runnerboy97

I helped my buddy twin stick his truck the other weekend. its an 87 toy. He asked why i dont do it. I checked marlins site, its listed for our year 4runners, but not the shift on the fly models. Does anyone know why ot wont work for us?

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BruceTS

Twin sticks will work, but it'll take alot more work to get the shifters to work separately. The transfer case needs to be completely dissassembled to remove the shift forks to have a bit of grinding to be done to it and the lockouts on the shafts removed. It's not a simple procedure, but when I was at Marlin's shop he showed me exactly how to do it.

44Runner

it is pointless as we can't get "true" twin stick function. Waste of time and money IMHO...

crash

I agree....

BruceTS

OK, the High and Low Shift Fork Shaft had an overlapping tooth that prevents the shifters from working independent, to the Front Drive Shift Fork Shaft, that has to be ground off. That pin can be cut out from the top if you could prevent the debris from entering the case, but then there's a Shift Interlock Pin, that prevent the shift fork shafts from moving independently, that has to be removed and the only way possible, is to dissassemble the case, once this is done you have "TRUE" twin stick function.

Once I get me a spare transfer case, I plan on doing the modification myself. If your mechanically inclined, it's easy to do, but for the novice, don't attempt it.

BruceTS

Here's an image

toy283

They're saying that you cannot have "true" twin-stick capability because FWD is not an available option like it is with Atlas and D300 cases. This is until Marlins case becomes available to the public. Personally, I don't have any need for FWD. I wanted a twin-stick, because I needed that in order to make a triple-stick and have all the shifters in the stock hole:

Napoleon047

do you have the full manual or half electric t-case?

if its half electric, just cut the blue wire to the t-case, then you will have the equivalent of a twin stick. i.e. you can be in 2wd low

runnerboy97

thanks for the info guys. i wasnt really planning on doing it, i was just wondering if and how it would work, now i know.
napolian- i guess i ahve the full manual, cause i dont have the little button for 4 high.

44Runner

Time to get everyone on board...

First off let me pose this question to you. Why the hell would you ever need to be in 2wd low?

Now if you can answer that question logically, then maybe you actually need a "twin stick" toy case. If you are like me and have no idea what the hell that is good for then you don't. 2wd low is pointless, there is NO NEED for it. Now if you are just looking to look cool with more shifters then you are dumb and you should give this extra coin that your want to drop on a worthless mod to me.

A "real" twin stick has of course 2 sticks. One controls high/low, the other controls FWD/4WD/RWD. That is a true twin stick. That actually has a use, although most of us still don't need it. Atlas t-cases work like this. Dana 300s and NP205s and probably some others can be easily converted to work like this.

Until just recently this was not possible on ANY toy cases. Now with marlin's new conversion you can do it on an old gear drive case but I don't think the kit is out yet. Not to mention this is still not an "easy" conversion and costs tons of money while it is VERY cheap and easy to do to the other cases. Later model case like ours are still not able to do true twin stick by any means known...

4Crawler

I use 2WD low all the time, but then I do have dual cases and this is a "freebie" feature. I too want twin (or actually triple) sticks so I can move the rear sticks forward to where the stock t-case shifter would normally be. This is so I can have the space taken by the rear sticks freed up for a custom center console.

2WD low is handy to avoid having to hop out and unlock the hubs if you need lower gearing on a high traction surface while doing tight turns.

Flygtenstein

Where do you need 2-lo or better yet two double low?

The answer in my mind is Moab. Extremely high traction such that just disengaging the ARB was not enough to turn as tight as I wanted.

I do not see the point of Fwd without cutting breaks.

beachtaco

the only time i see a use for twin sticks is if you are locked in front. that way you can disengage the front driveshaft for tight turns and not worrying about breaking a CV, birf, or steering parts on the front axle or IFS.

toy283

Bingo! I'm spooled in front. Turning really sux sometimes, even in 2wd. In 4wd it can be downright impossible.

44Runner

I know a ton of people who are spooled in the front. I don't get it. Why summit yourself to such torture. They all bitch and moan about it.

Now I know I am most likely way on the outside on this one, but I feel that even for just the recreational wheeler, a selectable front is the only option. That way you're not "that" guy doing all the three point turns all over the damn trail...

44Runner

There isn't much...

I personally have done some wickedly tight trails and never needed such an option. The only time I can see where it would come into play would be in competition where you need a quick solution...

Napoleon047

even with a lock-rite or a detroit, i have seen the difference that 2-low will make

914runner

if i would have known of this mod before the hunting season i would have gotten it. the reason is while traveling at slow speeds in 2wd high my shifter would pop out of 1st gear. so i got the manual hubs so i could drive around in 2nd or 3rd gear low range and still turn. this mod would have been great so if i wanted i wouldnt have to get out of the rig and lock the hubs, i could just move a shifter. now that is why i feel i have a need for marlins twin stick.
Thanks

arjan

On my '91 I had manual locking hubs and the add. I sometimes used 2wd low (hubs unlocking & 4wd low) for backing up my trailer from the back lane around the corner into the carport. I slowed everthing down just enough so I didn't have to let the clutch in & out to check the corners of the trailer.

With my current '97 I would have to use 4wd low which binds like crazy on the asphalt, especially around the corners.