Networking two computers, XP pro and Win98

phorunninduke · 07-05-2004, 08:24 PM

Basically I just wana share the cable modem access, but if i can also swap files and stuff that would rock. What do i need, just a router? Sites that can walk through set up and stuff might help.
Thanks

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ahriman · 07-05-2004, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phorunninduke

Basically I just wana share the cable modem access, but if i can also swap files and stuff that would rock. What do i need, just a router? Sites that can walk through set up and stuff might help.
Thanks

yep, basically all you need is a router. the manufacturer instructions will walk you through it, and they are straightforward. good consumer-grade routers are netgear or linksys.

ilion · 07-05-2004, 09:39 PM

Now please don't flame me for this, because I'm quite serious;

Apple will soon release it's Rendezvous zero config network system for Win XP, 2000, as well as Linux, Solaris, etc.

I've used this system to create a mini-network wirelessly between my gf's Quicksilver and my PB.

While it won't help for Win 98, it'll help in other situations. Especially as a stopgap filesharing program in a pinch.

Plaintalking explanation...

Apple's site for Rendezvous...

Might be worth a gander for some of you Redmond lovers.

***Corey*** · 07-06-2004, 02:46 AM

Pick up the new CPU mag that just came out for this month.
Lots of good info in there on wired and wireless routers and networking.

I run a Toshiba cable modem, Netgear 614 "wired" router, and I share files across my home network which is my main PC, my old one, and a laptop.

All have 'Net access from the router which assigns them their own "hidden" IP address.

Only one IP addy shows up to the 'Net, the one which is assigned from my ISP.

MTL_4runner · 07-06-2004, 08:29 AM

I run a Linksys BEFSX41 which is a "wired" gateway router and does exactly what you are trying to do. They are quite common now and can be had for a good price as well.

If you go wireless, be sure to get a 2.4 Ghz unit....I didn't have much luck with anything less than that when I tried my hands at wireless tech. Below that frequency the transmission levels stunk and reception wasn't too hot either.

rwmorrisonjr · 07-06-2004, 09:38 AM

Just did the same thing with our PC's, tried to network our cable connection but it kept failing or was very slow. Replaced my Netgear WGR614v4 with a Linksys WTG54R and it works perfectly now, no dropping or other issues.

phorunninduke · 07-06-2004, 04:11 PM

I went out and got a netgear router. I went through the set up and everything works as it should, except i can not get web access. The router set up has all the modem info correct but i can not get online. Cable modem shows that it is online and has activity. The router shows that both computers are connected and it has activity. My main computer shows the router and modem, but the second dosent. Neither can get online or see eachother. I have gone through all the web help, and documentation and tried everything in them. I just cant sit on hold for three hours to talk to someone who probably speaks english as a secong language.

WT · 07-06-2004, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by phorunninduke

I went out and got a netgear router. I went through the set up and everything works as it should, except i can not get web access. The router set up has all the modem info correct but i can not get online. Cable modem shows that it is online and has activity. The router shows that both computers are connected and it has activity. My main computer shows the router and modem, but the second dosent. Neither can get online or see eachother. I have gone through all the web help, and documentation and tried everything in them. I just cant sit on hold for three hours to talk to someone who probably speaks english as a secong language.

First thing I would suggest is to make sure your getting a IP from the new router, this should also show you the DNS and Gateway informaton of your router and what it is getting from your ISP
Goto Start button then Run type in "CMD" this will load a dos prompt window in that type "ipconfig /all" that should get us started on were to go next perhaps.The PC not seeing each other could be something else so one thing at a time get them both so they are able to surf then come back to the PC's not seeing one another thing after.

Good Luck

phorunninduke · 07-06-2004, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WT

First thing I would suggest is to make sure your getting a IP from the new router, this should also show you the DNS and Gateway informaton of your router and what it is getting from your ISP
Goto Start button then Run type in "CMD" this will load a dos prompt window in that type "ipconfig /all" that should get us started on were to go next perhaps.The PC not seeing each other could be something else so one thing at a time get them both so they are able to surf then come back to the PC's not seeing one another thing after.

Good Luck

Thanks, I did try the config/ all and it all matched what the router found>?

WT · 07-07-2004, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by phorunninduke

Thanks, I did try the config/ all and it all matched what the router found>?

Were your 2 PC getting different IP addresses like 192.168.1.100 or 101 and what not ? Did you get out on the internet yet ?? the gateway should be the routers address like 192.168.1.1 but I'm not sure if thats what the netgear uses off the top of my head..
Can you get into the router and tell if it got an IP address from your ISP ?

Highland Runner · 07-07-2004, 11:49 AM

I just set up a similar system up at work. Two computers, each with a different printer, file sharing, one network connection. We had a problem like you explain except only one computer could get on the net, while both could share files. To fix it we went into the network connections (on the computer that dialed the network provider), right click the dial up connection, go under advanced tab and click the box that says "allow other users to connect through this computers internet connection".

MTL_4runner · 07-08-2004, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WT

Were your 2 PC getting different IP addresses like 192.168.1.100 or 101 and what not ? Did you get out on the internet yet ?? the gateway should be the routers address like 191.168.1.1 but I'm not sure if thats what the netgear uses off the top of my head..
Can you get into the router and tell if it got an IP address from your ISP ?

Most of the routers I have seen use 192.168.1.1 as the router IP.

MvCrash · 07-08-2004, 02:02 PM

Greetings,
I would try this. Shut both computers. Shut down the cable modem and the cable router. Turn them on in this order, Cable Modem, Router, PC and then win98 (I would loose this OS quickly).
Once you bring the system up, try using an ip address of a known website. Put the IP address in the web browser and see if connect. If not, you have no connectivity if you do connect you have a DNS resolution problem which causes alot of problems on smaller nets.
There are a ton of settings that could be affecting this and it will have to worked out one at a time.
Keep posting

phorunninduke · 07-08-2004, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MvCrash

Greetings,
I would try this. Shut both computers. Shut down the cable modem and the cable router. Turn them on in this order, Cable Modem, Router, PC and then win98 (I would loose this OS quickly).
Once you bring the system up, try using an ip address of a known website. Put the IP address in the web browser and see if connect. If not, you have no connectivity if you do connect you have a DNS resolution problem which causes alot of problems on smaller nets.
There are a ton of settings that could be affecting this and it will have to worked out one at a time.
Keep posting

followed directions to a T.. Which was basically what the sheet that came with the router said.. No connection.

phorunninduke · 07-08-2004, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phorunninduke

followed directions to a T.. Which was basically what the sheet that came with the router said.. No connection.

So i tried it again, and waited for the win xp computer to boot all the way up before turning on the 98 computer.. and its working. Now the win 98 computer can not get on line. i can not get it to bring up the router settings either. However the router has the light on saying that it is connected so some sort of communication is going on.

MvCrash · 07-08-2004, 05:25 PM

Cable has this weird thing they do that records the MAC address of the computer they are connected to. The routers that are used for cable do MAC address "SPOOFING" in that there is a place in the router config to type in the MAC address of the PC that was originally connected to the cable modem. They do this to prevent you from beating them outa five bucks per PC.
The router you have should have a place where you can tell it to use the MAC address from the orginal PC. Do the ipconfig /all again and record the MAC address of the adapter (NIC CARD) that makes the connection to the network looks like this on the output of the Ipconfig /all
Physical Address........................................... ...:00-07-E9-3D-EC-9E
This number is actually the Hexidecimal translation of you NIC cards ID number, its actually a 48 bit binary address, but you don't really care at this point.

Check this out and post again if it does not work.

Mvcrash

***Corey*** · 07-08-2004, 06:34 PM

One more thing...

With the Win 98 machine, type in your "Run" command from the start menu:
ipconfig

I think that is the command for Win 98.
XP does not have that function, but I got the same utility from Microsoft that is for Win 2000, and it's the same ap as 98, and it works with XP.
I'd rather use the GUI type ap than a command prompt.

Anyway, see if you have the IP for your 98 machine in there that starts with 192.
If it starts with I think 69, then you need to hit the button that says "show more" and then hit the "release all" then the "renew all" buttons.

If it renews and then starts with the 192 IP, you are very close to getting that rig online.

I am running the same setup.
XP on my fast rig, and Win 98 on the laptop and old PIII 500.
All work on the 'Net and share files as they should with my router.

I did not have to monkey with any settings on the page you enter into for the router adjustments.

phorunninduke · 07-08-2004, 11:09 PM

Allright guys, thanks for the help.. I ended up upgradding my win98 to xp pro and bam its all working. Now both computers are online, and they can see eachother but i cant share files. it says

you do not have permission to use this network resource. Contatct the admin. of this erver to fing out if you have acess permissions.

the network path was not found

WT · 07-09-2004, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phorunninduke

Allright guys, thanks for the help.. I ended up upgradding my win98 to xp pro and bam its all working. Now both computers are online, and they can see eachother but i cant share files. it says

you do not have permission to use this network resource. Contatct the admin. of this erver to fing out if you have acess permissions.

the network path was not found

You have to set sharing per folder with XP, Just goto Explorer and right click on a folder you want to share and click properties then the Sharing TAB, turn on sharing name it if you like and you should be all set

MvCrash · 07-09-2004, 02:48 PM

greetings,
You can set the sharing per disk also. I would not advise this since it gives anyone access to your files who gets into your network. I would also highly recommend that you install some type of softwarre firewall. I know the router does network address translation aka NAT, but it is easily defeated these days.

Mv

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rwmorrisonjr Contributing Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Home: Aurora, CO; Work: The People's Republic of Denver Posts: 1,992	Just did the same thing with our PC's, tried to network our cable connection but it kept failing or was very slow. Replaced my Netgear WGR614v4 with a Linksys WTG54R and it works perfectly now, no dropping or other issues. __________________ DD: 2006 Jeep Commander Sport 4.7l Trail rig: 1984 BII, 2.8, MSD 6A & Blaster 2 coil, Holley 2300, C5, OEM 1350, 7.5 & D28 with 4.56s, 33x12.50 BFG AT KOs on 15x8 black steelies, new "jeep" seats. Ugly but it runs and its paid for! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."- Robert A. Heinlein

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07-05-2004, 09:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
ilion Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tustin, Ca. Posts: 306	Now please don't flame me for this, because I'm quite serious; Apple will soon release it's Rendezvous zero config network system for Win XP, 2000, as well as Linux, Solaris, etc. I've used this system to create a mini-network wirelessly between my gf's Quicksilver and my PB. While it won't help for Win 98, it'll help in other situations. Especially as a stopgap filesharing program in a pinch. Plaintalking explanation... Apple's site for Rendezvous... Might be worth a gander for some of you Redmond lovers.

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phorunninduke Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Intercourse, PA Posts: 1,479	I went out and got a netgear router. I went through the set up and everything works as it should, except i can not get web access. The router set up has all the modem info correct but i can not get online. Cable modem shows that it is online and has activity. The router shows that both computers are connected and it has activity. My main computer shows the router and modem, but the second dosent. Neither can get online or see eachother. I have gone through all the web help, and documentation and tried everything in them. I just cant sit on hold for three hours to talk to someone who probably speaks english as a secong language.

07-08-2004, 02:02 PM	#13 (permalink)
MvCrash Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Northern NJ Posts: 342	Greetings, I would try this. Shut both computers. Shut down the cable modem and the cable router. Turn them on in this order, Cable Modem, Router, PC and then win98 (I would loose this OS quickly). Once you bring the system up, try using an ip address of a known website. Put the IP address in the web browser and see if connect. If not, you have no connectivity if you do connect you have a DNS resolution problem which causes alot of problems on smaller nets. There are a ton of settings that could be affecting this and it will have to worked out one at a time. Keep posting

07-08-2004, 05:25 PM	#16 (permalink)
MvCrash Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Northern NJ Posts: 342	Cable has this weird thing they do that records the MAC address of the computer they are connected to. The routers that are used for cable do MAC address "SPOOFING" in that there is a place in the router config to type in the MAC address of the PC that was originally connected to the cable modem. They do this to prevent you from beating them outa five bucks per PC. The router you have should have a place where you can tell it to use the MAC address from the orginal PC. Do the ipconfig /all again and record the MAC address of the adapter (NIC CARD) that makes the connection to the network looks like this on the output of the Ipconfig /all Physical Address........................................... ...:00-07-E9-3D-EC-9E This number is actually the Hexidecimal translation of you NIC cards ID number, its actually a 48 bit binary address, but you don't really care at this point. Check this out and post again if it does not work. Mvcrash

07-08-2004, 06:34 PM	#17 (permalink)
*Corey* Co-Founder/Administrator Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 26,071	One more thing... With the Win 98 machine, type in your "Run" command from the start menu: ipconfig I think that is the command for Win 98. XP does not have that function, but I got the same utility from Microsoft that is for Win 2000, and it's the same ap as 98, and it works with XP. I'd rather use the GUI type ap than a command prompt. Anyway, see if you have the IP for your 98 machine in there that starts with 192. If it starts with I think 69, then you need to hit the button that says "show more" and then hit the "release all" then the "renew all" buttons. If it renews and then starts with the 192 IP, you are very close to getting that rig online. I am running the same setup. XP on my fast rig, and Win 98 on the laptop and old PIII 500. All work on the 'Net and share files as they should with my router. I did not have to monkey with any settings on the page you enter into for the router adjustments.

07-08-2004, 11:09 PM	#18 (permalink)
phorunninduke Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Intercourse, PA Posts: 1,479	Allright guys, thanks for the help.. I ended up upgradding my win98 to xp pro and bam its all working. Now both computers are online, and they can see eachother but i cant share files. it says you do not have permission to use this network resource. Contatct the admin. of this erver to fing out if you have acess permissions. the network path was not found

07-09-2004, 02:48 PM	#20 (permalink)
MvCrash Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Northern NJ Posts: 342	greetings, You can set the sharing per disk also. I would not advise this since it gives anyone access to your files who gets into your network. I would also highly recommend that you install some type of softwarre firewall. I know the router does network address translation aka NAT, but it is easily defeated these days. Mv

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