hollandhunter

I have always owned 22rs but recently bought a truck with a v6 in it. Im sure it has been brought up but I was just wondering are the any comparision to the 22r engines? or not? How many miles if tooken care of are they expected to get.

ridewrapper

I have the V6 167, 000 on mine and daily drive it 90 miles a day. I wheel it on the weekends and its fine. It does burn a little oil but nothing a weekly check of the dipstick doesn't take care of. It is thirsty but it is more fun offroad than my 22re's were. I'd opt for another v6 again. People knock them but I like mine. I have a 95 4runnerit seems to go and go and go. I do keep the maintenance up fairly well though. It does take away from my upgrade money but as always business before pleasure... right?

highonpottery

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seems hit or miss but can definitely be reliable, just definitely not nearly as reliable as the old tractor motor 22re or the 3.4L v6 that replaced the 3slow. topic has been asked many times and i'm sure with some searching you'll find comparisons regarding exact downfalls for each. as long as you maintain your junk you should be ok. i do know that the 3slow is quite easily replaced (like almost literally direct swap with hardly any extra work) with the 3.4L these days...

RSR

22re: 112 hp, 142 lb-ft torque
3vze: 150hp, 180 lb-ft torque

3vze has 33% more hp and 27% more torque.

My take is that for a standard running about truck with factory setup, the 22re is great. But the second you add bigger tires, decide to tow, or have a 4runner with all that extra body, the extra hp of the 3vze is great to have.



Both engines can be upgraded with aftermarket cams, heads, headers, exhaust, intakes, etc, for add'l performance. Neither engine is a rocket, but the 3vze definitely has more seat of the pants power and can hold highway speeds well into the upper 70s where the 22re struggles.

And both engines can be swapped for newer iterations as well fairly easily. 3.0 3vze to 3.4 5vzfe. And 22re to 2rzfe or 3rzfe.

Go w/ the 22re if you're wanting to swap for a toyota diesel.

I am happy w/ my pretty standard 3.0. I wouldn't be with a 22re. 22re's have their share of issues that often get overlooked for 3.0s head gasket and heat issues (both of which are largely corrected with the crossover delete).

RSR

*And IMO the 22r is what gives the 22 series of engine their claim to fame, not the 22re, which is more issue prone -- timing belt, etc.

Which leads to 22res being interference engines (if your timing chain stretches or breaks your engine can self destruct) whereas the 3ve is a non-interference engine which won't...

RSR

Sorry for the extra posts, but thinking futher, the trannys and other driveline components are more robust on the 3vzes as well. Much like the 4x4s suspension components being more robust than 2wd trucks.

ridewrapper

Have you taken the truck out much? The more you take it out either to drive or to 4x in you'll appreciate the difference in power. Either way you look at it the 22r and 3vze are antiquated. Both have tons of parts to fix em and are both relatively cheap part engines. Treat the old girl right and the old girl will keep you happy.

bone collector

I have owned both, I would take the 3.0 any day of the week. I love my 3.GO great highway manners, fantastic low end grunt for off road and beefy drivetrain. I wheel my truck about once a month and it climbs great, and has plenty of gearing to go anywhere. Oh and I get about 17 mpgs...... with mostly city driving

Gamefreakgc

It totally depends on what you want out of it. I love my 3.0, but it is old. However, it's also my DD so having the extra power to drive confidently on the highways or up in the mountains is important for me. The head gasket issue is applicable to both engine types, not sure why the 3.0 gets the bad reputation.

Others love their 22's because they are simple engines and have enough power to drive around and have some fun wheeling if they want. However, for both we're talking about 20-25 year old engines. These are Toyota's first try at fuel injected trucks and they have lots of room for improvement. Which is why this forum is so active... we're always looking and finding new ways to improve them!

nieb15

My 3vze has over 210,000 miles now and is still going strong. Plenty of power, doesn't use oil, good gas mileage (20+ average). Never had any issue (head gasket was replaced by dealership). It can hold me well at freeway speeds (80 is easy to maintain). When I had the opportunity I have also maxed out the speedo so I'm not complaining about power. It stays cool even on the hottest summer days.

The engine bay is a bit cramped and makes it somewhat hard to work on the engine, but I've worked on much worse engine bays.

If I had to swap engines I might go for the 3.4 for cost, but I'd really like to find a turbo diesel more.

RSR

I too prefer diesels due to the specs of the fuel, diesel engines, and that through mechanical processes, diesel engines can match modern electric engines in performance. That said, the modern toyota diesel that gets swapped into our trucks, the 1KZ-TE, has only marginal gains over the 3.0 and is on par with the newer generation 3.4L in power/performance specs.

4 cylinder diesel:
-1KZ-TE (turbo), 3.0 L (2982 cc), 130 hp & 211 lb-ft torque
--1KZ-TE (turbo w/ intercooler): 145 hp & 253 lb-ft torque

V6 gas:
-3VZE V6, 3.0L (2958 cc), 150 hp & 180 lb-ft torque
-5VZ-FE V6, 3.4 L (3378 cc), 190 hp & 220 lb-ft torque
--5VZ-FE (w/ supercharger), 254 hp & 270 lb-ft torque

Also should be mentioned that the first generation V6, our 3vze, (as I understand it) was largely a marketing ploy to increase American market shares... The 3vze replaced the 22rte (turbo-ed 22RE) that had 135 hp and 173 lb-ft torque. (Note that LC Engineering sells turbos for the 22RE and that with performance cams, headers, etc, you can probably get a 22 RE at stock 3.0 numbers; however, the supercharged 3.4L 5vzfe is one of the most powerful engines that can fit in our trucks' engine bays and is also a straight forward swap that costs only marginally more than rebuilding your 3vze -- well, to be fair the straight 5vzfe swap is marginally more, the new superchargers are $2.5k to $3k in and of themselves... But a 1kzte swap is at $11.5 to $12.5k in parts according to Diesel Toys and $8k in labor, so even supercharged a 3.4 swap is about 1/4 to 1/3 the cost of going diesel -- and that buys a heck of a lot of gas and/or repairs [and parts for 3.4 repairs are available domestically instead of having to order from the UK or Australia with the diesels]).
And that's why the 3vze is cramped in the engine bay. Our trucks were designed to host 4 cylinder engines with the diesels and gasoline largely just swapping auxiliary components to opposite sides of the engine bay...