Is it okay to tell someone to "SEARCH!"

***midiwall*** · 02-27-2007, 09:53 AM

I and a couple of other folks have been called to task for telling people to "SEARCH!" when they ask about VERY common things like The Deckplate Mod, The ISR Mod, Seafoam, etc.

Is this an okay thing to do? Why or Why not?

My point in telling someone to search is that it reduces the duplicate information on the forum. People complain about the search engine, with a lot of the complaints being based around not being able to find what they're looking for. A LARGE part of that is because there is so much duplicate information!

I think it's certainly okay to start a thread HERE on YT about 4-link suspension, that information is hard to find - but "deckplate" "isr mod" "seafoam"??? It's all over the place - including the tech writeups!

Also, when _I_ tell someone to search, I almost always include an answer in the post. It could be in the form of my "obnoxious spinning SEARCH post", or it could be words, or it could be words and links. But 95% of the time I'm including an answer.

What do you think?

***Corey*** · 02-27-2007, 09:59 AM

I think it is perfectly OK as long as it is done in a nice manner.

I also surf the worlds biggest FJ Cruiser forum, and there is nothing new under the sun over there, it has been covered.

I see tons of posts coming in from total newbs or older members who simply refuse to search, and it gets very old and tired fast.

You get a lot of enthused new members too telling others about something they just heard or found when it has been covered in great detail a week or a month before.

Searching first would solve about 90% of the reposts.

But the flaming type of telling a newb as seen on other forums does not cut it here.

MudMonkey · 02-27-2007, 10:04 AM

Hey Mark, maybe you should search for your answer... This topic has been covered at great length before...

j/k...

Stevo3 · 02-27-2007, 10:04 AM

Wait, whats this deckplate mod you speak of??? and seafoam, what do you do with that stuff?

hehe just kiddin.

just waiting for the

now.

Thats all i try to do, if there isnt a topic for what i searched for then i start one

if your polite about it there shouldnt be anything wrong with that

Elton · 02-27-2007, 10:04 AM

did you guys make the search feature easier to use cause its not as good as it use to be

rezrunner92 · 02-27-2007, 10:04 AM

Midiwall, Search this before you ask and you may find your answer.

Just kidding but I searched the phrase "search!" and got back 27 pages. Lol.

Elton · 02-27-2007, 10:08 AM

is the key to answer your question

habanero · 02-27-2007, 10:08 AM

I'm kinda scared to ask any questions just in case I've missed it when I've searched 'cause sometimes people get a little rude about it....

....but you know, maybe that's the point. Newbie me searches extra extra hard before I make a new thread because I've seen all those search Search SEARCH posts in other threads.

But I didn't think you were rude...and you did give useful information as well. Many of you more experienced people tell us to search and then provide a link or two...very helpful.

Sometimes I'm glad someone begins a thread on something already covered because they're asking a question I haven't thought of yet. Sort of accidental learning for me. Then after someone chimes in with search and info or maybe a link and the thread fizzles....I do!

Stevo3 · 02-27-2007, 10:16 AM

Midiwall now i understand why you made this thread lol, all you did was get straight to the point and tell him to search, you werent being harsh, just said this had been talked about in the past, and yeah, you did tell him places to do it too.

***midiwall*** · 02-27-2007, 10:33 AM

Thanks Steve... Thanks all...

I'm seriously hoping to attract a couple of the folks that I've seemingly upset over here so we can work this out.

garrett1478 · 02-27-2007, 10:48 AM

always okay. NEVER REFRAIN.

***waskillywabbit*** · 02-27-2007, 10:54 AM

So post the link cause I am not going to search for it.

Brian

Quote:

Originally Posted by midiwall

Thanks Steve... Thanks all...

I'm seriously hoping to attract a couple of the folks that I've seemingly upset over here so we can work this out.

***Corey*** · 02-27-2007, 10:58 AM

Contrary to being told here the search feature is better than ever before, it is not.

I searched for Tofer's IT thread, and the search came back with zero results.
I had to scan through a few pages to find it in Off Topic.

So...
The search engine here does not work like it use to in the past.
That is out of my hands.

garrett1478 · 02-27-2007, 11:01 AM

yeah i have noticed that the search function blows recently...

Buck01 · 02-27-2007, 11:02 AM

I agree with Habanero...I always try to search cause I don't want to get the dreaded search you idiot reply...I have found that sometimes I can not find what I am looking for even when I know the exact text in the thread...and that I too sometimes find stuff you longtimers feel is a no brainer but it is new info to me. I read the thread then read the links supplied which are always a ppreciated. I don't mind being asked to search but don't just assume we didn't search and always supply a link or answer of some sort.

This kinda goes along with the "don't pass along MISINFORMATION" replys...

I think information is always good. I may believe something to be true that is in fact wrong but how will I ever know if I don't talk about it.

seanz0rz · 02-27-2007, 11:12 AM

maybe if our searched worked, id yell at them.

however, since it doesnt most of the time (looking for threads that i posted and know the exact phrase doesnt bring them up), ill help them

**UKMyers** · 02-27-2007, 11:13 AM

I have typed my exact thread title into the search box looking for an old thread of mine and words that I am positive were in it and the search engine couldn't find it.

On another note does anybody know how big of tires I can fit without a lift???

Tron · 02-27-2007, 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by habanero

I'm kinda scared to ask any questions just in case I've missed it when I've searched 'cause sometimes people get a little rude about it...

What she said!

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02-27-2007, 09:53 AM	#1 (permalink)
*midiwall* Sponsoring Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seattleish, WA Posts: 9,102	Is it okay to tell someone to "SEARCH!" I and a couple of other folks have been called to task for telling people to "SEARCH!" when they ask about VERY common things like The Deckplate Mod, The ISR Mod, Seafoam, etc. Is this an okay thing to do? Why or Why not? My point in telling someone to search is that it reduces the duplicate information on the forum. People complain about the search engine, with a lot of the complaints being based around not being able to find what they're looking for. A LARGE part of that is because there is so much duplicate information! I think it's certainly okay to start a thread HERE on YT about 4-link suspension, that information is hard to find - but "deckplate" "isr mod" "seafoam"??? It's all over the place - including the tech writeups! Also, when _I_ tell someone to search, I almost always include an answer in the post. It could be in the form of my "obnoxious spinning SEARCH post", or it could be words, or it could be words and links. But 95% of the time I'm including an answer. What do you think? __________________ ~ Mark '96 4Runner Limited S/C MI - 370cc injectors, Air! horns, Airaid MIT, ATS A-arms, 285/75/R16 BFG MTs, Bored TB, Brembo slotted, Cobra 75 WXST, Deckplate, Downey headers, Hayden cooler, IPT valve body, Level 10 torque convertor, Meanstreak exhaust, OME/OME rears, On-board PC (XM, Nav, WiFi, etc), Port 'n Polish, Remote Start, SAW fronts, Hilux console, SMT-5, Stubb's sliders, Supra MAF, TJM-17, 2.0" pulley, Viair 450c, Walbro 190, Weasy2k cams Last edited by midiwall : 02-27-2007 at 09:57 AM.

02-27-2007, 09:59 AM	#2 (permalink)
*Corey* Co-Founder/Administrator Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 23,818	I think it is perfectly OK as long as it is done in a nice manner. I also surf the worlds biggest FJ Cruiser forum, and there is nothing new under the sun over there, it has been covered. I see tons of posts coming in from total newbs or older members who simply refuse to search, and it gets very old and tired fast. You get a lot of enthused new members too telling others about something they just heard or found when it has been covered in great detail a week or a month before. Searching first would solve about 90% of the reposts. But the flaming type of telling a newb as seen on other forums does not cut it here. __________________ Corey 2007 FJ Cruiser ARB bumper, Warn XD9000, OME lift, roof top tent, so much more, see my website & buildup thread PNW FJ Cruisers ☺ Detailing 101 ☺ Join Topsites ☺ Muffler Comparisons ☺ Maggiolinas In The Wild FJ Cruiser Buildup ☺ New Roof Top Tent ☺ Video Of My Penthouse ☺ Rehinge Your ARB/Engel Fridge

02-27-2007, 10:04 AM	#4 (permalink)
Stevo3 Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 452	Wait, whats this deckplate mod you speak of??? and seafoam, what do you do with that stuff? hehe just kiddin. just waiting for the now. Thats all i try to do, if there isnt a topic for what i searched for then i start one if your polite about it there shouldnt be anything wrong with that __________________ 96 4Runner SR5 S/C - 03' Tacoma coils 3'' Toytec Spacer lift with 1'' Diff Drop. 3 1/2'' Downey Rear lift Coil Springs. 285/75R/16 Goodyear MT/R.

02-27-2007, 10:04 AM	#5 (permalink)
Elton Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toledo,Oregon Posts: 9,132	did you guys make the search feature easier to use cause its not as good as it use to be __________________ My Truck 98 4runner SR5 3.4L 5spd 4x4 E-Locker Mods Mom 07 Tundra d-cab limited 5.7L 4x4 auto mom 92 pickup SR5 X-cab 3.0L 5spd 4x4 Papa 89 Pickup SR5 X-cab 4x4 3.0L 5spd/98 4runner SR5 4x4 auto 3.4L R.I.P 91 4runner SR5 4x4 3.0L 5spd Totaled 5/13/06 My Wreck

02-27-2007, 10:04 AM	#6 (permalink)
rezrunner92 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: South Carolina Posts: 402	Midiwall, Search this before you ask and you may find your answer. Just kidding but I searched the phrase "search!" and got back 27 pages. Lol. __________________ 1992 4Runner SR5, A340H, 3VZE, Stock suspension, Warn manual hubs, 31" x 15" tires. 1992 Reg Cab P/U, 22RE, 4x4 5spd, work truck. 1992 4Runner SR5, A340H, 3VZE, Running Boards, Sunroof, Roof Rack, Stock Mall Runner 160,000 actual miles, wiped out bottom end, good heads, good transmission and SWEET, paid $800

02-27-2007, 10:08 AM	#7 (permalink)
Elton Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toledo,Oregon Posts: 9,132	is the key to answer your question __________________ My Truck 98 4runner SR5 3.4L 5spd 4x4 E-Locker Mods Mom 07 Tundra d-cab limited 5.7L 4x4 auto mom 92 pickup SR5 X-cab 3.0L 5spd 4x4 Papa 89 Pickup SR5 X-cab 4x4 3.0L 5spd/98 4runner SR5 4x4 auto 3.4L R.I.P 91 4runner SR5 4x4 3.0L 5spd Totaled 5/13/06 My Wreck

02-27-2007, 10:16 AM	#9 (permalink)
Stevo3 Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 452	Midiwall now i understand why you made this thread lol, all you did was get straight to the point and tell him to search, you werent being harsh, just said this had been talked about in the past, and yeah, you did tell him places to do it too. __________________ 96 4Runner SR5 S/C - 03' Tacoma coils 3'' Toytec Spacer lift with 1'' Diff Drop. 3 1/2'' Downey Rear lift Coil Springs. 285/75R/16 Goodyear MT/R.

02-27-2007, 10:33 AM	#10 (permalink)
*midiwall* Sponsoring Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seattleish, WA Posts: 9,102	Thanks Steve... Thanks all... I'm seriously hoping to attract a couple of the folks that I've seemingly upset over here so we can work this out. __________________ ~ Mark '96 4Runner Limited S/C MI - 370cc injectors, Air! horns, Airaid MIT, ATS A-arms, 285/75/R16 BFG MTs, Bored TB, Brembo slotted, Cobra 75 WXST, Deckplate, Downey headers, Hayden cooler, IPT valve body, Level 10 torque convertor, Meanstreak exhaust, OME/OME rears, On-board PC (XM, Nav, WiFi, etc), Port 'n Polish, Remote Start, SAW fronts, Hilux console, SMT-5, Stubb's sliders, Supra MAF, TJM-17, 2.0" pulley, Viair 450c, Walbro 190, Weasy2k cams

02-27-2007, 10:48 AM	#11 (permalink)
garrett1478 Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2	always okay. NEVER REFRAIN.

02-27-2007, 10:58 AM	#13 (permalink)
*Corey* Co-Founder/Administrator Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 23,818	Contrary to being told here the search feature is better than ever before, it is not. I searched for Tofer's IT thread, and the search came back with zero results. I had to scan through a few pages to find it in Off Topic. So... The search engine here does not work like it use to in the past. That is out of my hands. __________________ Corey 2007 FJ Cruiser ARB bumper, Warn XD9000, OME lift, roof top tent, so much more, see my website & buildup thread PNW FJ Cruisers ☺ Detailing 101 ☺ Join Topsites ☺ Muffler Comparisons ☺ Maggiolinas In The Wild FJ Cruiser Buildup ☺ New Roof Top Tent ☺ Video Of My Penthouse ☺ Rehinge Your ARB/Engel Fridge

02-27-2007, 11:01 AM	#14 (permalink)
garrett1478 Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2	yeah i have noticed that the search function blows recently...

02-27-2007, 11:02 AM	#15 (permalink)
Buck01 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 600	I agree with Habanero...I always try to search cause I don't want to get the dreaded search you idiot reply...I have found that sometimes I can not find what I am looking for even when I know the exact text in the thread...and that I too sometimes find stuff you longtimers feel is a no brainer but it is new info to me. I read the thread then read the links supplied which are always a ppreciated. I don't mind being asked to search but don't just assume we didn't search and always supply a link or answer of some sort. This kinda goes along with the "don't pass along MISINFORMATION" replys... I think information is always good. I may believe something to be true that is in fact wrong but how will I ever know if I don't talk about it. __________________ 94 Toyota Truck 4x4 22RE, 5 Speed 175,000 MOD's include High performance Head with bigger valves and cam, LC engineering Header and complete exhaust kit. I have upgraded headlights with the wiring harrness and Hella H4 allweather bulbs. lift shackels in the rear 3 inch BL

02-27-2007, 11:12 AM	#16 (permalink)
seanz0rz Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cal Poly Pomona or Redlands, CA Posts: 1,290	maybe if our searched worked, id yell at them. however, since it doesnt most of the time (looking for threads that i posted and know the exact phrase doesnt bring them up), ill help them __________________ 1998 Toyota 4Runner SR5 V6 4x4 in Evergreen Pearl Metallic, Sonoran Steel #1, 285/75R16 BFG A/T, Elocker retrofit, Tundra calipers, brembo blanks, hawk lts pads, CarPC in custom center console with molded Indash touchscreen, KC daylighters mounted on Surco Safari rack, Custom sound system, 4xinnovation sliders, sleeping platform, Shrockworks front bumper, 1" 4crawler body lift, etc. Pictures Photobucket is being updated, if a picture i posted no longer works, please PM me.