Notices
86-95 Trucks & 4Runners 2nd/3rd gen pickups, and 1st/2nd gen 4Runners with IFS
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: DashLynx

IFS question

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11-09-2009, 01:24 PM
  #1  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
toytoyfreak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada!
Posts: 77
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
IFS question

My 2nd gen 4runner has IFS. after putting my lockers in i want a lift but they say i shouldnt. they say that IFS works best with no lift! what can i can do for a lift I have 33" 12.50" so i really need a lift! if its not the best idea... what is? coilover conversion?????


Thxs in advance!
Old 11-09-2009, 01:28 PM
  #2  
Contributing Member
 
AxleIke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Arvada, Colorado
Posts: 5,464
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts
"They"?

I'd do a balljoint spacer lift and pound the pinch weld if you really want to run a 12.5.

Otherwise, keep it low and run a 33x10.5.

Lots of threads in this forum to give you ideas on lifts for both the front and rear.
Old 11-09-2009, 01:34 PM
  #3  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
toytoyfreak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada!
Posts: 77
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
They meaning the forums! whats the pinch weld? where is it?
Old 11-09-2009, 01:37 PM
  #4  
Registered User
 
blueyota38's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 187
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It dont matter man just put a lift on it. it dont hurt anything and if anything my lift gives me more travel and such. The only thing i wouldnt suggest doing is going with any bigger tire than the 33 12.5, after that it starts to wear and tear on the IFS system. But yeah i would recomend a lift. Mix of BJ spacer and lift kit.
Old 11-09-2009, 01:39 PM
  #5  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
toytoyfreak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada!
Posts: 77
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Sweet what do u have on yours??
Old 11-09-2009, 01:41 PM
  #6  
tc
Contributing Member
 
tc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Longmont, CO
Posts: 8,875
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
First, a mild suspension lift won't do much for truly increasing your ability to run bigger tires - the bumpstops are still in the same place!

I would recommend a body lift. 1" or 2" would provide a lot more room for the tires without altering the steering geometry and creating problems.

The other option would be to beat/cut everything that's in the way until, well, it's not anymore.

As AxleIke said, going to a 33x10.50 solves this problem too.
Old 11-09-2009, 01:47 PM
  #7  
Registered User
 
blueyota38's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 187
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I have just a rough country 4.5in lift (recently found out.) and it seems to do fine. The only thing i would not do is mess with the torsion bar cause that stifins up the front end alot. I am planning to get to atleast a 6in lift by getting 2in bj spacers and lift shackles in the back. But my system is rugged dont get me wrong but great offroad/onroad mix.
Old 11-09-2009, 01:49 PM
  #8  
User Requested Ban
 
theAuthority's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Lynnwood, WA
Posts: 1,660
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
i'd listen to TC first and foremost.

He's done a lot in an IFS I haven't done in my heavily modified SFA
Old 11-09-2009, 01:55 PM
  #9  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
toytoyfreak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada!
Posts: 77
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
nice! sweet set-up!
Old 11-09-2009, 02:16 PM
  #10  
Registered User
 
peow130's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Spokane, WA
Posts: 3,887
Likes: 0
Received 16 Likes on 15 Posts
blue yota, a bracket lift alone won't increase travel at all..
All you're doing is moving the suspension lower by 4 inches lol.
Old 11-09-2009, 02:18 PM
  #11  
Registered User
 
[N8]'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Lancaster, PA
Posts: 252
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Or you could cut & pound @ stock height and stuff 35's

Old 11-09-2009, 02:18 PM
  #12  
Registered User
 
toyNG's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Redlands, CA
Posts: 648
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
An IFS lift will alter suspension geometries and adversely affect ride comfort. As others have mentioned, a more reasonable option would be to run a 33x10.50 tire, which should fit with pinchweld hammering or a body lift.

I installed a 2" body lift in order to fit 33x10.50's without having to make any other adjustments or modifications. In addition, the body lift allowed me to place my sliders higher and get a Budbuilt with a 1" drivetrain lift.

I'll be the first to admit that 33x12.50 look better than 10.50, but to me, it wasn't worth the extra work and decreased MPG simply for the sake of aesthetics.
Old 11-09-2009, 02:40 PM
  #13  
Registered User
 
JamesD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Binghamton, NY
Posts: 2,074
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by [N8]
Or you could cut & pound @ stock height and stuff 35's

Or you could put a lift kit in it and you do not have to cut the fenders out:


Old 11-09-2009, 02:44 PM
  #14  
Registered User
 
JamesD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Binghamton, NY
Posts: 2,074
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by peow130
blue yota, a bracket lift alone won't increase travel at all..
All you're doing is moving the suspension lower by 4 inches lol.
That is incorrect. Bracket lifts do increase travel. It is basically a spacer type of a lift but when they made these, they incorporated taller overall spindle height compared to the drop of the lower control arm brackets. So if the lower control arm bracket was dropped 4" down, the spindle spacer is roughly an 1" taller that 4"(estimating).

James
Old 11-09-2009, 02:53 PM
  #15  
Registered User
 
peow130's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Spokane, WA
Posts: 3,887
Likes: 0
Received 16 Likes on 15 Posts
Originally Posted by JamesD
That is incorrect. Bracket lifts do increase travel. It is basically a spacer type of a lift but when they made these, they incorporated taller overall spindle height compared to the drop of the lower control arm brackets. So if the lower control arm bracket was dropped 4" down, the spindle spacer is roughly an 1" taller that 4"(estimating).

James
whoa whoa whoa..
i was under the assumption that your suspension geometry stayed the same, just got moved down 4 inches..
Old 11-09-2009, 03:00 PM
  #16  
Registered User
 
JamesD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Binghamton, NY
Posts: 2,074
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by peow130
whoa whoa whoa..
i was under the assumption that your suspension geometry stayed the same, just got moved down 4 inches..
It does stay basically the same. The best way to describe it is it acts like a BJ spacer.
Old 11-09-2009, 03:07 PM
  #17  
Registered User
 
Lumpy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Just North of Pittsburgh
Posts: 6,086
Received 17 Likes on 10 Posts
Won't BJ Spacers increase your travel? I was under that assumption, I have yet to install them soon on the list.
Old 11-09-2009, 03:13 PM
  #18  
Registered User
 
JamesD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Binghamton, NY
Posts: 2,074
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally Posted by Lumpy
Won't BJ Spacers increase your travel? I was under that assumption, I have yet to install them soon on the list.
Yes they do but not by much.

James
Old 11-09-2009, 04:54 PM
  #19  
Registered User
 
Matt16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 5,377
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Originally Posted by JamesD
Yes they do but not by much.

James
That's not quite true. The flex gain is significant relative the the stock flex. Measure spacers, then install the spacers, then relax the t bars so that the height is that same as stock. Flattens out the angle of the A-arms so that they can exert the most force on the t bars.

This is the best flexing, most durable method of adding BJ spacers. If it were my truck, I'd get out my hammer, a grinder and some undercoating material and just smack away until the tires fit..
Old 11-10-2009, 05:41 AM
  #20  
Registered User
 
[N8]'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Lancaster, PA
Posts: 252
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by matt16
...if it were my truck, i'd get out my hammer, a grinder and some undercoating material and just smack away until the tires fit..
agreed
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
delmert
84-85 Trucks & 4Runners
11
09-30-2015 04:34 PM
88sasturbotoy
Axles - Suspensions - Tires - Wheels
2
08-11-2015 01:56 AM
Gevo
86-95 Trucks & 4Runners
6
07-29-2015 11:15 AM
coffey50
Offroad Tech
17
07-28-2015 10:55 AM
scottyg486
Offroad Tech
3
07-19-2015 05:34 PM



Quick Reply: IFS question



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 12:02 AM.