speakers

GreenFlames · 03-08-2009, 11:26 AM

hello fellow yota owners,
ok so i want to upgrade my sound system in my 1990 4runner but i dont want anything major and i hate massive subs. so im thinking new 4 way speakers and a fancy cd player, with some new wires. and what im asking is what size of speakers are in my truck now are the front 2 just 6.5"? are the rear 6x9"?
and what kind of cd player would be a good one to get money is no barrier as my papa is a rich fella and my 18th birthday is the 13th of march. any help would be nice.

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**aviator** · 03-08-2009, 12:33 PM

The front dash speakers are 4" and I think the rears are just 5x7s but don't quote me...
If money is no object then go with Boston Accoustics speakers they make a 4" coaxial that sounds way bigger and their 5x7/6x9 are excellent too...
Other then BA... JL Audio is almost as good but the 4" only comes in their bottom of the line TR series and they just are'nt as ballsie as the BAs...
If you can find them in a wreck [or have them already] the little plastic speaker boxes for the fronts that come as part of the premium sound package make a big difference to the fronts you may need to modify them a bit to fit the bigger magnets on the new speakers but it might be worth it talk to your installer/sales guy about it...
second piece of advice go to a few different specialty shops and talk to a few different guys tell them your goals with your system and discuss the options with them...
final piece of advice I'd consider adding a 4ch amp as well you won't need anything huge. Any HU alone just does'nt have enough power to drive the speakers properly.
JL makes a very nice amp in their 'slash' series "300/4" it has a small foot print and is compact enough to fit under a seat more or less out of sight.
Hope this helped Aviator

Kinked · 03-08-2009, 12:41 PM

with some "modification" the rear speaker boxes can fit 6x9's. i can't remember what size i pulled out before i upgraded. the fronts i'm pretty sure are 4", and definatly do the amp. that way you can eliminate the little amps in the back that make life suck with the new deck

GreenFlames · 03-08-2009, 12:51 PM

how much do amps run? could i do some "modifacations" and fit 6.5's and 6x9's??

olharleyman · 03-08-2009, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreenFlames

how much do amps run? could i do some "modifacations" and fit 6.5's and 6x9's??

amps run any where from $50 to $500 depending on brand and quality. you can do anything if you have the money and imagination 6.5 components 6x9 would be very easy to retro fit.

GreenFlames · 03-08-2009, 03:51 PM

could i like "cut" some more room in the front to fit the 6.5s? and in the back for the 6x9s?

**aviator** · 03-08-2009, 08:41 PM

Fitting 6" up front would be virtually impossible there just is not enough room. You might be and stress might be able to get some 5.25s in there with a lot of cutting. The problem is the dash support frame on the drivers side and the glove box on the pax side.
You could get a set of those kick panel boxes for some 6"ers but you loose a lot of foot room particularly on the drivers side and it no longer looks stock.
+ your speakers will get full of mud and water and junk too I'd recommend marine rated speakers if you go with these things...

amps can even go up to the mid 1000's depending on brand and features...
the JL 300/4 I mentioned can be had for around $550 from crutchfeild the G series 4500 is $350.

GreenFlames · 03-08-2009, 09:31 PM

alright well i looked around and found 2 6x9 sony xplods and 2 4" sony xplods and a sony xplod cd deck, im gonna put the rear 6x9s in some boxes. i can get all of this plus new wires and installed for 350CAD

toylocost · 03-08-2009, 09:38 PM

Yes. If you like decnt bass but dont want subs get some components.

This would take some cash but imo some of the best speakers you can buy...http://www.jbl.com/car/products/prod...at=COS&ser=GTI

**aviator** · 03-09-2009, 03:15 PM

JBL is another excellent brand but I did'nt suggest them because they can sound a little "bright" but that may be just my ears lol, also it is a matter of the kind of music you listen to...

Belize Off Road Team · 03-09-2009, 03:33 PM

You dont need bigger speakers you just need a good brand/model. With my Alpine Type-R speakers i can hear the vocals above the bass from my 12" JBL subs.

nieuwendyk-25 · 03-09-2009, 04:01 PM

I run Focal 6.5" components in my 4Runner....After installing them I decided I did not need a Sub...the base response is that good.

Focals are expensive and I do not have the tops in their line by any means...but in my opinion they blow everything else away. Got mine at woofersetc.com good prices on a lot of things.

I used to love Alpine stuff, but it is not what it used to be. I have two sets of Type-R speakers in my garage that the surround has come unglued on. I mean come on...it is supposed to be made for a car! IMO they make a lot of junk now....in the same boat as Sony Explodes...lots of marketing and fancy colors does not make a good speaker. I've had good luck and sound with Focal, Polk Audio and Boston Acoustics. Definitely go for components if you can...night and day difference.

GreenFlames · 03-09-2009, 07:22 PM

yeah i dont like massive bass, rap is a no no so is metal, i listen to the tragicaly hip and the beatles, that style of music AKA the best knid

**aviator** · 03-09-2009, 10:59 PM

If you're a hip/beatles kind of guy then you need speakers that will give you a good clean sound... BA, JL, Polk are all good bets... JBLs will work if you need to be a bit more budget conscious but again the sound will be brighter which is not always a bad thing... what you might want to do is try to find a shop that will let you "audition" them in your ride...
You can start with the sound boards in the shop [bring your own music and try to use the actual HU or the closest they have to yours] this will help narrow down your choices but they will sound different in your car so an "onboard" test is best.
In other words install a set [rears are easiest] dial the sound back to rears only and try them in turn to see which set sounds best to your ear actually in the car. Any really good shop will probably allow this provided you commit to buy from them when you've made your selection.

94runnerfan · 03-09-2009, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreenFlames

could i like "cut" some more room in the front to fit the 6.5s? and in the back for the 6x9s?

6.5 go on the doors pretty easily(check out Corey's old 4runner site). I just did this set up in my truck about a month ago and love it. I trimmed a little in the back to get the 6x9's behind the plastic in the stock locations, and took 1/2 plywood, and some fabric, and set it up a lot like Corey's old setup, but with the map pockets in the stock locations. If you do decide to mt speakers in the doors make sure you put it in a place where there is a gap in the metal, and there is enough room when behind them when the window is down and the door is closed. I know this sounds obvious, but it messed me up a couple times so I thought I should mention it.

I am be alone on this, but I actually found better bass from 6x9's then from components and they were a lot cheaper, but I guess that is a preference thing.

stormin94 · 03-10-2009, 12:21 AM

Here's what I did to my rear speaker boxes. I've modded them to accept a 5.25" speaker with very little work.

Post #17. Approx half way down the page.
http://www.yotatech.com/f116/speaker...runner-118949/

BTW, I do believe that the stock speaker sizes on the 2nd gen 4Runners are 4T in the front, and 4" in the rear. The 4T's up front have a wierd bolt pattern, but you can mount regular ol 4 inchers up there no problem.

If you are interested in mounting a 6.5" in the rear, I'm fairly certain that you could, and still keep the stock box. I just chose not to because it would've complicated things more than I wanted to deal with, and besides, I already had the 5.25's.

If you have any questions with this, I'm always glad to help out.

I also run an 8" JL Audio sub in the rear. It's in a sealed, truck style box, but it sounds great.

nosfanatic2006 · 03-10-2009, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nieuwendyk-25

I run Focal 6.5" components in my 4Runner....After installing them I decided I did not need a Sub...the base response is that good.

Focals are expensive and I do not have the tops in their line by any means...but in my opinion they blow everything else away. Got mine at woofersetc.com good prices on a lot of things.

Focals are amazing! My dad had them in his S2K with an amp and omg they sounded great. They are extremely pricey though. I'd love to have them in my 4Runner but I don't think its worth it. Maybe in my next car

Belize Off Road Team · 03-10-2009, 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nieuwendyk-25

I used to love Alpine stuff, but it is not what it used to be. I have two sets of Type-R speakers in my garage that the surround has come unglued on. I mean come on...it is supposed to be made for a car! IMO they make a lot of junk now....in the same boat as Sony Explodes...lots of marketing and fancy colors does not make a good speaker. I've had good luck and sound with Focal, Polk Audio and Boston Acoustics. Definitely go for components if you can...night and day difference.

I guess it depends, like the whole K&N controversy where some hate it and other love it. I have had my alpines for 4 years now. nothing but perfection. i do wish i had a 94+ so i could have had the extra 2 speakers in the rear but maybe later. And the speakers hold well even when i go down roads from hell.

nieuwendyk-25 · 03-10-2009, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Belize Off Road Team

I guess it depends, like the whole K&N controversy where some hate it and other love it. I have had my alpines for 4 years now. nothing but perfection. i do wish i had a 94+ so i could have had the extra 2 speakers in the rear but maybe later. And the speakers hold well even when i go down roads from hell.

It does get really hot here in Texas so that could be the reason they did not stay glued....but it may be pretty hot in Belize also...and actually I mis-spoke, they were Alpine components.

nieuwendyk-25 · 03-10-2009, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nosfanatic2006

Focals are amazing! My dad had them in his S2K with an amp and omg they sounded great. They are extremely pricey though. I'd love to have them in my 4Runner but I don't think its worth it. Maybe in my next car

Check out woofersetc.com when you get ready...I have the Focal Access 6.5" components...my wife bought my first set at Car Toys for like $319 for Christmas one year...I bought the second set for $199 at woofersetc.com...now they are like $219...didn't have to buy a sub though.

They blew me away when I heard them for the first time.

Texas91Runner · 03-10-2009, 05:02 PM

do you guys have any tips or advice for installing 6x9's in the back and POSSIBLY 6.5"s in the front doors?

GreenFlames · 03-10-2009, 05:12 PM

my speakers in the front are in the dash, i thought they were in the doors so i was really confused trying to find them lol, i was looking all over the door for them then i looked up and saw them.

kiyobrown · 03-10-2009, 05:39 PM

I love boston acoustics personally, followed by Infinity Kappas. I have a set of boston acoustics 4 inch component speakers (rc420 if you want to look em up) that sound great. only problem is the recommend 20-180 watts rms, and most head units are in the 14-15 range. I have a Pioneer premier, so it puts out 22, so I just sneak in. If you are in Washington, I can meet up with you and let you hear how they sound. I bought 2 sets, and only ended up using one. So they are brand new in the box. They retailed 279, I got em 50% off, would let em go for 100. Let me know if you are interested.

BTW, if you check my album you will see where I mounted my tweeters in the A post, they sound awesome!

GreenFlames · 03-10-2009, 06:06 PM

thats a cool place for the speakers. how hard was that to do

94runnerfan · 03-10-2009, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texas91Runner

do you guys have any tips or advice for installing 6x9's in the back and POSSIBLY 6.5"s in the front doors?

if you put Speakers in the doors, put as forward on the doors as you can. If you put them towards the back they tend to start falling out of the doors eventually from the force of opening and closing, and the sound gets blocked by your body and the seats. Other than that just measure, a bunch of times before you cut anything like any other project, and like I said before check when the door is opened and closed, and check the full range of the window, because there is a lot of stuff moving around in the doors.

As for the 6x9's there is a tone of room in the back so have fun with it, and if you want to keep it looking stock you can get them to fit in the stock location pretty easily if you cut out or mode the speaker grate, and slightly trim the metal behind it. A little

and you will be

03-08-2009, 12:33 PM	#2 (permalink)
aviator Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: COTKU,Ontario,Canada Posts: 7,473	The front dash speakers are 4" and I think the rears are just 5x7s but don't quote me... If money is no object then go with Boston Accoustics speakers they make a 4" coaxial that sounds way bigger and their 5x7/6x9 are excellent too... Other then BA... JL Audio is almost as good but the 4" only comes in their bottom of the line TR series and they just are'nt as ballsie as the BAs... If you can find them in a wreck [or have them already] the little plastic speaker boxes for the fronts that come as part of the premium sound package make a big difference to the fronts you may need to modify them a bit to fit the bigger magnets on the new speakers but it might be worth it talk to your installer/sales guy about it... second piece of advice go to a few different specialty shops and talk to a few different guys tell them your goals with your system and discuss the options with them... final piece of advice I'd consider adding a 4ch amp as well you won't need anything huge. Any HU alone just does'nt have enough power to drive the speakers properly. JL makes a very nice amp in their 'slash' series "300/4" it has a small foot print and is compact enough to fit under a seat more or less out of sight. Hope this helped Aviator __________________ Silver 1994 Hilux Xtra cab 4x4 3.0 K&N cone filter, ported MAF, advanced timing, oversize exhaust, free flow cat, "rumble" muffler custom covered SR5 seats, map lights, factory AC tv4184 style black interior conversion started mods to come... header, custom centre console, stereo upgrade tinted windows Founding member 1972TLC fan club - Get well soon Mary Toyota Hilux... Get in or Get out of the way. Last edited by aviator; 03-08-2009 at 12:34 PM.

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Kinked Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Coquitlam Posts: 99	with some "modification" the rear speaker boxes can fit 6x9's. i can't remember what size i pulled out before i upgraded. the fronts i'm pretty sure are 4", and definatly do the amp. that way you can eliminate the little amps in the back that make life suck with the new deck __________________ 91 4Runner <- 3.0, Auto, Alpine IDA-X001 Head Unit, Alpine 4" Front Spkrs, Alpine 6X9 rear Spkrs 93 4Runner <- 3.0, Auto, Alpine Head Unit 92 S-10 Blazer <- Selling

03-08-2009, 08:41 PM	#7 (permalink)
aviator Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: COTKU,Ontario,Canada Posts: 7,473	Fitting 6" up front would be virtually impossible there just is not enough room. You might be and stress might be able to get some 5.25s in there with a lot of cutting. The problem is the dash support frame on the drivers side and the glove box on the pax side. You could get a set of those kick panel boxes for some 6"ers but you loose a lot of foot room particularly on the drivers side and it no longer looks stock. + your speakers will get full of mud and water and junk too I'd recommend marine rated speakers if you go with these things... amps can even go up to the mid 1000's depending on brand and features... the JL 300/4 I mentioned can be had for around $550 from crutchfeild the G series 4500 is $350. __________________ Silver 1994 Hilux Xtra cab 4x4 3.0 K&N cone filter, ported MAF, advanced timing, oversize exhaust, free flow cat, "rumble" muffler custom covered SR5 seats, map lights, factory AC tv4184 style black interior conversion started mods to come... header, custom centre console, stereo upgrade tinted windows Founding member 1972TLC fan club - Get well soon Mary Toyota Hilux... Get in or Get out of the way.

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toylocost Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Yotatech, because Pirate is too expensive. Posts: 1,428	Yes. If you like decnt bass but dont want subs get some components. This would take some cash but imo some of the best speakers you can buy...http://www.jbl.com/car/products/prod...at=COS&ser=GTI __________________ 1982 2wd Pickup - Custom Interior - Pioneer 8" subs 1990 4runner - Blown Head Gasket Mod (fixed!) - Cruiser Coils - BJ Spacers - Bed Lined Fenders - CB/PA - Alpine HU - H4 Headlights - 2 15s and a Rockford amp. 1996 Camry - 400,000 miles on original engine/transmission. HELL YES!!! All it takes is a quart of oil with every tank of gas. Project: scratch building a modernized Lotus 7 replica using a 22-re Celica drivetrain

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aviator Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: COTKU,Ontario,Canada Posts: 7,473	JBL is another excellent brand but I did'nt suggest them because they can sound a little "bright" but that may be just my ears lol, also it is a matter of the kind of music you listen to... __________________ Silver 1994 Hilux Xtra cab 4x4 3.0 K&N cone filter, ported MAF, advanced timing, oversize exhaust, free flow cat, "rumble" muffler custom covered SR5 seats, map lights, factory AC tv4184 style black interior conversion started mods to come... header, custom centre console, stereo upgrade tinted windows Founding member 1972TLC fan club - Get well soon Mary Toyota Hilux... Get in or Get out of the way.

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GreenFlames Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: the nearest mudhole Posts: 131	how much do amps run? could i do some "modifacations" and fit 6.5's and 6x9's??

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GreenFlames Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: the nearest mudhole Posts: 131	could i like "cut" some more room in the front to fit the 6.5s? and in the back for the 6x9s?

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GreenFlames Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: the nearest mudhole Posts: 131	alright well i looked around and found 2 6x9 sony xplods and 2 4" sony xplods and a sony xplod cd deck, im gonna put the rear 6x9s in some boxes. i can get all of this plus new wires and installed for 350CAD

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Belize Off Road Team Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Corozal Town, Belize Posts: 2,752	You dont need bigger speakers you just need a good brand/model. With my Alpine Type-R speakers i can hear the vocals above the bass from my 12" JBL subs. __________________ -Phyl 1991 Hilux Surf SSR-G Petrol 3.0L V6 200,000kms l Rancho RS5000 l 31"x10.50"xR15 Pro Comp Xterrain l K&N Air Filter l PP 1" Lift Coil Springs l Optima Blue Top l 12" JBL Subs l Alpine Type R l 80/100W Hella H4 l 1st Gen Roll Bar Mod l FT/RR Diff. Breathers l Smittybilt XRC8 Winch l ARB Bull Bar l トヨタ\|NEVER QUIT

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nieuwendyk-25 Contributing Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Republic Texas Posts: 872	I run Focal 6.5" components in my 4Runner....After installing them I decided I did not need a Sub...the base response is that good. Focals are expensive and I do not have the tops in their line by any means...but in my opinion they blow everything else away. Got mine at woofersetc.com good prices on a lot of things. I used to love Alpine stuff, but it is not what it used to be. I have two sets of Type-R speakers in my garage that the surround has come unglued on. I mean come on...it is supposed to be made for a car! IMO they make a lot of junk now....in the same boat as Sony Explodes...lots of marketing and fancy colors does not make a good speaker. I've had good luck and sound with Focal, Polk Audio and Boston Acoustics. Definitely go for components if you can...night and day difference. __________________ DMN, D.D.S. "DOC" 2000 4Runner SR5 4WD- RADIANT RED, Toyota E-Locker, BFG AT's, Yakima Rocket Box, Toyota Ski Rack, Alpine Amp, iPhone interface, Focal 6.5" Components Front & REAR!, Monster Wiring, Husky Liners, Magellan Color GPS, Bilstein Sucks...I mean Shocks 2005 Sequoia SR5 4WD- BRILLIANT WHITE, Yakima RB, Husky Liners, 10.4" LCD/DVD Player, iPod interface, BFG AT's 1986 Jeep CJ-7- Hard & Soft Tops, Alpine CD, iPod interface, Polk Speakers, 31" BFG AT's, Bosch Lights, Mopar MPI

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GreenFlames Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: the nearest mudhole Posts: 131	yeah i dont like massive bass, rap is a no no so is metal, i listen to the tragicaly hip and the beatles, that style of music AKA the best knid

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aviator Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: COTKU,Ontario,Canada Posts: 7,473	If you're a hip/beatles kind of guy then you need speakers that will give you a good clean sound... BA, JL, Polk are all good bets... JBLs will work if you need to be a bit more budget conscious but again the sound will be brighter which is not always a bad thing... what you might want to do is try to find a shop that will let you "audition" them in your ride... You can start with the sound boards in the shop [bring your own music and try to use the actual HU or the closest they have to yours] this will help narrow down your choices but they will sound different in your car so an "onboard" test is best. In other words install a set [rears are easiest] dial the sound back to rears only and try them in turn to see which set sounds best to your ear actually in the car. Any really good shop will probably allow this provided you commit to buy from them when you've made your selection. __________________ Silver 1994 Hilux Xtra cab 4x4 3.0 K&N cone filter, ported MAF, advanced timing, oversize exhaust, free flow cat, "rumble" muffler custom covered SR5 seats, map lights, factory AC tv4184 style black interior conversion started mods to come... header, custom centre console, stereo upgrade tinted windows Founding member 1972TLC fan club - Get well soon Mary Toyota Hilux... Get in or Get out of the way. Last edited by aviator; 03-09-2009 at 11:03 PM.

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stormin94 Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Lake County, CA/Sacramento Posts: 3,539	Here's what I did to my rear speaker boxes. I've modded them to accept a 5.25" speaker with very little work. Post #17. Approx half way down the page. http://www.yotatech.com/f116/speaker...runner-118949/ BTW, I do believe that the stock speaker sizes on the 2nd gen 4Runners are 4T in the front, and 4" in the rear. The 4T's up front have a wierd bolt pattern, but you can mount regular ol 4 inchers up there no problem. If you are interested in mounting a 6.5" in the rear, I'm fairly certain that you could, and still keep the stock box. I just chose not to because it would've complicated things more than I wanted to deal with, and besides, I already had the 5.25's. If you have any questions with this, I'm always glad to help out. I also run an 8" JL Audio sub in the rear. It's in a sealed, truck style box, but it sounds great. __________________ 1994 Toyota 4Runner SR5 4X4 213,000 miles and counting 3.0 V6, 5 speed 10/15 MPG city/hwy(with 33's) Current Mods Headers, 2.5" Flowmaster custom exhaust, K&N FIPK KC Daylighter 100 Watt lights Ranchos x4, 2" Lift Downey coils 33-12.50 M/T's, 1" t-bar lift, 1" body lift Tow pkg w/ lighthookups Silverstar Headlights, Pioneer Deck w/XM Brushguard 250Watt JLAudio 8" W3 Sub Future Mods 12V Aux outlet-400/800peak inverter roof basket/lights Air locker 4.88 gears H.O. Alternator Last edited by aviator; 03-10-2009 at 07:34 AM.

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Texas91Runner Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: El Paso, TX Posts: 169	do you guys have any tips or advice for installing 6x9's in the back and POSSIBLY 6.5"s in the front doors?

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GreenFlames Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: the nearest mudhole Posts: 131	my speakers in the front are in the dash, i thought they were in the doors so i was really confused trying to find them lol, i was looking all over the door for them then i looked up and saw them.

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kiyobrown Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 271	speakers for sale. I love boston acoustics personally, followed by Infinity Kappas. I have a set of boston acoustics 4 inch component speakers (rc420 if you want to look em up) that sound great. only problem is the recommend 20-180 watts rms, and most head units are in the 14-15 range. I have a Pioneer premier, so it puts out 22, so I just sneak in. If you are in Washington, I can meet up with you and let you hear how they sound. I bought 2 sets, and only ended up using one. So they are brand new in the box. They retailed 279, I got em 50% off, would let em go for 100. Let me know if you are interested. BTW, if you check my album you will see where I mounted my tweeters in the A post, they sound awesome!

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GreenFlames Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: the nearest mudhole Posts: 131	thats a cool place for the speakers. how hard was that to do

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