Firefox review

CynicX · 11-20-2004, 06:36 AM

Well for some reason my IE added a google search bar without my consent. I was starting to get a little fed up with the pop ups and trojans etc etc. I figured I'd try out Firefox see how crappy it was. Well I downloaded it, which is a really small file. I started surfing and instantly began to notice how much better it was. I get NO pop ups, I have more room to view a web page, everything seems to load more quickly, I have to say I'm really impressed.

The only thing I dont like is the fact that alot of webpage arent made with FireFox in mind, for exampe this box I'm typing in how kinda runs off --> that side of the screen....I have a scroll bar at the bottom so I can see over there but my IE would fit perfectly.....oh well small price to pay....

I'd highly recommend you guys check it out.

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CynicX · 11-20-2004, 07:12 AM

unfortunatly yotatech.com isnt very compatible with firefox....

come on corey get with the times hehehe

***Corey*** · 11-20-2004, 07:26 AM

You need to search here for my past post reviews on Firefox

I do not like the browser because it does not like us.

Nothing we can do, it is up to them.
My biggest complaint is when hitting the back button here in a list of "view new posts" it takes you to the very top instead of taking you to where you left off.

Midiwall has noted that they are aware of the problem, but who knows when it will be fixed.

I love IE, and I get no pop ups with Service Pack 2.
I still feel IE is the better choice.

GodwinAustin · 11-20-2004, 08:40 AM

Firefox is ALOT better IMO than IE.

Churnd · 11-20-2004, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GodwinAustin

Firefox is ALOT better IMO than IE.

True dat. I won't buy anything online over IE.

CynicX · 11-20-2004, 08:50 AM

this is the only forum that i have problems with....i use nasioc.com and s10forum.com alot without problem....i dont know anything about webpage design so my opinion is very bias...

I really like the tab surfing...keep me from having to open 15 different IE windows when multitasking....

***Corey*** · 11-20-2004, 09:10 AM

The tab interface is cool, I did like that point about it.
But a lot of websites are not written to let Firefox view them correctly, so that is another of my beefs.

kickaha · 11-20-2004, 03:50 PM

A lot of the problems are with Firefox. A lot of the problems are websites that write for functions specific to IE. Since YotaTech is basically just vBulletin and since vBulletin works fine in browsers other than IE, the problems with YotaTech are likely problems with Firefox.

But it's only at 1.0. When trying to ship a 1.0 product, a publisher MUST eventually stop fixing known bugs and concentrate on kicking the thing out the door. Now that they have 1.0 out, they can start to concentrate on the bugs. Since vBulletin is pretty popular, I'd expect making Firefox work well with it would be near the top of their priority list.

***midiwall*** · 11-20-2004, 04:07 PM

fwiw, this is the issue that Corey's talking about:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=215405

It's a killer bug to fix.. Technically it's a core design change.

I (and a boatload of other folks) were hoping that it would be fixed for the 1.0 release but it didn't make the bugbar.

To point out though, it's something that a website _can_ fix on their own. The issue has to do with the question of handling BACK on a site that declares that the browser shouldn't be caching things. The spirit of a web site using cache control is based on caching icons, pics, form data, text fields, etc. Mozilla (the Firefox core) took the "no-store" flag a bit too literally and doesn't cache the page position in layout history. That's what you see happening.

If a website removes no-store from their cache-control, Firefox will be fine.

CynicX · 11-21-2004, 06:41 AM

gotcha.....well this is the only site i've ben on that it does, at least I notice it does, since I click back and forward alot. But it doesnt really bother me too much. Just the fact that I get no pop-up anymore is wonderful. With IE I barely got any but when visiting sites like ebaumsworld, abum etc I always get a few that would slip by. That never really bothered me, but when I started it up one day and I have a google.com toolbar that I know I didnt click yes to add I got a little ticked off and figured I'd try something new. Regardless I really like it, and althought this forum doesnt look 100% its still looks good and I feel alot more secure using it. I was in a MIRC chat a long long time ago and one of the guys in there could resite my history in the IE history, which made me uneasy, considering I run spyboy search and destroy religiously, NEVER click yes to anything and always know what I'm downloading and even though I know what i'm downloading I run it through an very updated norton antivirus, which I also have run everyother night and I usually check windows updates daily....I dunno if IE is more secure then it was then but at many bills as I pay online I really dont want to take that chance.

CynicX · 11-21-2004, 06:47 AM

I just ran spybot....usually I have around 30 problems running it weekly...I'm gonna run Firefox for a week and not use IE see if I have more or less problems in one week....

***midiwall*** · 11-21-2004, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CynicX

I just ran spybot....usually I have around 30 problems running it weekly...I'm gonna run Firefox for a week and not use IE see if I have more or less problems in one week....

Cool... sounds like a good gauge for you.

I've been a Netscape series fan since the days of it being Mosaic. I _have_ to use IE at workd because of corporate sites that have locked themselves into non-standard coding and credentials based security. But I only bring it up when I have to...Firefox runs all day long.

(and yes, I'll get a headset so you and Bentun1t can hear me yelling at you.

)

rwmorrisonjr · 11-21-2004, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by midiwall

I've been a Netscape series fan since the days of it being Mosaic. I _have_ to use IE at workd because of corporate sites that have locked themselves into non-standard coding and credentials based security. But I only bring it up when I have to...Firefox runs all day long.

I've been using FireFox for about 3 months now and I don't have any issues other than the small one with YT. Some sites think that I'm accessing with Netscape 1.0 or similar, but I blow right through them and I'm fine. I now only use IE to access certain credentialed sites that I need for work or that I trust.

ldivinag · 11-27-2004, 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by midiwall

I've been a Netscape series fan since the days of it being Mosaic. I _have_ to use IE at workd because of corporate sites that have locked themselves into non-standard coding and credentials based security. But I only bring it up when I have to...Firefox runs all day long.

lol... me too... remember MOSAIC? which led to netscape 1...

we have lazy programmers at work which uses microsoft technologies... ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG.

also, when i need to order dell stuff, their website is also IE driven...

otherwise moz 1.7.x here...

had a big argument with someone at work who responded to my statement "why do you use IE" with "because it's the best thing out there..."

so i go to my spheal how crappy IE is...

turns out she heads one programmiing group on campus that i was talking about...

and no i didnt apololgize for ripping her dept... :evil smiley:

***midiwall*** · 11-27-2004, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ldivinag

lol... me too... remember MOSAIC? which led to netscape 1...

Oh yeah... That's why I said "I've been a Netscape series fan since the days of it being Mosaic".

My bestus buddy went to school with Marc (Andreesen, the father of Mosaic). I was even Gophering before most of the world knew what a POP server was. And! I have a credit in the original Xmodem source code.

(I've been around this stuff for a while!)

tulsa_97SR5 · 12-27-2004, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by midiwall

fwiw, this is the issue that Corey's talking about:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=215405

It's a killer bug to fix.. Technically it's a core design change.

If a website removes no-store from their cache-control, Firefox will be fine.

It looks like YT has done this!! Back now returns me to the part of the page I left, and I don't see no-cache in the page source. Don't think Firefox has fixed the bug, but I don't really care as long as YT works right now :bounce2:

Amir904 · 12-27-2004, 11:35 AM

i lov firefox, no problems at all and for me everything fits just as it does in IE, minus the pop ups....

***midiwall*** · 12-27-2004, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tulsa_97SR5

It looks like YT has done this!! Back now returns me to the part of the page I left, and I don't see no-cache in the page source. Don't think Firefox has fixed the bug, but I don't really care as long as YT works right now.

Confirmed!

I suspect that this change showed up when Chris moved to the released vBulletin code along with the server move.

it's never bothered me, but it should make Corey happy now.

***Corey*** · 12-27-2004, 02:41 PM

That is great news.

I will fire up the Fox later when I get caught up here with the 120 new trheads since I left for work this morning.

CynicX · 12-27-2004, 03:49 PM

lol welcome to the darkside, heheh

***Corey*** · 12-27-2004, 04:22 PM

It works great, but still a complaint.
With my IE toolbar where you can store your bookmarks, I also have yellow folders there that expand that have many links in them.

I dragged and dropped and organized my Firefox toolbar with the bookmarks, but it will not let me drag and drop a whole yellow folder full of links like IE does.

Now I have to go to the faves and select them the hard way.

I wish there was a way to place a yellow folder there like in IE.

***midiwall*** · 12-27-2004, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corey

With my IE toolbar where you can store your bookmarks, I also have yellow folders there that expand that have many links in them.

I dragged and dropped and organized my Firefox toolbar with the bookmarks, but it will not let me drag and drop a whole yellow folder full of links like IE does.

You mean like the pic below?

I do it all the time. Drag the folder to the toolbar itself.

***Corey*** · 12-27-2004, 05:20 PM

Yes like that Mark.
It is not working for me though.

***midiwall*** · 12-27-2004, 05:35 PM

Hmmm...

Click View | Sidebar | Bookmarks (or just hit CTRL-B)

Does the top line read "Bookmarks ToolBar Folder", or something else? If you drag a folder of bookmarks from somewhere else and drop it on "Bookmarks ToolBar Folder", does it show up on the bookmark toolbar?

Did the folders that you're trying to get on the toolbar come from importing IE bookmarks?

If you right-click on something _IN_ the Bookmarks ToolBar Folder (don't click _ON_ the folder), then pick "New Folder", give it a name, and click OK, does it show up on the toolbar as a folder?

***Corey*** · 12-27-2004, 06:15 PM

Mark, it is working as I type.
I did the Ctrl B thing, and at the top is the BT folder.
The two yellow folders I wanted are:
Forums (which contains tons)
Speed Tests (to test my line)

The two mentioned folders were already in the BT folder, just out of site.
I was able to grab them and drag them to the top

Here is a pic

Thanks a lot for the tip.

PS, one more thing.
I have the pre-release version 1.
In the top right corner is an update link.
It tries to connect to download the update, but it will not.
Could their servers be that busy, or will the version I have not upgrade to the final release?

If not, I will have to uninstall this version and then install version 1.

11-20-2004, 07:12 AM	#2 (permalink)
CynicX Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,371	unfortunatly yotatech.com isnt very compatible with firefox.... come on corey get with the times hehehe __________________ 06 Subaru WRX

11-20-2004, 07:26 AM	#3 (permalink)
*Corey* Co-Founder/Administrator Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 26,071	You need to search here for my past post reviews on Firefox I do not like the browser because it does not like us. Nothing we can do, it is up to them. My biggest complaint is when hitting the back button here in a list of "view new posts" it takes you to the very top instead of taking you to where you left off. Midiwall has noted that they are aware of the problem, but who knows when it will be fixed. I love IE, and I get no pop ups with Service Pack 2. I still feel IE is the better choice. __________________ Corey 2007 FJ Cruiser Built for 4wheelin', expedition, camping, and overlanding use PNW FJ Cruisers ☺ Detailing 101 ☺ Join Topsites ☺ Muffler Comparisons ☺ Maggiolinas In The Wild FJ Cruiser Buildup ☺ New Roof Top Tent ☺ Video Of My Penthouse Part II ☺ Rehinge Your ARB/Engel Fridge Blog About Roof Top Tents ☺ FJC Magazines Online Review Of My Tent ☺ 2009 Specialized Rockhopper Pro

11-20-2004, 08:40 AM	#4 (permalink)
GodwinAustin Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Eagle County Colorado Posts: 1,149	Firefox is ALOT better IMO than IE. __________________ -Jon Red 88 4runner - 5Spd - 22re

11-20-2004, 08:50 AM	#6 (permalink)
CynicX Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,371	this is the only forum that i have problems with....i use nasioc.com and s10forum.com alot without problem....i dont know anything about webpage design so my opinion is very bias... I really like the tab surfing...keep me from having to open 15 different IE windows when multitasking.... __________________ 06 Subaru WRX

11-20-2004, 09:10 AM	#7 (permalink)
*Corey* Co-Founder/Administrator Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 26,071	The tab interface is cool, I did like that point about it. But a lot of websites are not written to let Firefox view them correctly, so that is another of my beefs. __________________ Corey 2007 FJ Cruiser Built for 4wheelin', expedition, camping, and overlanding use PNW FJ Cruisers ☺ Detailing 101 ☺ Join Topsites ☺ Muffler Comparisons ☺ Maggiolinas In The Wild FJ Cruiser Buildup ☺ New Roof Top Tent ☺ Video Of My Penthouse Part II ☺ Rehinge Your ARB/Engel Fridge Blog About Roof Top Tents ☺ FJC Magazines Online Review Of My Tent ☺ 2009 Specialized Rockhopper Pro

11-20-2004, 03:50 PM	#8 (permalink)
kickaha Contributing Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 446	A lot of the problems are with Firefox. A lot of the problems are websites that write for functions specific to IE. Since YotaTech is basically just vBulletin and since vBulletin works fine in browsers other than IE, the problems with YotaTech are likely problems with Firefox. But it's only at 1.0. When trying to ship a 1.0 product, a publisher MUST eventually stop fixing known bugs and concentrate on kicking the thing out the door. Now that they have 1.0 out, they can start to concentrate on the bugs. Since vBulletin is pretty popular, I'd expect making Firefox work well with it would be near the top of their priority list. __________________ BuyerBeware!

11-20-2004, 04:07 PM	#9 (permalink)
*midiwall* Sponsoring Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seattleish, WA Posts: 9,078	fwiw, this is the issue that Corey's talking about: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=215405 It's a killer bug to fix.. Technically it's a core design change. I (and a boatload of other folks) were hoping that it would be fixed for the 1.0 release but it didn't make the bugbar. To point out though, it's something that a website _can_ fix on their own. The issue has to do with the question of handling BACK on a site that declares that the browser shouldn't be caching things. The spirit of a web site using cache control is based on caching icons, pics, form data, text fields, etc. Mozilla (the Firefox core) took the "no-store" flag a bit too literally and doesn't cache the page position in layout history. That's what you see happening. If a website removes no-store from their cache-control, Firefox will be fine. __________________ ~ Mark '96 4Runner Limited S/C MI - 370cc injectors, Air! horns, Airaid MIT, ATS A-arms, 285/75/R16 BFG MTs, Bored TB, Brembo slotted, Cobra 75 WXST, Deckplate, Downey headers, Hayden cooler, IPT valve body, Level 10 torque convertor, Meanstreak exhaust, OME/OME rears, On-board PC (XM, Nav, WiFi, etc), Port 'n Polish, Remote Start, SAW fronts, Hilux console, SMT-5, Stubb's sliders, Supra MAF, TJM-17, 2.0" pulley, Viair 450c, Walbro 190, Weasy2k cams

11-21-2004, 06:41 AM	#10 (permalink)
CynicX Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,371	gotcha.....well this is the only site i've ben on that it does, at least I notice it does, since I click back and forward alot. But it doesnt really bother me too much. Just the fact that I get no pop-up anymore is wonderful. With IE I barely got any but when visiting sites like ebaumsworld, abum etc I always get a few that would slip by. That never really bothered me, but when I started it up one day and I have a google.com toolbar that I know I didnt click yes to add I got a little ticked off and figured I'd try something new. Regardless I really like it, and althought this forum doesnt look 100% its still looks good and I feel alot more secure using it. I was in a MIRC chat a long long time ago and one of the guys in there could resite my history in the IE history, which made me uneasy, considering I run spyboy search and destroy religiously, NEVER click yes to anything and always know what I'm downloading and even though I know what i'm downloading I run it through an very updated norton antivirus, which I also have run everyother night and I usually check windows updates daily....I dunno if IE is more secure then it was then but at many bills as I pay online I really dont want to take that chance. __________________ 06 Subaru WRX

11-21-2004, 06:47 AM	#11 (permalink)
CynicX Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,371	I just ran spybot....usually I have around 30 problems running it weekly...I'm gonna run Firefox for a week and not use IE see if I have more or less problems in one week.... __________________ 06 Subaru WRX

12-27-2004, 11:35 AM	#17 (permalink)
Amir904 Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Boston/Albany Posts: 866	i lov firefox, no problems at all and for me everything fits just as it does in IE, minus the pop ups.... __________________ 07 4runner 4.7 SR5 98 4runner 3.4 SR5 87 FJ60

12-27-2004, 02:41 PM	#19 (permalink)
*Corey* Co-Founder/Administrator Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 26,071	That is great news. I will fire up the Fox later when I get caught up here with the 120 new trheads since I left for work this morning. __________________ Corey 2007 FJ Cruiser Built for 4wheelin', expedition, camping, and overlanding use PNW FJ Cruisers ☺ Detailing 101 ☺ Join Topsites ☺ Muffler Comparisons ☺ Maggiolinas In The Wild FJ Cruiser Buildup ☺ New Roof Top Tent ☺ Video Of My Penthouse Part II ☺ Rehinge Your ARB/Engel Fridge Blog About Roof Top Tents ☺ FJC Magazines Online Review Of My Tent ☺ 2009 Specialized Rockhopper Pro

12-27-2004, 03:49 PM	#20 (permalink)
CynicX Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,371	lol welcome to the darkside, heheh __________________ 06 Subaru WRX

12-27-2004, 04:22 PM	#21 (permalink)
*Corey* Co-Founder/Administrator Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 26,071	It works great, but still a complaint. With my IE toolbar where you can store your bookmarks, I also have yellow folders there that expand that have many links in them. I dragged and dropped and organized my Firefox toolbar with the bookmarks, but it will not let me drag and drop a whole yellow folder full of links like IE does. Now I have to go to the faves and select them the hard way. I wish there was a way to place a yellow folder there like in IE. __________________ Corey 2007 FJ Cruiser Built for 4wheelin', expedition, camping, and overlanding use PNW FJ Cruisers ☺ Detailing 101 ☺ Join Topsites ☺ Muffler Comparisons ☺ Maggiolinas In The Wild FJ Cruiser Buildup ☺ New Roof Top Tent ☺ Video Of My Penthouse Part II ☺ Rehinge Your ARB/Engel Fridge Blog About Roof Top Tents ☺ FJC Magazines Online Review Of My Tent ☺ 2009 Specialized Rockhopper Pro

12-27-2004, 05:20 PM	#23 (permalink)
*Corey* Co-Founder/Administrator Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 26,071	Yes like that Mark. It is not working for me though. __________________ Corey 2007 FJ Cruiser Built for 4wheelin', expedition, camping, and overlanding use PNW FJ Cruisers ☺ Detailing 101 ☺ Join Topsites ☺ Muffler Comparisons ☺ Maggiolinas In The Wild FJ Cruiser Buildup ☺ New Roof Top Tent ☺ Video Of My Penthouse Part II ☺ Rehinge Your ARB/Engel Fridge Blog About Roof Top Tents ☺ FJC Magazines Online Review Of My Tent ☺ 2009 Specialized Rockhopper Pro

12-27-2004, 05:35 PM	#24 (permalink)
*midiwall* Sponsoring Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seattleish, WA Posts: 9,078	Hmmm... Click View \| Sidebar \| Bookmarks (or just hit CTRL-B) Does the top line read "Bookmarks ToolBar Folder", or something else? If you drag a folder of bookmarks from somewhere else and drop it on "Bookmarks ToolBar Folder", does it show up on the bookmark toolbar? Did the folders that you're trying to get on the toolbar come from importing IE bookmarks? If you right-click on something _IN_ the Bookmarks ToolBar Folder (don't click _ON_ the folder), then pick "New Folder", give it a name, and click OK, does it show up on the toolbar as a folder? __________________ ~ Mark '96 4Runner Limited S/C MI - 370cc injectors, Air! horns, Airaid MIT, ATS A-arms, 285/75/R16 BFG MTs, Bored TB, Brembo slotted, Cobra 75 WXST, Deckplate, Downey headers, Hayden cooler, IPT valve body, Level 10 torque convertor, Meanstreak exhaust, OME/OME rears, On-board PC (XM, Nav, WiFi, etc), Port 'n Polish, Remote Start, SAW fronts, Hilux console, SMT-5, Stubb's sliders, Supra MAF, TJM-17, 2.0" pulley, Viair 450c, Walbro 190, Weasy2k cams

12-27-2004, 06:15 PM	#25 (permalink)
*Corey* Co-Founder/Administrator Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 26,071	Mark, it is working as I type. I did the Ctrl B thing, and at the top is the BT folder. The two yellow folders I wanted are: Forums (which contains tons) Speed Tests (to test my line) The two mentioned folders were already in the BT folder, just out of site. I was able to grab them and drag them to the top Here is a pic Thanks a lot for the tip. PS, one more thing. I have the pre-release version 1. In the top right corner is an update link. It tries to connect to download the update, but it will not. Could their servers be that busy, or will the version I have not upgrade to the final release? If not, I will have to uninstall this version and then install version 1. __________________ Corey 2007 FJ Cruiser Built for 4wheelin', expedition, camping, and overlanding use PNW FJ Cruisers ☺ Detailing 101 ☺ Join Topsites ☺ Muffler Comparisons ☺ Maggiolinas In The Wild FJ Cruiser Buildup ☺ New Roof Top Tent ☺ Video Of My Penthouse Part II ☺ Rehinge Your ARB/Engel Fridge Blog About Roof Top Tents ☺ FJC Magazines Online Review Of My Tent ☺ 2009 Specialized Rockhopper Pro

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