1986 Runner Trans question
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1986 Runner Trans question
Hello gentlemen. I have been looking for a 1st Gen Runner for about 6 months and I think I have found the right truck, except the transmission. The current owner says that it slips over 3000 rpm. It is a 22re with auto trans.
Can anyone recommend an auto rebuild kit that a transmission novice can install?
Would it be worth it just to have a pro do it instead? Any idea of an average rebuild cost for these?
Can anyone recommend an auto rebuild kit that a transmission novice can install?
Would it be worth it just to have a pro do it instead? Any idea of an average rebuild cost for these?
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I would like to have a 5speed. I'm sure it's been covered numerous times in this forum. When I have a few hours at home I'll do a search and see how complex it is. It should be a basic bolt on change with a toyota 5 speed correct?
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you also have to keep in mind that your going to need a flywheel, clutch, clutch hydraulic lines/slave cylinder, clutch master cylinder, install a clutch pedal, ect ect
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Rebuilding either transmission, auto or stick, requires tools that the average mechanic won't have in the garage, nor would a novice even likely want to buy.
Even converting from auto to stick isn't really for the faint of heart. Not that it's that difficult, just involved- like knobs said: you'll need the flywheel, clutch, hydraulics, clutch pedal....
I'd guess around 1800 to remove/rebuild/replace the auto trans in the 86... but don't quote me.
You'd probably be in around $400 for a used w56a/b transmission & transfer case (add another 600 or so to rebuild the gear box and 250 to rebuild the xfer case, if necessary, give or take), then 200-300 for the clutch/pressure plate/flywheel, another 250 for the clutch pedal bracket/master/slave cylinders and plumbing, so around $1000 (up to 1800 or so if you rebuild the gearbox/xfer case) for parts, then more for install. AND even then, you'd prolly have to re-gear the front/rear axles for a more appropriate ratio for the stick, so add another 400-600 or so for that, maybe a little less if you can find someone parting out a vehicle.
Even converting from auto to stick isn't really for the faint of heart. Not that it's that difficult, just involved- like knobs said: you'll need the flywheel, clutch, hydraulics, clutch pedal....
I'd guess around 1800 to remove/rebuild/replace the auto trans in the 86... but don't quote me.
You'd probably be in around $400 for a used w56a/b transmission & transfer case (add another 600 or so to rebuild the gear box and 250 to rebuild the xfer case, if necessary, give or take), then 200-300 for the clutch/pressure plate/flywheel, another 250 for the clutch pedal bracket/master/slave cylinders and plumbing, so around $1000 (up to 1800 or so if you rebuild the gearbox/xfer case) for parts, then more for install. AND even then, you'd prolly have to re-gear the front/rear axles for a more appropriate ratio for the stick, so add another 400-600 or so for that, maybe a little less if you can find someone parting out a vehicle.
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Rebuilding either transmission, auto or stick, requires tools that the average mechanic won't have in the garage, nor would a novice even likely want to buy.
Even converting from auto to stick isn't really for the faint of heart. Not that it's that difficult, just involved- like knobs said: you'll need the flywheel, clutch, hydraulics, clutch pedal....
I'd guess around 1800 to remove/rebuild/replace the auto trans in the 86... but don't quote me.
You'd probably be in around $400 for a used w56a/b transmission & transfer case (add another 600 or so to rebuild the gear box and 250 to rebuild the xfer case, if necessary, give or take), then 200-300 for the clutch/pressure plate/flywheel, another 250 for the clutch pedal bracket/master/slave cylinders and plumbing, so around $1000 (up to 1800 or so if you rebuild the gearbox/xfer case) for parts, then more for install. AND even then, you'd prolly have to re-gear the front/rear axles for a more appropriate ratio for the stick, so add another 400-600 or so for that, maybe a little less if you can find someone parting out a vehicle.
Even converting from auto to stick isn't really for the faint of heart. Not that it's that difficult, just involved- like knobs said: you'll need the flywheel, clutch, hydraulics, clutch pedal....
I'd guess around 1800 to remove/rebuild/replace the auto trans in the 86... but don't quote me.
You'd probably be in around $400 for a used w56a/b transmission & transfer case (add another 600 or so to rebuild the gear box and 250 to rebuild the xfer case, if necessary, give or take), then 200-300 for the clutch/pressure plate/flywheel, another 250 for the clutch pedal bracket/master/slave cylinders and plumbing, so around $1000 (up to 1800 or so if you rebuild the gearbox/xfer case) for parts, then more for install. AND even then, you'd prolly have to re-gear the front/rear axles for a more appropriate ratio for the stick, so add another 400-600 or so for that, maybe a little less if you can find someone parting out a vehicle.
Thank you all for your input. I'm sure I'll be asking for more later.
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Before I started searching this site I had a list of about half of the parts you have listed. Honestly a swap seems like more work than I would like to do and more wrenching than I am comfortable doing. If I wind up with this truck it looks like I'll be pulling the auto out and taking it to a pro for the rebuild work. While it's out it will give me some time to address other things under the truck. I'm going into this with the assumption that regular weekend shade tree work has not been done on it.
Thank you all for your input. I'm sure I'll be asking for more later.
Thank you all for your input. I'm sure I'll be asking for more later.
Since it seems you're looking at over 1000 for just rebuilding the automatic transmission, a whole but otherwise undrivable vehicle with a usable trans would probably cost you less. And then you'd have time to rebuild a trans, sell parts off the other vehicle, and could probably end up making a profit. This is, of course, if you have the money, room, and time to deal with it.
Just a thought.
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Another thought may be finding a used auto at a wrecker (low miles of course) or a complete vehicle you can scavage parts from.
Since it seems you're looking at over 1000 for just rebuilding the automatic transmission, a whole but otherwise undrivable vehicle with a usable trans would probably cost you less. And then you'd have time to rebuild a trans, sell parts off the other vehicle, and could probably end up making a profit. This is, of course, if you have the money, room, and time to deal with it.
Just a thought.
Since it seems you're looking at over 1000 for just rebuilding the automatic transmission, a whole but otherwise undrivable vehicle with a usable trans would probably cost you less. And then you'd have time to rebuild a trans, sell parts off the other vehicle, and could probably end up making a profit. This is, of course, if you have the money, room, and time to deal with it.
Just a thought.
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If you find a shop rebuilding A340s for $400, turn around and run. You can find a working used trans from a junkyard or local ads for $300-500.
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$1-2k depending on the shop.
Forewarned though: one area you can have issues is that if you remove the trans and take it to a shop, all they can do is replace parts they "think" need replaced. If they have the vehicle and can do various tests on it, such as fluid pressure at solenoids and other places in the valve body, before pulling and rebuilding, they may find failing parts that need replaced but wouldn't get replaced otherwise.
Catch-22.
Like I said, the rebuilder replaces only the bare minimum (clutch packs, bands) but you install the trans only to find the planetaries, pump and more needs replaced. So, out comes the trans again....
You're not in an easy chair with simple choices to make, and I sympathize.
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So this is how I see it. I spend 2kish on the truck. Another 2k on the trans and other small items associated with it. I'm out 4k and a couple of weeks with it in the shop.
But, I would one major part of the truck that I won't have to worry about for years to come. This will be a second car for me to be played with and driven in snow, so the down time is not a big deal. But, my sub 1k trans fix is blown out of the water for sure.
Or, I can keep hunting and spend 4k on a truck in running condition with a 5 speed if I can find one not rotted out.
I'm going to look at it this weekend. If it's in good shape otherwise it might be worth it.
But, I would one major part of the truck that I won't have to worry about for years to come. This will be a second car for me to be played with and driven in snow, so the down time is not a big deal. But, my sub 1k trans fix is blown out of the water for sure.
Or, I can keep hunting and spend 4k on a truck in running condition with a 5 speed if I can find one not rotted out.
I'm going to look at it this weekend. If it's in good shape otherwise it might be worth it.
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My only issue with a used trans is not knowing what shape it's in. But, with the truck as cheap as it is it's probably worth the gamble. I think this is the way to go if I get that truck.
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