically 20 to 30 RA or less).

Reproducing the kind of high quality surface finish needed to seal MLS gaskets requires up-to-date milling equipment and precision resurfacing techniques. Even then, it may be difficult to get a good cold seal on some of these engines. One alternative here is to install a conventional gasket (graphite or composition) that doesn’t require such a smooth finish - if such an alternative gasket is available for the application. Several gasket manufacturers have conventional replacement gaskets for the Ford 4.6L as well as other applications.

Aftermarket gasket manufacturers are also using MLS technology to introduce more durable replacement gaskets for certain "problem" engines that came originally equipped with conventional head gaskets. These include the 2.0L Dodge Neon engine and the Toyota 5VZFE 3.4L V6 truck engine. The aftermarket MLS replacement gaskets for both of these applications have a thicker surface coating and can handle a more traditional surface finish of 60 to 70 RA.

Installation Issues
Bill McKnight, head of Dana’s engine machine shop school, says fastener problems are probably the No. 1 cause of installation-related gasket failures.

"No gasket is going to seal well if somebody uses the wrong procedure to tighten the head bolts. There are a lot of people who keep on using the same old torque specs year after year because that’s they way they’ve always done it. But many tightening procedures and torque specifications have been revised, some several times. So don’t use an old manual that’s been sitting on the shelf for the past 10 years. Look up the latest procedures and specifications to make sure you’re doing it right. Good sources for this information are a current gasket installation book published by a gasket manufacturer, or reference specifications available through AERA or ALLDATA."

McKnight says to make sure head bolts are in good condition, free from nicks or corrosion and are not stretched. Torque-to-yield (TTY) head bolts should not be reused. Also, bolt threads should be clean and properly lubricated.

"Many people never check the accuracy of their torque wrenches. Beam and gauge type wrenches are less likely to get out of calibration than the adjustable dial type, but all torque wrenches should be checked for accuracy every year or two. Sending a wrench in to a tool supplier or lab to check its calibration may cost $25 to $35, but it’s a wise investment considering what it will cost you if a head gasket fails because the head bolts weren’t torqued accurately."

Improper surface finish is probably the second-most common reason for gasket failures, according to McKnight. This includes surfaces that are too rough and surfaces that are not flat.

Another installer error is using a sealer on a coated composition head gasket. "Some sealers will react with the gasket coating and turn it into goo. Our philosophy with Victor Reinz gaskets is if a gasket requires a sealer, we will include it with the gasket. If no sealer comes with the gasket, it doesn’t need any, and no sealer should be used.

"And never, never use a Scotchbrite abrasive pad to whiz off old gasket residue from a head or block. Abrasives can leave low spots on the surface that will prevent the head gasket from sealing," said McKnight.

Marty Novil of Corteco warns technicians not to tumble head bolts during the cleaning process because this can nick the threads, causing an increase in friction when the head bolts are tightened that will reduce the clamp load on the gasket. "You’ll think the bolts have been properly torqued but they won’t provide enough clamp load on the gasket, which can lead to leaks and premature failure."

Some general suggestions for head bolts include:

1. Inspect all head bolts to make sure they are in perfect condition with clean, undamaged threads. Dirty or damaged threads can give false torque readings as well as decrease a bolt’s clamping force by as much as 50%! Bolt threads should be wire brushed, then inspected. Replace any that are nicked, deformed or worn.
2. Dirty or deformed hole threads in the engine block can reduce clamping force the same as dirty or damaged threads on the bolts. Run a bottoming tap down each bolt hole in the block. The tops of the holes should be chamfered so the uppermost threads won’t pull above the deck surface when the bolts are tightened. Clean all of the holes to remove any debris.
3. Don’t reuse TTY head bolts. These bolts stretch slightly when installed, so there’s a risk of breakage if the bolts are reused. Some TTY applications include Ford Escort 1.6L and 1.9L engines, Chrysler 2.2L and 2.5L, and GM 1.8L, 2.0L and 2.5L fours, 3.0L V6 and 381 V8 diesel engines.
4. Check bolt lengths. Make sure the lengths are correct for each hole location (some holes require longer or shorter bolts than others). Bolts also should be measured or compared to one another to check for stretch. Any bolt that’s visibly longer than its companions should be replaced.
5. Use hardened steel washers under head bolts in aluminum heads to prevent galling and help distribute the load. Position the washers so their rounded or chamfered side faces up.
6. If the head has been resurfaced, check bolt lengths to make sure they don’t bottom out in blind holes. A bolt that bottoms out will apply little or no clamping force on the head, which may allow the gasket to leak. To compensate for resurfacing, you may have to install hardened steel washers under the bolts to raise them up, or use a head gasket shim to restore proper head height.
7. Lubricate bolt threads as well as the underside of the bolt head with 30 weight engine oil (not assembly lube or grease) when the engine is assembled. Use a flexible sealer on any bolt threads that extend into a cooling jacket.
8. If a gasket requires retorquing after initial installation, run the engine until it reaches normal operating temperature (usually 10 to 15 minutes), then shut it off. Retighten each head bolt in the same sequence as before while the engine is still warm. If the engine has an aluminum cylinder head or block, however, don’t retorque the head bolts until the engine has cooled back down to room temperature.

On some applications with retorque-style head gaskets, it may be necessary to retorque the head a third time after a specified time or mileage interval due to the design of the engine. Follow the vehicle manufacturer’s recommendations.

Operational Issues
Regardless of what type of head gasket is used or how carefully it is installed, some operating conditions can cause even the best head gasket to fail. Lee Palmquist of Federal-Mogul Sealing Sytems/Fel-Pro, says preignition/detonation is probably the most common cause of head gasket failures today.

If a cylinder head is being resurfaced, the amount of metal that’s removed should be kept to a minimum and should not exceed the limit recommended by the vehicle manufacturer. Milling a head increases compression and the risk of detonation. It also affects cam timing on OHC engines. One way to restore compression back to normal if a head has been milled excessively is to use a head gasket shim when installing a new head gasket.

The risk of detonation can also be minimized by making sure the ignition timing is right, the fuel mixture is correct and the cooling system has been properly filled and bled.

The second most common cause of head gasket failure, said Palmquist, is overheating. "The cooling system on many late model vehicles is just adequate, so over time it may not take much to cause the engine to run hot and stress the head gasket.

"If a head gasket has failed because of overheating, check the radiator, thermostat, water pump, cooling fan, EGR system and so on to determine why the engine got too hot. In some cases, the original radiator may have been recently replaced. Some aftermarket radiators don’t cool as efficiently as the original and may be overlooked as a possible cause of overheating," said Palmquist.

Hunter Betts of Enginetech also said that preignition/detonation and overheating are probably the most common causes of head gasket failure, but added poor surface finish as a contributing factor in many cases.

Aluminum cylinder heads that have exhaust valves next to each other such as the Chrysler 2.2L and Honda 1.3L and 1.5L, are vulnerable to localized overheating in the area between adjacent exhaust valves. This is typical of head designs that restrict or limit coolant flow and circulation in critical areas. Some engine blocks with siamesed cylinders also provide minimal cooling between the cylinder bores. Even engines like small block Chevy V8s that have adjacent exhaust valves in the two center cylinders can experience hot spots if the engine overheats or experiences preignition or detonation.

Some engines are prone to hot spots no matter what you do, so there’s no way to eliminate the hot spot. For these engines, an aftermarket gasket that’s been specially designed to solve the hot spot problem may be needed to prevent repeat failures.

For example, one aftermarket gasket manufacturer redesigned their Honda 1.3L and 1.5L gasket to eliminate hot spot failures by adding a special Y-shaped shim between the two center cylinders. The shim is pressed into the underlying gasket material to improve the gasket’s resistance to crushing.

Diagnosing Gasket Failures
Brian Owens of ROL Mfg. of America, says his company has published a wall chart that illustrates the most common causes of gasket failure, which are detonation, overheating and incorrect torque. The wall chart lists the causes of each along with recommended remedies.

One of the causes of overheating, for example, is a dirty cooling system. As little as 1/8" of calcium deposits in a radiator may reduce cooling efficiency by 40%. It’s also important to use the correct type of coolant and the proper mixture (50/50 is usually recommended for year-round driving).

Owens said ROL’s High Temperature (HT series) gaskets are a good solution for applications where a head gasket has failed due to detonation. The HT gaskets provide additional sealing strength through the use of stainless steel fire rings, "Pozi-Seal" beading and a graphite facing. The gaskets also will lower compression ratio slightly because they are slightly thicker than a stock gasket.

If you would like to obtain a copy of the wall chart, call 800-810-4067.

Figuring out why a head gasket failed is the first step to preventing repeat failures. Sometimes the cause is obvious and sometimes it isn’t.

A head gasket that failed because of overheating or a hot spot will be crushed and measurably thinner in the damaged area when checked with a micrometer. By comparison, a gasket that has failed due to detonation or preignition will usually have cracked armor around the combustion chamber, which leads to burn-through.

The corresponding surface areas on both the head and engine deck where the gasket failed should be inspected for damage (erosion, pitting or cracks) as well as flatness. If either surface is damaged or is not flat, the head and/or engine block must be resurfaced, otherwise the new head gasket may not seal properly.

While the head is off the engine, check the flatness of both the head and block. Use a straight edge and feeler gauges to check all critical areas - especially those between the cylinders. Flatness specifications vary depending on the application, but on most pushrod engines with cast iron heads, up to .003". (0.076mm) out-of-flat lengthwise in V6 heads, .004" (0.102mm) in four cylinder or V8 heads, and .006" (0.152mm) in straight six cylinder heads is considered acceptable. Aluminum heads, on the other hand, should have no more than .002" (.05mm) out-of-flat in any direction.

Common Causes of Preignition/Detonation

* Overheating (cooling problem)
* Inoperative EGR system
* Too much compression (milled head, overbored block, etc.)
* Carbon buildup in combustion chambers or on pistons
* Low octane fuel (cheap gas)
* Over advanced ignition timing
* Defective knock sensor
* Wrong spark plugs (heat range too hot for application)
* Lean air/fuel mixture (vacuum leaks, dirty injectors, etc.)
* Sharp edges in combustion chamber

Common Causes of Overheating

* Defective cooling fan
* Slipping fan clutch
* Slipping fan belt
* Low coolant level or coolant leak
* Air in cooling system
* Defective thermostat
* Defective radiator cap (can’t hold pressure)
* Clogged or obstructed radiator
* Radiator capacity inadequate for application
* Exhaust restriction (clogged converter)
* Missing fan shroud
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damn, looks like im gonna have to get me a fan shroud...
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I know more about head gaskets than ever before. Thanks.

My only experience doing head gaskets was on a '95 Sunflower, er Sunfire, and I don't even know if it had torque to yield head bolts or not. I do know it's critical to follow the manufacturer's specifications and directions on torque specs and pattern. I missed a step after it said torque to a certain level, it added that you had to go an extra half turn. I left that half turn out and got blowback in the cooling system. Torqued them down that extra half turn and no problems.
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Thanks for the great info!! A lot of my questions are now answered. However can anyone comment on my question about the diff vacume lines being disconnected ( diff in 2hi) and it's possible effect on ignition timing?
Thanks again
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Originally Posted by Bill 23
Thanks for the great info!! A lot of my questions are now answered. However can anyone comment on my question about the diff vacume lines being disconnected ( diff in 2hi) and it's possible effect on ignition timing?
Thanks again
Any vac line disconnected will cause a vac leak and would cause a problem with the air/fuel ratio.
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Thanks Dale! I shall investigate
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Yep, that would cause a lean burn condition. Depending on which hose was disconnected as to the extent of the lean.
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Both hoses to frt diff actuator.
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Originally Posted by Bill 23
Both hoses to frt diff actuator.
ANY vac line
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Thanks again Dale.
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Originally Posted by Bill 23
Thanks again Dale.
Just plug the end of any disconnected vac line. Should see things go back to normal pretty soon, disconnect the battery cable for about 15 min and it will reset the ECU memory of the bad air/fuel ratio trims and get it back to normal quicker.

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New head just arrived so will be a day or two till I can begin investigations.
Thanks again Dale , joining this forum is very enlightening
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Originally Posted by Bill 23
New head just arrived so will be a day or two till I can begin investigations.
Thanks again Dale , joining this forum is very enlightening
I know! I've learned more in 4 years on this forum than I could in 100 years on my own....it's great to have all these man-years of experience available!
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