Ranski's 85 4Runner Buildup - Page 2

Ranski · 04-01-2006, 08:49 PM

I currently have an automatic in my 85' 4Runner. I have stumbled across a W56-A 5spd and transfer case locally. It has 100,000 miles on it. The owner is willing to take $250 for it.

I realize InchWorm has come up with an adaptor InchWorm so that I could run a gear driven TC behind my auto...but is that the best way to go...thus being able to run run a crawl box as well. Seems like the 5spd would be easier/less expensive to service in the long run.

The thing I hated most about my auto on my 00' 4Runner was the fact that the torque convertor would never catch up on steep descents and I had to use the brakes way too much...and in most case would lock up tires causing the ass end to come around...not good in my opinion.

So should I pick up the tranny & tc and swap it out over the winter?

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Ranski · 04-01-2006, 08:52 PM

I know I will need to modify my driveshafts to accomodate the 4" lift. I haven't found anywhere where people have mentioned what they ended up paying for DS modification.

Seems like some folks have run the rear axle with no modification, but experience vibration...the suggestions have been to run a CV type rear DS.

Any thoughts on what I might end up paying to have this work done would be appreciated.

getitdone · 04-01-2006, 10:08 PM

I am planning on building a square driveshaft with my stock parts. Check out pirate's FAQ for it.

Ranski · 04-11-2006, 08:36 PM

Well last week I rallied the troops and made alot of progress. You know when the guy that volunteered to help you wiht the welding shows up with this you are in for a good time

Here are a couple of pics of the front suspension and steering.

Things went pretty smooth.

The things that caught me off gaurd were:

How long it would take to cut a hole in order to move the steering box far enough forward.
How long it would take to drill holes in frame for steering box reinforcing plates. I went with the Front Range Off Road kit. NOTE: it did require me to drill out the mounting holes in the steering box to accomodate their slightly larger bolts.

I still have a few clean-up items like reconnecting the power steering hoses as well as the brake lines.

I totally forgot I need to order wheel spacers since I'm using the rims from my IFS truck that have a 4.25 BS.

I'm guessing I will need to go with a 2" spacer

In the coming weeks I will be tearing out the rear end.

Ranski · 04-11-2006, 08:38 PM

What do you guys think about me using the spacer I have from my Roger Brown Body lift that I had on my 00' 4Runner to lengthen the driveshaft on this project?

**waskillywabbit** · 04-11-2006, 09:12 PM

Looks good so far!

You want one of these out of a mini Toy truck.

OEM on top.

Mini truck on bottom.

And yes, moving the steering box forward, drilling the holes and mounting the sucker was a PITA. Just wait until you take it off again to add hydro assist and you'll have forgotten what a mess it makes to unhook and how heavy it is to pick up too.

Ranski · 05-02-2006, 07:01 PM

It has been awhile since I posted so I thought I would give an update. I slowed down a bit since alot of other things in life are going on...like my boss got fired and all eyes are on me to pick up the slack and possibly take over.

The good news is I located a w56 5spd w/ tc and a spare tc...I picked them up on Sunday and should be ordering the dual case adaptor in the coming weeks. The plan is to run stock 2.28 gears in both cases for a while and see if it is good enough for the stuff I wheel.

That's all for now...

getitdone · 05-02-2006, 10:23 PM

Killer, good luck with work.

tulsa_97SR5 · 05-03-2006, 04:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ranski

I totally forgot I need to order wheel spacers since I'm using the rims from my IFS truck that have a 4.25 BS.

I'm guessing I will need to go with a 2" spacer

I don't think you'll need that much, my 85 came with 1st/ 2nd gen alloys and just used the universal type 1/2" spacer, the kind that is basically a huge washer with lots of different holes for different bolt patterns. I plan to go 1" from Marlin, if I can ever get my honey-do's beat down far enough to get back to it.

Napoleon047 · 05-03-2006, 10:18 AM

since you are using histeer, you will need a 1.5" spacer to clear the steering

Ranski · 05-03-2006, 10:50 AM

the rims I'm running have 4.25 or 4.5 backspacing. will 1.5 inch spacers be enough? I was thinking I might need to go to 2"

Napoleon047 · 05-04-2006, 09:02 AM

im running stock SR5 alloys and 1.5" spacers on the front with no issues. im pretty sure my wheels are 4.5" BS and im running a 12.5" wide tire on 7" rim, so the tires stick out past that.

91_4x4runner · 05-04-2006, 05:12 PM

Can't wait to see updates on this myself.

Ranski · 05-07-2006, 07:54 PM

Well I ordered my dual case adaptor from Marlin on Firday. I was able to get the TC torn down over the weekend. So hopefully by next weekend I will be putting the adaptor on.

Ranski · 07-08-2006, 02:52 PM

Man I can't believe I haven't posted since MAY!

Well I finally got around to putting the crawl box together and the parts for my rear lift arrived on Friday. Pretty staright forward except for the heavy duty snap ring that comes with the kit. I lost it in the garage for about an hour after it shot off the snap ring pliers. Ended up in a bucket in the far corner of the garage.

I then followed Marlin's suggestion and had a buddy help me out.

I ended up going with the 23-spline set-up, Marlin had the 21-spline coupler on back order and I wasn't interested in waiting. They made a good deal on the 23-spline output shaft.

Here are a couple of pics

**waskillywabbit** · 07-08-2006, 02:57 PM

AWESOME. I'll be following this as I just got myself some duals, but I'm going to put 4.7s in and swap over to a 23 spline coupler myself and use LONGFIELD's new chromoly output shaft...2 times as strong as stock.

Don't wait so long to post this time.

Dingman · 07-09-2006, 03:41 PM

Wow, that makes my silly little build look amatureish. <sp>
Nice!@

Ranski · 07-09-2006, 06:47 PM

Hey Dingman I checked out your site. Nice job on the body work and paint. I hope mine turns out as nice.

My plan at this point is to get it mechanically ready to wheel by fall and attack all the body work this winter.

Where do you live in Iowa?

Ranski · 07-16-2006, 07:57 PM

Well the challenge has been laid down. I need to get up and running by the end of September, actually the first of Septmeber to go through some breakin.

Our TLCA club is hosting a national TLCA event at the end of September.

Here is the location - http://www.flatnasty.net/

Here is the registration site - http://tacsite.mynewweb30.com/catalo...?products_id=1

Looks like I'll be burning some vacation time to get the rest of the stuff done.

...install crawl box
...install turbo output shaft on rear tc
...Manual to 5spd swap
...rebuild rearend
...install rear lift
...change timing belt

It's gonna be close.
...build bumpers and sliders

OutdoorLiving · 07-17-2006, 04:52 AM

Ranski · 07-21-2006, 09:53 PM

What a pain.

In order to replace the 21-spline input shaft with the 23-spline shaft you pretty much have to tear down most of the transfer case.

What was weird is that there were no gaskets between each of the tc housings.

I need to have the bearing removed from the old shaft and installed on the new.

For stuff like this I usually stop by the dealer for an oil change on the Sequoia and ask one of the mechanics if they can swap them out. They typically do it for no charge.

Here are a couple of pics.

Ringmaster · 07-22-2006, 12:54 AM

Great build! It's good to see an old neglected rig get worked over, keep up the good work! :bigclap:

Dingman · 07-22-2006, 05:36 AM

Sorry for slow reply, I'm just - well, slow.

I live in Des Moines and mostly wheel near Knoxville.
Thanks for the compliments on mine, it's not bad, but I could have done better. If I don't smash up the body this year, I'll paint it again this winter (properly) and I'm also going to dupli-color the bottom third like that grey '85 runner that you may have seen on my website.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ranski

Hey Dingman I checked out your site. Nice job on the body work and paint. I hope mine turns out as nice.

My plan at this point is to get it mechanically ready to wheel by fall and attack all the body work this winter.

Where do you live in Iowa?

Ranski · 01-10-2007, 07:21 PM

Holy Cr*p! I can't believe it was July when I posted my last update...YIKES.

NOTE: I will get the photos on this thread taken care of in the next couple of weeks. The server they were on went down.

Well needless to say I have made a little progress.

I finished building the crawl box and mounted it up to the tranny.

I pulled the auto tranny and installed the 5sp (w56). I went with the BudBuilt crossmember.

I pulled the rear axle and sandblasted/primed/painted the housing.

Had 5.29's and Aussie installed and reassembled rear axle.

Tomorrow night I will be tacking up the new spring hangers for the Marlin 5" Springs.

Once thats complete I need to have the driveshafts rebuilt and get the brakes bled and working.

I'll try to post up some pics after we get the rear suspension finished up.

Ranski · 01-10-2007, 08:30 PM

I got some of the picture links fixed

04-01-2006, 08:52 PM	#27 (permalink)
Ranski Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shawnee, KS Posts: 346	Driveshaft question I know I will need to modify my driveshafts to accomodate the 4" lift. I haven't found anywhere where people have mentioned what they ended up paying for DS modification. Seems like some folks have run the rear axle with no modification, but experience vibration...the suggestions have been to run a CV type rear DS. Any thoughts on what I might end up paying to have this work done would be appreciated. __________________ Randy 2006 Sequoia 1985 4Runner: Build-up has begun Build-up Thread: http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=80743 www.tornadoalleycruisers.com TLCA #12443

04-01-2006, 10:08 PM	#28 (permalink)
getitdone Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ft. Collins, Co Posts: 1,006	I am planning on building a square driveshaft with my stock parts. Check out pirate's FAQ for it. __________________ Chris Fischer 3D 85 4Runner SR5 \| 33" BFG M/T on flat black rims \| Chevy springs \| Custom Grab cage with overhead cb mount \| Custom fabbed center console \| Freshly rebuilt axle with IFS hub/caliper swap \| Rock Sliders \| Lots more... In Colorado, Dig.

04-11-2006, 08:36 PM	#29 (permalink)
Ranski Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shawnee, KS Posts: 346	Well last week I rallied the troops and made alot of progress. You know when the guy that volunteered to help you wiht the welding shows up with this you are in for a good time Here are a couple of pics of the front suspension and steering. Things went pretty smooth. The things that caught me off gaurd were: How long it would take to cut a hole in order to move the steering box far enough forward. How long it would take to drill holes in frame for steering box reinforcing plates. I went with the Front Range Off Road kit. NOTE: it did require me to drill out the mounting holes in the steering box to accomodate their slightly larger bolts. I still have a few clean-up items like reconnecting the power steering hoses as well as the brake lines. I totally forgot I need to order wheel spacers since I'm using the rims from my IFS truck that have a 4.25 BS. I'm guessing I will need to go with a 2" spacer In the coming weeks I will be tearing out the rear end. __________________ Randy 2006 Sequoia 1985 4Runner: Build-up has begun Build-up Thread: http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=80743 www.tornadoalleycruisers.com TLCA #12443 Last edited by Ranski; 08-01-2008 at 09:30 PM.

04-11-2006, 08:38 PM	#30 (permalink)
Ranski Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shawnee, KS Posts: 346	Steering Shaft lengthing What do you guys think about me using the spacer I have from my Roger Brown Body lift that I had on my 00' 4Runner to lengthen the driveshaft on this project? __________________ Randy 2006 Sequoia 1985 4Runner: Build-up has begun Build-up Thread: http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=80743 www.tornadoalleycruisers.com TLCA #12443 Last edited by Ranski; 08-01-2008 at 09:31 PM.

04-11-2006, 09:12 PM	#31 (permalink)
waskillywabbit Super Moderator-Sponsoring Member Staff Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Tuscaloosa, AL Posts: 14,463	Looks good so far! You want one of these out of a mini Toy truck. OEM on top. Mini truck on bottom. And yes, moving the steering box forward, drilling the holes and mounting the sucker was a PITA. Just wait until you take it off again to add hydro assist and you'll have forgotten what a mess it makes to unhook and how heavy it is to pick up too. __________________ WabFab Off-Road, LLC MySpace Twitter Facebook 7th Annual South East 4Runner Jamboree, 2010 The toughest part of a Jeep is the chick driving it. Last edited by waskillywabbit; 07-16-2006 at 08:12 PM.

05-02-2006, 07:01 PM	#32 (permalink)
Ranski Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shawnee, KS Posts: 346	Update It has been awhile since I posted so I thought I would give an update. I slowed down a bit since alot of other things in life are going on...like my boss got fired and all eyes are on me to pick up the slack and possibly take over. The good news is I located a w56 5spd w/ tc and a spare tc...I picked them up on Sunday and should be ordering the dual case adaptor in the coming weeks. The plan is to run stock 2.28 gears in both cases for a while and see if it is good enough for the stuff I wheel. That's all for now... __________________ Randy 2006 Sequoia 1985 4Runner: Build-up has begun Build-up Thread: http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=80743 www.tornadoalleycruisers.com TLCA #12443

05-02-2006, 10:23 PM	#33 (permalink)
getitdone Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ft. Collins, Co Posts: 1,006	Killer, good luck with work. __________________ Chris Fischer 3D 85 4Runner SR5 \| 33" BFG M/T on flat black rims \| Chevy springs \| Custom Grab cage with overhead cb mount \| Custom fabbed center console \| Freshly rebuilt axle with IFS hub/caliper swap \| Rock Sliders \| Lots more... In Colorado, Dig.

05-03-2006, 10:18 AM	#35 (permalink)
Napoleon047 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 995	since you are using histeer, you will need a 1.5" spacer to clear the steering __________________ -Peter 86 4runner SAS - Trail Rig 94 FZJ80 - DD the dirt cheap SAS Marko Customs

05-03-2006, 10:50 AM	#36 (permalink)
Ranski Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shawnee, KS Posts: 346	the rims I'm running have 4.25 or 4.5 backspacing. will 1.5 inch spacers be enough? I was thinking I might need to go to 2" __________________ Randy 2006 Sequoia 1985 4Runner: Build-up has begun Build-up Thread: http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=80743 www.tornadoalleycruisers.com TLCA #12443

05-04-2006, 09:02 AM	#37 (permalink)
Napoleon047 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 995	im running stock SR5 alloys and 1.5" spacers on the front with no issues. im pretty sure my wheels are 4.5" BS and im running a 12.5" wide tire on 7" rim, so the tires stick out past that. __________________ -Peter 86 4runner SAS - Trail Rig 94 FZJ80 - DD the dirt cheap SAS Marko Customs

05-04-2006, 05:12 PM	#38 (permalink)
91_4x4runner Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 1,078	Can't wait to see updates on this myself. __________________ ~Eric 1991 4Runner 3.0L 4x4 Black, 31" Michelin M/S tires, OME-901's 1992 Lexus SC400 4.0 V8, Green with Tan interior (donor) (PM me for parts) Near Future: FI 1UZ swap. (June) Far Future mods: F/R Lockers, SAS, 35's. UZswap.com - A discussion forum dedicated specifically to swapping UZ engines into Toyota trucks and 4Runners

05-07-2006, 07:54 PM	#39 (permalink)
Ranski Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shawnee, KS Posts: 346	Well I ordered my dual case adaptor from Marlin on Firday. I was able to get the TC torn down over the weekend. So hopefully by next weekend I will be putting the adaptor on. __________________ Randy 2006 Sequoia 1985 4Runner: Build-up has begun Build-up Thread: http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=80743 www.tornadoalleycruisers.com TLCA #12443 Last edited by Ranski; 08-01-2008 at 09:25 PM.

07-08-2006, 02:52 PM	#40 (permalink)
Ranski Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shawnee, KS Posts: 346	Update Man I can't believe I haven't posted since MAY! Well I finally got around to putting the crawl box together and the parts for my rear lift arrived on Friday. Pretty staright forward except for the heavy duty snap ring that comes with the kit. I lost it in the garage for about an hour after it shot off the snap ring pliers. Ended up in a bucket in the far corner of the garage. I then followed Marlin's suggestion and had a buddy help me out. I ended up going with the 23-spline set-up, Marlin had the 21-spline coupler on back order and I wasn't interested in waiting. They made a good deal on the 23-spline output shaft. Here are a couple of pics __________________ Randy 2006 Sequoia 1985 4Runner: Build-up has begun Build-up Thread: http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=80743 www.tornadoalleycruisers.com TLCA #12443 Last edited by Ranski; 08-01-2008 at 09:26 PM.

07-08-2006, 02:57 PM	#41 (permalink)
waskillywabbit Super Moderator-Sponsoring Member Staff Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Tuscaloosa, AL Posts: 14,463	AWESOME. I'll be following this as I just got myself some duals, but I'm going to put 4.7s in and swap over to a 23 spline coupler myself and use LONGFIELD's new chromoly output shaft...2 times as strong as stock. Don't wait so long to post this time. __________________ WabFab Off-Road, LLC MySpace Twitter Facebook 7th Annual South East 4Runner Jamboree, 2010 The toughest part of a Jeep is the chick driving it.

07-09-2006, 03:41 PM	#42 (permalink)
Dingman Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Iowa Posts: 258	Wow, that makes my silly little build look amatureish. <sp> Nice!@

07-09-2006, 06:47 PM	#43 (permalink)
Ranski Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shawnee, KS Posts: 346	Hey Dingman I checked out your site. Nice job on the body work and paint. I hope mine turns out as nice. My plan at this point is to get it mechanically ready to wheel by fall and attack all the body work this winter. Where do you live in Iowa? __________________ Randy 2006 Sequoia 1985 4Runner: Build-up has begun Build-up Thread: http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=80743 www.tornadoalleycruisers.com TLCA #12443

07-16-2006, 07:57 PM	#44 (permalink)
Ranski Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shawnee, KS Posts: 346	Well the challenge has been laid down. I need to get up and running by the end of September, actually the first of Septmeber to go through some breakin. Our TLCA club is hosting a national TLCA event at the end of September. Here is the location - http://www.flatnasty.net/ Here is the registration site - http://tacsite.mynewweb30.com/catalo...?products_id=1 Looks like I'll be burning some vacation time to get the rest of the stuff done. ...install crawl box ...install turbo output shaft on rear tc ...Manual to 5spd swap ...rebuild rearend ...install rear lift ...change timing belt It's gonna be close. ...build bumpers and sliders __________________ Randy 2006 Sequoia 1985 4Runner: Build-up has begun Build-up Thread: http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=80743 www.tornadoalleycruisers.com TLCA #12443

07-21-2006, 09:53 PM	#46 (permalink)
Ranski Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shawnee, KS Posts: 346	Update What a pain. In order to replace the 21-spline input shaft with the 23-spline shaft you pretty much have to tear down most of the transfer case. What was weird is that there were no gaskets between each of the tc housings. I need to have the bearing removed from the old shaft and installed on the new. For stuff like this I usually stop by the dealer for an oil change on the Sequoia and ask one of the mechanics if they can swap them out. They typically do it for no charge. Here are a couple of pics. __________________ Randy 2006 Sequoia 1985 4Runner: Build-up has begun Build-up Thread: http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=80743 www.tornadoalleycruisers.com TLCA #12443 Last edited by Ranski; 01-10-2007 at 08:26 PM.

07-22-2006, 12:54 AM	#47 (permalink)
Ringmaster Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Spokane Valley Washington Posts: 814	Great build! It's good to see an old neglected rig get worked over, keep up the good work! :bigclap: __________________ 99 4Runner, 3.4, 5 spd., Manually shifted E-Locker, 4:30 gears, 285/75/16 MTR's, Airbox mod through the bottom of the inner fender.

01-10-2007, 07:21 PM	#49 (permalink)
Ranski Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shawnee, KS Posts: 346	Holy Crp! I can't believe it was July when I posted my last update...YIKES. NOTE: I will get the photos on this thread taken care of in the next couple of weeks. The server they were on went down. Well needless to say I have made a little progress. I finished building the crawl box and mounted it up to the tranny. I pulled the auto tranny and installed the 5sp (w56). I went with the BudBuilt crossmember. I pulled the rear axle and sandblasted/primed/painted the housing. Had 5.29's and Aussie installed and reassembled rear axle. Tomorrow night I will be tacking up the new spring hangers for the Marlin 5" Springs. Once thats complete I need to have the driveshafts rebuilt and get the brakes bled and working. I'll try to post up some pics after we get the rear suspension finished up. __________________ Randy 2006 Sequoia 1985 4Runner: Build-up has begun Build-up Thread: http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=80743 www.tornadoalleycruisers.com TLCA #12443 Last edited by Ranski; 01-10-2007 at 08:07 PM.*

01-10-2007, 08:30 PM	#50 (permalink)
Ranski Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Shawnee, KS Posts: 346	I got some of the picture links fixed __________________ Randy 2006 Sequoia 1985 4Runner: Build-up has begun Build-up Thread: http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=80743 www.tornadoalleycruisers.com TLCA #12443

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