miller 180 mig good enough for SAS?

YOTA666 · 05-28-2009, 10:34 AM

Hey guys, I am plannin on SAS'ing my 88 4runner in the next month or so. I have a miller 180 mig welder that I was hoping to use. Does anyone have any experience with this welder/know if its capable of penetrating enough to get a nice strong weld?

Thanks!

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toylocost · 05-28-2009, 10:56 AM

I've never done one before but I would guess youd want a 220 welder for the hangers at least.

TOYOTA 1 · 05-28-2009, 11:00 AM

if its this one http://www.millerwelds.com/products/...c_180_autoset/ it should be perfect. there should be a rating table on the inside panel.

toylocost · 05-28-2009, 11:06 AM

ah, there you go. Info from someone who knows what they are talking about. That one is 220. lol

swapped89 · 05-28-2009, 11:35 AM

I borrowed a miller 220 from my buddy to do my swap. But me and my dad recently split the cost on a used miller 172 challenger 220 volt. i use it for everything and if i had it when i did my swap i would be confident it would do the job just fine. You should be good with the 180 just get the settings right before you have at it

drew303 · 05-28-2009, 11:55 AM

180 is plenty capable!

fillsrunner4 · 05-28-2009, 12:07 PM

I used it for my sas and more. Will work great for ya.

YOTA666 · 05-28-2009, 01:34 PM

Sweet thanks alot for all the replies!

4rnr · 05-28-2009, 04:42 PM

ah thats my dream welder!

I did my sas with a 110v flux core lincoln, as well as my cage, and every other cage, slider, bumper, etc...ive ever fabbed. And My welds have never broke. And many people on this board will vouch for my abusive testing.

#@%* the haters

bigt · 05-28-2009, 05:18 PM

wow 4rnr that is some good inspiration!!!
i just went to gas in my little lincoln cause im building a suzuki body..
but the flux works good for thicker stuff!! good too see this little machine will be fine once the operator gets a little better!

4rnr · 05-28-2009, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigt

wow 4rnr that is some good inspiration!!!
i just went to gas in my little lincoln cause im building a suzuki body..
but the flux works good for thicker stuff!! good too see this little machine will be fine once the operator gets a little better!

Yeah I bought it to learn on and havent upgraded yet. As long as you know what you are doing I believe it to be plenty strong. I have a friend with a miller 180 and he may be selling it soon, and I may pick it up, and convert the lincoln to gas so i can do sheet with it. (Its hard to do sheet well with a flux core). But I cant really justify it. I love look on peoples faces when they are looking over my truck and find out that my welds (that ive been beating on for years) are 110 flux.

algranger · 05-28-2009, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4rnr

ah thats my dream welder!

I did my sas with a 110v flux core lincoln, as well as my cage, and every other cage, slider, bumper, etc...ive ever fabbed. And My welds have never broke. And many people on this board will vouch for my abusive testing.

#@%* the haters

Right on man i'm still running one of those i've fabricated hangers welded them on along with all sorts of other stuff

I know Plumbrbob runs one too

YOTA666 · 05-28-2009, 10:58 PM

you guys are nuts! hahaha, I'd never trust my welds with a 110 volt welder! Are your trucks strictly for offroad use only?? I'd be paranoid about my axles fallin out goin like 80 down the highway.

4rnr · 05-29-2009, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YOTA666

you guys are nuts! hahaha, I'd never trust my welds with a 110 volt welder! Are your trucks strictly for offroad use only?? I'd be paranoid about my axles fallin out goin like 80 down the highway.

I drive everywhere. I never trailer. Infact im going to drive it 2000 miles in mid June and hit 4 or 5 offroad parks from MO to WI.

2 years ago I was ran off the road into a ditch at high speed and I slammed my drivers front tire into a 4ft tall drain at about 40 miles per hour, and it peeled my entire axle housing back like a pretzle, and stuffed the tire into the floor board. I didnt break one weld. In fact the only weld I have broke (on my cage) was from a 220V miller that had a dirty gun and an idiot pulling the trigger. I caught the hair line crack...dressed it and patched it with the 110.

If I listened to everything the internet told me I can and cant do with my truck....Id be driving a minivan.

904_runner · 05-29-2009, 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4rnr

ah thats my dream welder!

I did my sas with a 110v flux core lincoln, as well as my cage, and every other cage, slider, bumper, etc...ive ever fabbed. And My welds have never broke. And many people on this board will vouch for my abusive testing.

#@%* the haters

I used a 110v miller for my sas, then i recently bought a 110v lincoln for my own.

Quote:

Originally Posted by YOTA666

you guys are nuts! hahaha, I'd never trust my welds with a 110 volt welder! Are your trucks strictly for offroad use only?? I'd be paranoid about my axles fallin out goin like 80 down the highway.

If you arn't going to trust your welds with a 110v welder then maybe you should have someone else weld.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4rnr

If I listened to everything the internet told me I can and cant do with my truck....Id be driving a minivan.

Wait...

Dont' you have a mini van too?

4rnr · 05-29-2009, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 904_runner

Wait...

Dont' you have a mini van too?

good god no!!!

fj62, 88 4runner, 92 4runner, and for a few more days a fj43 that im building a roll cage for.....it is a beautiful truck, I never new how hard it would be to steer with a boner.

904_runner · 05-29-2009, 09:18 AM

yea, i was just kidding about the mini van.

YOTA666 · 05-29-2009, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 904_runner

If you arn't going to trust your welds with a 110v welder then maybe you should have someone else weld.

I guess i should have specified it wasn't my welding that I didn't trust it was the welder haha...

I've never used a 110, so I didnt know it was powerful enough to penetrate but you learn something new everyday!

904_runner · 05-29-2009, 12:02 PM

If you prep the metal good, turn the welder up and go slowly, it should be fine if you know how to weld.

**waskillywabbit** · 05-29-2009, 12:22 PM

Most 110 machines will weld 5/16 in a single pass with flux core so it really shouldn't be surprising to do a SAS with one.

However, welding is not just a machine, but knowing how to use it.

If you have access to a 220 machine with MIG then use it for your SAS. A lot cleaner than flux core and you will be assured proper penetration, or at least more leeway for error.

I have a Lincoln Pro MIG 135 and a Miller 251 and love them both and prefer them both for different things.

4rnr · 05-29-2009, 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waskillywabbit

Most 110 machines will weld 5/16 in a single pass with flux core so it really shouldn't be surprising to do a SAS with one.

However, welding is not just a machine, but knowing how to use it.

If you have access to a 220 machine with MIG then use it for your SAS. A lot cleaner than flux core and you will be assured proper penetration, or at least more leeway for error.

I have a Lincoln Pro MIG 135 and a Miller 251 and love them both and prefer them both for different things.

Yup, If I had a 220 welder id be using it. And yes you have little room for error with a flux core 110, it had better be almost perfect.

904_runner · 05-29-2009, 12:45 PM

i welded the whole hangar to make up for any mistakes in my welding...

LOL

4rnr · 05-30-2009, 09:15 AM

As I was finishing up a cage on the fj43 last night I thouhgt of this thread and decided to take a few shots of some flux core welds before I removed any slag. In these pics the flux smoke is cleaned off, but thats it. It may not be Tig but....

http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/83803...49943185_YizBx

TOYOTA 1 · 05-30-2009, 09:43 AM

not bad for a hair lip with a sheet metal welder

lol jk..

those are nice welds 4rnr. just imagine what you could do with that miller 180.

894x4toy · 05-30-2009, 09:55 AM

Another little tip, if your weld has alot of convexity, there is a lack of fusion and penetration, if your weld is concave and well fused well you have good penetration , if your base metal turns cherry red by the time your finished welding you most likely have good penetration and a discoloration on the backside of your material. As I am a welder by trade I think my knowledge could help. And I just recently retired my 110v for a 220v.

05-28-2009, 10:56 AM	#2 (permalink)
toylocost Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Yotatech, because Pirate is too expensive. Posts: 1,428	I've never done one before but I would guess youd want a 220 welder for the hangers at least. __________________ 1982 2wd Pickup - Custom Interior - Pioneer 8" subs 1990 4runner - Blown Head Gasket Mod (fixed!) - Cruiser Coils - BJ Spacers - Bed Lined Fenders - CB/PA - Alpine HU - H4 Headlights - 2 15s and a Rockford amp. 1996 Camry - 400,000 miles on original engine/transmission. HELL YES!!! All it takes is a quart of oil with every tank of gas. Project: scratch building a modernized Lotus 7 replica using a 22-re Celica drivetrain

05-28-2009, 11:06 AM	#4 (permalink)
toylocost Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Yotatech, because Pirate is too expensive. Posts: 1,428	ah, there you go. Info from someone who knows what they are talking about. That one is 220. lol __________________ 1982 2wd Pickup - Custom Interior - Pioneer 8" subs 1990 4runner - Blown Head Gasket Mod (fixed!) - Cruiser Coils - BJ Spacers - Bed Lined Fenders - CB/PA - Alpine HU - H4 Headlights - 2 15s and a Rockford amp. 1996 Camry - 400,000 miles on original engine/transmission. HELL YES!!! All it takes is a quart of oil with every tank of gas. Project: scratch building a modernized Lotus 7 replica using a 22-re Celica drivetrain

05-28-2009, 11:35 AM	#5 (permalink)
swapped89 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: B-TOWN, Oregon Posts: 564	I borrowed a miller 220 from my buddy to do my swap. But me and my dad recently split the cost on a used miller 172 challenger 220 volt. i use it for everything and if i had it when i did my swap i would be confident it would do the job just fine. You should be good with the 180 just get the settings right before you have at it __________________ SAS 89,trussed, bobbed, Trail Gear front & rear 5''. 3.0 V6 cold air k&N, 40 ser. flowmaster, 5speed, HP ARB font diff, Marlin Crawler inner's and marfields. 5.29 yukons, Detroit rear, 35''x13.5 toyo's. Steadily growing body damage. Two way alarm, TG rock defense bumper, Warn 8000, TG crossmember,geard rive t-case w/marlin XD 4.7s. TG Sliders, some day dual cases and a cage

05-28-2009, 11:55 AM	#6 (permalink)
drew303 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 2,033	180 is plenty capable! __________________ 1987 Pickup, single cab, 22R, new head, 260 cam TG 3" SAS, rear disc brakes, chromoly rear axles, Chromoly Birfs, Tcase brake, 37x12.50R15 MT/Rs, 5.29 gears, rear Aussie Locker, front Detroit Truetrac.

05-28-2009, 12:07 PM	#7 (permalink)
fillsrunner4 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Sammamish, wa Posts: 2,724	I used it for my sas and more. Will work great for ya. __________________ 94' toyota 4runner (Many a change!) purchased bone stock, NOW... SAS, 39" Iroks, Rear Leafswap, 5.29's , Air locked front, Welded rear, Chevy 4.3L V6, 5spd swap, dual T/C's MC10R10, flatbelly with custom skids, sliders, Chopped, Bobbed and so much more. Might as well start reading this if ya want know more Fillsrunner4 3.4crawler Build Thread Fillsrunner4.3 crawler (Part Two) build thread

05-28-2009, 01:34 PM	#8 (permalink)
YOTA666 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Gods Country British Columbia Posts: 19	Sweet thanks alot for all the replies! __________________ 88 4RUNNER- 3.slow, Centerforce clutch, 2 inch body lift, s10 lowering blocks converted to lift blocks, Trail Mart SAS, trussed/armoured, 36" TSL's, pro comp 15x10 steelies.

05-28-2009, 04:42 PM	#9 (permalink)
4rnr Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Plainfield, IL Posts: 1,469	ah thats my dream welder! I did my sas with a 110v flux core lincoln, as well as my cage, and every other cage, slider, bumper, etc...ive ever fabbed. And My welds have never broke. And many people on this board will vouch for my abusive testing. #@%* the haters __________________ poop 1988 stock 4runner, v6, 5spd, soft top. 1990 fj62 stock and mint! 1992 4runner, 3.4, auto, SAS'ed, Marlin USA springs (4"/5"), 37" PBR's, 30 spline Longfields, Hydro assist, dual inchworms (5:1, twin stick, 23 spline, chromo output, 10* clock) 5.29's, lockrite's, custom exo, High angle drivelines drive shafts, 108" wheelbase, Warn hs9500i, Mcintosh/Dynaudio a/v system. The build up...http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=74915

05-28-2009, 05:18 PM	#10 (permalink)
bigt Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: chippawa niagara falls ontario Posts: 3,201	wow 4rnr that is some good inspiration!!! i just went to gas in my little lincoln cause im building a suzuki body.. but the flux works good for thicker stuff!! good too see this little machine will be fine once the operator gets a little better! __________________ 1991 HILUX SURF SSR-X turbo diesel right hand drive toyota imported in 2005 from japan, 130,000 km 31 bfg a/t auto current build 1987 LWB suzuki samurai. turning 2 into one.. yota axles welded front to back, yota springs , ifs steering box,, this bad boy will not only eat jeeps but toyotas aswell \m/

05-28-2009, 10:58 PM	#13 (permalink)
YOTA666 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Gods Country British Columbia Posts: 19	you guys are nuts! hahaha, I'd never trust my welds with a 110 volt welder! Are your trucks strictly for offroad use only?? I'd be paranoid about my axles fallin out goin like 80 down the highway. __________________ 88 4RUNNER- 3.slow, Centerforce clutch, 2 inch body lift, s10 lowering blocks converted to lift blocks, Trail Mart SAS, trussed/armoured, 36" TSL's, pro comp 15x10 steelies.

05-29-2009, 09:18 AM	#17 (permalink)
904_runner Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chico, California Posts: 3,782	yea, i was just kidding about the mini van. __________________ Mike 1990 4runner: 3.4 swapped, 5-speed, sas'd, Rear leaf swap, Locked, 5.29's, 39.5" iroks on Beadlocks, Armor'd Longfields, Duals coming soon: My build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/904_run...thread-158746/ http://www.treadlightly.org/ http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...ery/index.html

05-29-2009, 12:02 PM	#19 (permalink)
904_runner Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chico, California Posts: 3,782	If you prep the metal good, turn the welder up and go slowly, it should be fine if you know how to weld. __________________ Mike 1990 4runner: 3.4 swapped, 5-speed, sas'd, Rear leaf swap, Locked, 5.29's, 39.5" iroks on Beadlocks, Armor'd Longfields, Duals coming soon: My build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/904_run...thread-158746/ http://www.treadlightly.org/ http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...ery/index.html

05-29-2009, 12:22 PM	#20 (permalink)
waskillywabbit Super Moderator-Sponsoring Member Staff Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Tuscaloosa, AL Posts: 14,553	Most 110 machines will weld 5/16 in a single pass with flux core so it really shouldn't be surprising to do a SAS with one. However, welding is not just a machine, but knowing how to use it. If you have access to a 220 machine with MIG then use it for your SAS. A lot cleaner than flux core and you will be assured proper penetration, or at least more leeway for error. I have a Lincoln Pro MIG 135 and a Miller 251 and love them both and prefer them both for different things. __________________ WabFab Off-Road, LLC MySpace Twitter Facebook 7th Annual South East 4Runner Jamboree, 2010 The toughest part of a Jeep is the chick driving it. WabFab Off-Road 4th Anniversary Sale

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904_runner Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chico, California Posts: 3,782	i welded the whole hangar to make up for any mistakes in my welding... LOL __________________ Mike 1990 4runner: 3.4 swapped, 5-speed, sas'd, Rear leaf swap, Locked, 5.29's, 39.5" iroks on Beadlocks, Armor'd Longfields, Duals coming soon: My build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/904_run...thread-158746/ http://www.treadlightly.org/ http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...ery/index.html

05-30-2009, 09:15 AM	#23 (permalink)
4rnr Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Plainfield, IL Posts: 1,469	As I was finishing up a cage on the fj43 last night I thouhgt of this thread and decided to take a few shots of some flux core welds before I removed any slag. In these pics the flux smoke is cleaned off, but thats it. It may not be Tig but.... http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/83803...49943185_YizBx __________________ poop 1988 stock 4runner, v6, 5spd, soft top. 1990 fj62 stock and mint! 1992 4runner, 3.4, auto, SAS'ed, Marlin USA springs (4"/5"), 37" PBR's, 30 spline Longfields, Hydro assist, dual inchworms (5:1, twin stick, 23 spline, chromo output, 10* clock) 5.29's, lockrite's, custom exo, High angle drivelines drive shafts, 108" wheelbase, Warn hs9500i, Mcintosh/Dynaudio a/v system. The build up...http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=74915

05-30-2009, 09:55 AM	#25 (permalink)
894x4toy Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Newfoundland Posts: 3	Another little tip, if your weld has alot of convexity, there is a lack of fusion and penetration, if your weld is concave and well fused well you have good penetration , if your base metal turns cherry red by the time your finished welding you most likely have good penetration and a discoloration on the backside of your material. As I am a welder by trade I think my knowledge could help. And I just recently retired my 110v for a 220v.

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