T100 IFS on a 1990 Pickup?

ckblum · 05-25-2009, 05:28 PM

Hey I was just wondering if T100 front suspension would fit on my 1990 4x4. I thought since the Total Chaos LT kit fits both the pickups and T100's that the suspension must be similar but just differ in track width.

I was hoping to just throw on T100 IFS and axles to get a bit wider track and maybe a bit stronger too. I have found a couple dirt cheap T100's with blown engines or trannies. I was hoping to modify it for more travel too.

I just bought this truck a few weeks ago and it's my first Toyota ever, I used to be a Ranger guy before until I found this wicked deal.

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BerHntr · 05-26-2009, 12:15 PM

I know its different but there's a guy on another forum that im on that put titan suspension on his frontier to do the same thing. He was 2wd though.

ckblum · 05-26-2009, 04:41 PM

Yea, I want long travel but it's so expensive. I would even be happy if I could get some uniball UCA's and shock hoops but even that would run in the $2000 it seems once I buy the front shocks. I was hoping the T100 IFS would bolt right up and give me wider track width and a base to work off of.

tc · 05-26-2009, 09:38 PM

The arms are the same as what you have now, so is the diff. Since the frame is wider, the axles have to be longer.

ckblum · 05-26-2009, 11:08 PM

Oh ok, I thought the arms would've been a bit longer or something but the width is added in the frame. That's alright though, does anyone make just upper control arms? I was thinking of just gaining suspension travel by piecing it together over time, not really sure where to start though.

NicCantDecide · 05-29-2009, 11:52 AM

You can't really piece together a long travel kit.

If you buy a longer UCA, your camber's going to be extremely positive and your travel's not going to change. Even if you get both UCA and LCA, unless you put a limiting strap on them you'll tear open your stock shocks.

Its an all or nothing deal once you want to change the suspension geometry that much.

ckblum · 05-29-2009, 05:47 PM

I know that, I've researched LT for quite a while (mostly for Ranger's though). But I know a lot of companies offer uniball UCA's to increase travel, I meant just a stock width one. Pretty much if I could put together a mid travel kit that would be good for now. As long as I keep things stock width I can do it piece by piece.

I just can't find any UCA's and suspension pieces. Maybe I should try to get a cheap 4x4 and use it as a mock up/test piece, I really only want to front section of the frame and some spare IFS pieces. There doesn't seem to be a lot to the TC kit, it's just really nicely welded and put together, other than that it's just pieces of steel.

NicCantDecide · 05-29-2009, 05:54 PM

I think TC sells their uniballs separately, but it may only be for the LCA. You'll get more travel out of it, but I wouldn't expect more than an inch or two. By the time you're done with all the part finding and tinkering you probably could've saved up enough money to buy a real long travel kit.

I would personally just wait. Do it once, do it right. If you're worried about money now, making your own long travel kit isn't something you should be doing.

ckblum · 05-29-2009, 06:02 PM

Plain steel is way cheaper to cut, bend and weld together compared to paying over $2000 plus shipping a duty (everythings more expensive in Canada), paying for shock mounts etc.

That's the one thing I liked about Rangers, you didn't have to be a big baller to get a decent suspension setup going, even in a 4x4. I think the same applies for Toyota's and I am sticking to it even if I am wrong. You can always do stuff for cheap and that doesn't automatically mean it's gonna be crap. Plus I would like to practice more fabricating anyways so I really don't mind, which is why I would thinking of getting a cheap truck just to cut and weld and experiment on.

NicCantDecide · 05-29-2009, 06:12 PM

Oh you're in canada. That changes everything haha. I hear the duties are really bad.

I'd love a long travel kit myself, but I also don't have the money for it and my truck's a daily driver so I can't tinker with it like I want to. If you can find bolt on uniballs then try it out. I don't know how good of a fabricator you are, but if you're confident and you've got a spare truck then might as well go for it.

ckblum · 05-29-2009, 08:05 PM

Yea, I am waiting to get a welder right now. I have access to a full metal shop at school up until November, I am taking an Aircraft Structures class. I hope to take a metal fabrication class after this too, the AS Tech is a lot of aluminum and riveting, which is real cool to learn and I will most likely end up working in this field but I also wanna learn more welding and steel fabrication. I am a hands on kinda guy so I am pretty confident picking up and using tools.

And yea, so much for "free trade" haha. I bought a Fox jersey off eBay a little while ago for about $25 Cdn after shipping. When it arrived the courier asked me to pay $45 in duties and brokerage fees haha.

05-26-2009, 12:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
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05-26-2009, 04:41 PM	#3 (permalink)
ckblum Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 56	Yea, I want long travel but it's so expensive. I would even be happy if I could get some uniball UCA's and shock hoops but even that would run in the $2000 it seems once I buy the front shocks. I was hoping the T100 IFS would bolt right up and give me wider track width and a base to work off of.

05-26-2009, 11:08 PM	#5 (permalink)
ckblum Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 56	Oh ok, I thought the arms would've been a bit longer or something but the width is added in the frame. That's alright though, does anyone make just upper control arms? I was thinking of just gaining suspension travel by piecing it together over time, not really sure where to start though.

05-29-2009, 11:52 AM	#6 (permalink)
NicCantDecide Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 330	You can't really piece together a long travel kit. If you buy a longer UCA, your camber's going to be extremely positive and your travel's not going to change. Even if you get both UCA and LCA, unless you put a limiting strap on them you'll tear open your stock shocks. Its an all or nothing deal once you want to change the suspension geometry that much.

05-29-2009, 05:47 PM	#7 (permalink)
ckblum Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 56	I know that, I've researched LT for quite a while (mostly for Ranger's though). But I know a lot of companies offer uniball UCA's to increase travel, I meant just a stock width one. Pretty much if I could put together a mid travel kit that would be good for now. As long as I keep things stock width I can do it piece by piece. I just can't find any UCA's and suspension pieces. Maybe I should try to get a cheap 4x4 and use it as a mock up/test piece, I really only want to front section of the frame and some spare IFS pieces. There doesn't seem to be a lot to the TC kit, it's just really nicely welded and put together, other than that it's just pieces of steel.

05-29-2009, 05:54 PM	#8 (permalink)
NicCantDecide Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 330	I think TC sells their uniballs separately, but it may only be for the LCA. You'll get more travel out of it, but I wouldn't expect more than an inch or two. By the time you're done with all the part finding and tinkering you probably could've saved up enough money to buy a real long travel kit. I would personally just wait. Do it once, do it right. If you're worried about money now, making your own long travel kit isn't something you should be doing.

05-29-2009, 06:02 PM	#9 (permalink)
ckblum Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 56	Plain steel is way cheaper to cut, bend and weld together compared to paying over $2000 plus shipping a duty (everythings more expensive in Canada), paying for shock mounts etc. That's the one thing I liked about Rangers, you didn't have to be a big baller to get a decent suspension setup going, even in a 4x4. I think the same applies for Toyota's and I am sticking to it even if I am wrong. You can always do stuff for cheap and that doesn't automatically mean it's gonna be crap. Plus I would like to practice more fabricating anyways so I really don't mind, which is why I would thinking of getting a cheap truck just to cut and weld and experiment on.

05-29-2009, 06:12 PM	#10 (permalink)
NicCantDecide Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 330	Oh you're in canada. That changes everything haha. I hear the duties are really bad. I'd love a long travel kit myself, but I also don't have the money for it and my truck's a daily driver so I can't tinker with it like I want to. If you can find bolt on uniballs then try it out. I don't know how good of a fabricator you are, but if you're confident and you've got a spare truck then might as well go for it.

05-29-2009, 08:05 PM	#11 (permalink)
ckblum Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 56	Yea, I am waiting to get a welder right now. I have access to a full metal shop at school up until November, I am taking an Aircraft Structures class. I hope to take a metal fabrication class after this too, the AS Tech is a lot of aluminum and riveting, which is real cool to learn and I will most likely end up working in this field but I also wanna learn more welding and steel fabrication. I am a hands on kinda guy so I am pretty confident picking up and using tools. And yea, so much for "free trade" haha. I bought a Fox jersey off eBay a little while ago for about $25 Cdn after shipping. When it arrived the courier asked me to pay $45 in duties and brokerage fees haha.