22re starter problem..flex plate backwards??
03-25-2010, 06:06 AM
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22re starter problem..flex plate backwards??
I am almost finished putting my freshened up 22re back into my 86 4runner w/ auto trans when I noticed a problem. Yes I have spent the last 1-1/2 hours searching but could not find an answer. I was turning the crank pulley manually with a socket to TDC to put my distributor back in & noticed a noise that reminded me of gears meshing together. I pretty quickly tracked it down to the starter. It is obvious that when I am turning the motor, the starter bendix is engaged with the flex plate?? I am wondering what the chance is that I put the flex plate on backwards? Is it even possible? If it was backwards would it make a difference? I really don't want to pull the trans out to see. I guess my next step will be to go ahead & hook up the battery & see how it turns over. Somebody please tell me that it could be something else.
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03-25-2010, 06:16 AM
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Is it possible that once I hook up the battery that the bendix will jump back in? Also you can see my pics & other info about the motor in my build, linked in my sig.
03-25-2010, 07:22 AM
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has anyone ever had to shim one of these starters? It doesn't make since to me because it wasn't rubbing before I pulled the motor so why would in now?
03-25-2010, 09:52 AM
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I don't think you can put them on backwards... And there is a metal disc or shim and I can't remember if that goes on 1st or after the flex plate is on the crank...
It's been a while since I done an AT.
If you don't put a small enough (profile) bolt that holds the dust cover on between the engine and tranny, I know a fly wheel can rub on it and it sounds about like that.
The bendix moves quite a bit... So thinking the flex plate is far enough back to get it in the teeth to turn the starter is a bit of a stretch to me.
And a week battery sometimes won't pull it back in. Turn the engine reverse from the way it runs and see if you can hear it click back in.
It's been a while since I done an AT.
If you don't put a small enough (profile) bolt that holds the dust cover on between the engine and tranny, I know a fly wheel can rub on it and it sounds about like that.
The bendix moves quite a bit... So thinking the flex plate is far enough back to get it in the teeth to turn the starter is a bit of a stretch to me.
And a week battery sometimes won't pull it back in. Turn the engine reverse from the way it runs and see if you can hear it click back in.
03-25-2010, 09:56 AM
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and why is this in newbie tech section?
There isn't another page with some other small obscure link to some other section in another sub forum on here specifically for the 22RE?
What's wrong with coping Mud's "79-95 tech"? Evey truck, every type of member in one place...
There isn't another page with some other small obscure link to some other section in another sub forum on here specifically for the 22RE?
What's wrong with coping Mud's "79-95 tech"? Evey truck, every type of member in one place...
03-25-2010, 10:02 AM
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I don't think you can put them on backwards... And there is a metal disc or shim and I can't remember if that goes on 1st or after the flex plate is on the crank...
It's been a while since I done an AT.
If you don't put a small enough (profile) bolt that holds the dust cover on between the engine and tranny, I know a fly wheel can rub on it and it sounds about like that.
The bendix moves quite a bit... So thinking the flex plate is far enough back to get it in the teeth to turn the starter is a bit of a stretch to me.
And a week battery sometimes won't pull it back in. Turn the engine reverse from the way it runs and see if you can hear it click back in.
It's been a while since I done an AT.
If you don't put a small enough (profile) bolt that holds the dust cover on between the engine and tranny, I know a fly wheel can rub on it and it sounds about like that.
The bendix moves quite a bit... So thinking the flex plate is far enough back to get it in the teeth to turn the starter is a bit of a stretch to me.
And a week battery sometimes won't pull it back in. Turn the engine reverse from the way it runs and see if you can hear it click back in.
03-25-2010, 10:03 AM
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and why is this in newbie tech section?
There isn't another page with some other small obscure link to some other section in another sub forum on here specifically for the 22RE?
What's wrong with coping Mud's "79-95 tech"? Evey truck, every type of member in one place...
There isn't another page with some other small obscure link to some other section in another sub forum on here specifically for the 22RE?
What's wrong with coping Mud's "79-95 tech"? Evey truck, every type of member in one place...
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03-25-2010, 11:35 AM
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Also feel better knowing that the flex plate is prob not the problem, I really don't want to have to go back in to turn it around.
03-25-2010, 11:42 AM
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I went home on my lunch & messed with it some more. I loosened the starter bolts again & wiggled the starter around & tried to pry it away from the flex plate some. Now when I turn the motor over with my socket on the crank pulley the starter only contacts the flex plate for about 1/2 of a rotation like the flex plate is not centered. Not sure what to do about that.
03-25-2010, 12:00 PM
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FALSE ALARM!!!!!!!!! Those are torque converter bolts....
DISREGARD
HA!!!!
I think I got it!
Of all the flexplate bolts ONLY ONE is different. It has a cone shape close to the head. It goes in 1st for a reason. To center the flexplate for the rest of the bolts.
If that's not done it's logical it can cause the problems you're now encountering.
DISREGARD
HA!!!!
I think I got it!
Of all the flexplate bolts ONLY ONE is different. It has a cone shape close to the head. It goes in 1st for a reason. To center the flexplate for the rest of the bolts.
If that's not done it's logical it can cause the problems you're now encountering.
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03-25-2010, 12:13 PM
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I think I got it!
Of all the flexplate bolts ONLY ONE is different. It has a cone shape close to the head. It goes in 1st for a reason. To center the flexplate for the rest of the bolts.
If that's not done it's logical it can cause the problems you're now encountering.
Now how do I fix it? I have to pull the trans out I guess??? That really sucks but you are prob right. It seems to me that the flex plate is out of center somehow.
Last edited by yotarob2005; 03-25-2010 at 12:37 PM.
03-25-2010, 12:35 PM
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Thanks for all of your help, I wish I could buy you & 92 TOY lunch or something, LOL. I'm not seeing the "edit" you are talking about. We are talking about the 6 bolts that hold the flexplate onto the back of the motor right? Is there another way to get to them without pulling the transmission?
03-25-2010, 01:18 PM
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Don't be sorry, at least you are not the idiot that didn't pay attention to the flex plate bolts & now has to pull his transmission. I just called in the calvary & we are meeting up at my place as soon as I get off work to start pulling that tranny. Thanks for all the help guys.
