General Buildup - Page 3

Trustyrusty · 03-02-2009, 05:31 PM

Bumper looks cool, but its gonna be weaker then crap.. A small tree would annihilate that thing, but then again I'm also partial to bumpers that can slay a deer at 80 and keep on truckin..

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Mic09dcsm · 03-17-2009, 05:56 PM

... but there is still tons to do and learn on this truck.

Went from this B**** mount

To this

And now with some Herculiner and another set of mounts. Bringing the total to 8 bolts, 4 on the front of the frame and 2 on either side where the stock bumper mounts up. I did miss a few spots I've been meaning to touch up. The bumper lights are wired to the brights.

And I finally redid the rear shocks. Cut out the OEM spring/shock holders to use the shock mount. Not finished with the driver side mount, but this weekend I'll finish that up.

puulboy · 03-17-2009, 10:44 PM

I give you props for attempting something out of your comfort zone. That's what makes you grow as a person. Where I think you need to be careful is in the structure welds you are attempting. You should get someone with better welding equipment and skills to help you and teach you about mounting shocks.
Failures in that area are more dangerous to you and others around you.
Keep up the creativity, but use others to help you with the crucial stuff.
Listen to the experienced builders that are chiming in with constructive criticism. That's another way to advance your skills. I can see where you mind is at.. I was 18 long ago and knew everything till I didn't .
Good luck
Don

toyospearo · 03-17-2009, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puulboy

I give you props for attempting something out of your comfort zone. That's what makes you grow as a person. Where I think you need to be careful is in the structure welds you are attempting. You should get someone with better welding equipment and skills to help you and teach you about mounting shocks.
Failures in that area are more dangerous to you and others around you.
Keep up the creativity, but use others to help you with the crucial stuff.
Listen to the experienced builders that are chiming in with constructive criticism. That's another way to advance your skills. I can see where you mind is at.. I was 18 long ago and knew everything till I didn't .
Good luck
Don

x2
Great Post!!

Mic09dcsm · 03-17-2009, 10:49 PM

As I said before, it's not done, and those shock mounts already aren't going anywhere.

puulboy · 03-17-2009, 11:02 PM

Unfortunately the only thing you got from my post was criticism. That's why these folks are busting your chops. If you open your mind, you will see some of these people are trying to help you with constructive ideas.
good luck

Mic09dcsm · 03-17-2009, 11:06 PM

No, I see the people trying to help, and I know you're only saying what you think is best trying to help, I'm just saying that my shocks are firmly planted.

puulboy · 03-17-2009, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toyospearo

x2
Great Post!!

Thanks Your quote from Bertrand Russel is so apropos.

toyospearo · 03-17-2009, 11:33 PM

YES!
I agree!

needlepimp · 03-17-2009, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mic09dcsm

No, I see the people trying to help, and I know you're only saying what you think is best trying to help, I'm just saying that my shocks are firmly planted.

if you see that people are trying to help you maybe you should ask Puul what he would do to change the shock mounts instead of insisting they are "firmly planted". those mounts might last a while on the road and maybe a few trips off road, but they are going to fail. many of the guys on here have more years welding than you do breathing. I'm sure if you asked their opinons they would be happy to help you

Mic09dcsm · 03-18-2009, 12:07 AM

Ok, I can listen to advice, I'm not deaf. It's just that people underestimate this work. Not saying I'm great, but they have plenty of support, the shocks that is.

And he said to listen to the "experienced builders", he is just saying he thinks they're dangerous, not necessarily that he can cite anything other than my age.

1989toy4wd · 03-18-2009, 12:16 AM

Nice work dude, to each his own...just like in other things, some people dont like stingers, some do. Some like Toyotas, some like chevys!

With this type of flaming, it makes new yotatechers go to other forums, and its sad because of the wealth of information here. Opinions are like buttholes, everyone has one! But when you are just flaming someone, expecially when you have less than 10 posts, thats just sad. No one thinks your cool because you are talking crap over the internet, now some of the info was helpfull, but some of it was just mean...I mean, I wish I had access to a welder, or new how to weld. This kid is lucky...(like im that much older

)

Now I do agree about the shock mounts, what happened to the originals anyway?

puulboy · 03-18-2009, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mic09dcsm

Ok, I can listen to advice, I'm not deaf. It's just that people underestimate this work. Not saying I'm great, but they have plenty of support, the shocks that is.

And he said to listen to the "experienced builders", he is just saying he thinks they're dangerous, not necessarily that he can cite anything other than my age.

See there you go again . You are always the victim The way you mounted them just doesn't look right. Since I don't own a rig like yours I suggested you listen to experienced people here who were trying to help. It wasn't about your age. You were the one that repeatedly referred to your age. I was just relating to how I reacted at your age.
So do your own engineering and make sure you defy any suggestions from others who obviously have none of the worldly experience you have and hopefully you don't create a victim from your engineering.
nuff said here

puulboy · 03-18-2009, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1989toy4wd

Nice work dude, to each his own...just like in other things, some people dont like stingers, some do. Some like Toyotas, some like chevys!

With this type of flaming, it makes new yotatechers go to other forums, and its sad because of the wealth of information here. Opinions are like buttholes, everyone has one! But when you are just flaming someone, expecially when you have less than 10 posts, thats just sad. No one thinks your cool because you are talking crap over the internet, now some of the info was helpfull, but some of it was just mean...I mean, I wish I had access to a welder, or new how to weld. This kid is lucky...(like im that much older

)

Now I do agree about the shock mounts, what happened to the originals anyway?

If you are referring to me you should go back and read my original post. No flame at all. Just because I don't have 700 plus post on this forum like you doesn't mean I cannot offer constructive suggestions to someone I was actually sticking up for. Post count doesn't count for anything other than the ability to type and click.

86Toyrunna · 03-18-2009, 05:42 PM

i agree with everthing puulboy said so far.. and besides that i think alot of people think that because they have a welder and can "weld" that makes them a welder.. same with people who assume that because they can turn a wrench that means they are a mechanic ( refering to the fly by night shops that do nothing but screw things up worse then they were).. please dont take these comments as a flame.. what im saying is maybe it would be a good idea to grab some scrap metal and do some practicing. practice different joints like a butt-weld, plug weld, lap weld, ect... then try them vertically and then overhead. i did this non-stop when i was in highschool and i now consider my self a decent welder and can pretty well hang with the fabricators at my work. it just takes practice.

on another note im just curious about the way your shocks are mounted, are thoes the shocks you plan on running for good? from what it looks like to me their stoke may max out before you suspension can really droop. As i said this is from what it looks like to me. I cant really tell in the pictures to well. If they do max out it can and will damage the shock (end result is failure) not to mention possibly break the mount loose.

Mic09dcsm · 03-18-2009, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 86Toyrunna

on another note im just curious about the way your shocks are mounted, are thoes the shocks you plan on running for good? from what it looks like to me their stoke may max out before you suspension can really droop. As i said this is from what it looks like to me. I cant really tell in the pictures to well. If they do max out it can and will damage the shock (end result is failure) not to mention possibly break the mount loose.

The shocks have plenty of room to droop. And yes you did refer to my age Puulboy, you said I was ignorant and arrogant when you said "I can see where you mind is at..I was 18 long ago and knew everything till I didn't" And if you meant nothing against my age then there was no reason to refer to this in your post. And posters were giving advice on the previous shock mounting, not the new one, at least yet, besides you and needlepimp, who no offense could do nothing but refer me to posters who didn't exist, and had yet to comment on my new shock mounts.

EDIT: 86Toyrunna brought up something important, and I did fully extend the shocks connected them at the top mount and checked if they would stop the axle from extending. And I've heard on many threads here the problem with custom shock placement is using them as bumpstops which supposedly ruins them, not letting them extend all the way.

I am not saying I'm a great welder or claiming anything except that my shocks are not going to break and hurt anyone or create "victims".

This weekend I'll finish painting it, and possibly start on a rear bumper.

puulboy · 03-18-2009, 07:53 PM

you said I was ignorant and arrogant when you said "I can see where you mind is at..I was 18 long ago and knew everything till I didn't" And if you meant nothing against my age then there was no reason to refer to this in your post.

You again put words in my mouth
Good luck ohh wise one I give up trying to help

**aviator** · 03-18-2009, 08:23 PM

Ok everyone lets calm down a little here, no need to slag each other...
I will preface my comment here with the statement that I have very little welding experience but mic09 your welds do look a little slag-ish to me... not saying they're not strong just slag-ish but then I am very picky about fit and finish and like everything "just so"...[which is why I have'nt started welding on my own truck, I'm not good enough yet lol] ...
the upper shock mount does look a little weak in the pic but maybe it is more robust then it appears...
Cudos to you though for having the courage to post pics of your work for all to comment on... I would not take anything personal feedback is how we get better...

4Banger · 03-18-2009, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red3.slow

Well, in his defence the bumper is still in progress. so lets just ease up and see what happens. I give him credit for attempting his own work.

Honestly how much better could it get... I'm not sure he can dig himself out of that hole

4Banger · 03-18-2009, 10:41 PM

"oh im just in high school" an " uh this stuff is hard" isnt an excuse. Im in high school to an if your weld beads came out of my gun id cry. first thing you need to do is pick up some perfectionist qualities (best things in life are free). Grind the f out of that bumper i can see welds through that line x or hurculiner or what ever that is. Chepo PIPE bender an a restart wouldn't hurt either

4Banger · 03-18-2009, 10:49 PM

awesome tire chioce though

1989toy4wd · 03-18-2009, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puulboy

If you are referring to me you should go back and read my original post. No flame at all. Just because I don't have 700 plus post on this forum like you doesn't mean I cannot offer constructive suggestions to someone I was actually sticking up for. Post count doesn't count for anything other than the ability to type and click.

No, not to you specifically...I meant in general, you are an exception, just a lot of the time, people get on the website knowing nothing...and thats what I was talking about!!

I think we all need a

puulboy · 03-19-2009, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1989toy4wd

No, not to you specifically...I meant in general, you are an exception, just a lot of the time, people get on the website knowing nothing...and thats what I was talking about!!

I think we all need a

I seemed like you were talking about me My bad
Glad you brought that to my attention.

One of my concern is with the fact that the welder he is using does not have the capacity for structural welding. We all know welding is not about just adding some steel like glue, its about fusing the 2 parts together with the proper penetration and the rod just acts like a filler to add between the fused metal. There are ways to make a welder exceed its capabilities , but that takes experience. I had a 135 mig 110 volt that worked fine for smaller thinner projects. When I decided to weld a new axle on one of my work trailers, I promptly advertised my 135 on craigslist and sold it for $375.00 then found another 180 welder 220 volt on craigslist and only paid 25 bucks more for it so I could do more structural welding. I would not have put that axle on with my 135 Again not enough penetration for the abuse vehicles go through. I am average at best in my welding, but now that I have a more versatile machine I will practice and get better. When I have a project that requires more intense welding I refer to my buddy Jon who is building his rock crawler.
Thats why I joined this discussion
thanks
Don

HarryBCO · 03-20-2009, 05:18 PM

Good on ya for havin a go at doin it yourself.

98toyota · 03-20-2009, 11:56 PM

A+ in the effort department, but being a fabricator and welder myself, that shock setup is a hazard to you and others around you, what may seem strong sitting on flat ground can easily change during wheelin. For example did u bevel any of the joints to help acheive better penetration while welding? its the small simple things that will fail first, not trying to give you a hard time just some things to try in the future, the last thing u want is something to break and have a serious problem because u didnt know how to weld correctly. Welding is a skill, yes anyone can burtcher there way through a project that has little welding exprence but it takes a true fabricator to build something that is designed correctly and can function as you intened it. In all honesty i would not hold out much hope for thoses welds to last.

03-17-2009, 05:56 PM	#52 (permalink)
Mic09dcsm Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: San Antonio Posts: 535	... but there is still tons to do and learn on this truck. Went from this B**** mount To this And now with some Herculiner and another set of mounts. Bringing the total to 8 bolts, 4 on the front of the frame and 2 on either side where the stock bumper mounts up. I did miss a few spots I've been meaning to touch up. The bumper lights are wired to the brights. And I finally redid the rear shocks. Cut out the OEM spring/shock holders to use the shock mount. Not finished with the driver side mount, but this weekend I'll finish that up. __________________ "I love my 4Runner. Everyone else in my condo hates it! I guess it looks bad next to there brand new 20 or 30 thousand dollar cars that will die before my $600 Yota does, and probably before they're even done paying their cars off!" -Steveycapri Whips: '92 Xtra Cab Dlx V6, '94 Dlx I4 5spd. Camry. 98% of the teenage population will try, does, or has tried smoking pot. If you're one of the 2% who hasn't, copy and paste this into your sig. NOTE: To find the 2%...I'm the other 98%.

03-17-2009, 10:49 PM	#55 (permalink)
Mic09dcsm Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: San Antonio Posts: 535	As I said before, it's not done, and those shock mounts already aren't going anywhere. __________________ "I love my 4Runner. Everyone else in my condo hates it! I guess it looks bad next to there brand new 20 or 30 thousand dollar cars that will die before my $600 Yota does, and probably before they're even done paying their cars off!" -Steveycapri Whips: '92 Xtra Cab Dlx V6, '94 Dlx I4 5spd. Camry. 98% of the teenage population will try, does, or has tried smoking pot. If you're one of the 2% who hasn't, copy and paste this into your sig. NOTE: To find the 2%...I'm the other 98%. Last edited by Mic09dcsm; 03-17-2009 at 10:51 PM.

03-17-2009, 11:06 PM	#57 (permalink)
Mic09dcsm Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: San Antonio Posts: 535	No, I see the people trying to help, and I know you're only saying what you think is best trying to help, I'm just saying that my shocks are firmly planted. __________________ "I love my 4Runner. Everyone else in my condo hates it! I guess it looks bad next to there brand new 20 or 30 thousand dollar cars that will die before my $600 Yota does, and probably before they're even done paying their cars off!" -Steveycapri Whips: '92 Xtra Cab Dlx V6, '94 Dlx I4 5spd. Camry. 98% of the teenage population will try, does, or has tried smoking pot. If you're one of the 2% who hasn't, copy and paste this into your sig. NOTE: To find the 2%...I'm the other 98%.

03-17-2009, 11:33 PM	#59 (permalink)
toyospearo Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: way way nor cal Posts: 1,580	YES! I agree! __________________ 94 Ext. cab 22re Aussied, 4.88's, SAS,ed, FLATBED, Old Man Emu rear leafs w/TG 5.5" shackles, TG sliders, LC Header, Marlin super HD clutch, 32's- Swamper TSL's- RC rims, Badland Bumper, lifted, lighted, LED'ed, Warned, alternatored (LC High ouput), Hammed, gusseted, trussed, etc, etc... My build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/great-w...ck-sas-164531/ My Flatbed build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f88/toyospea...-build-191787/

03-18-2009, 12:07 AM	#61 (permalink)
Mic09dcsm Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: San Antonio Posts: 535	Ok, I can listen to advice, I'm not deaf. It's just that people underestimate this work. Not saying I'm great, but they have plenty of support, the shocks that is. And he said to listen to the "experienced builders", he is just saying he thinks they're dangerous, not necessarily that he can cite anything other than my age. __________________ "I love my 4Runner. Everyone else in my condo hates it! I guess it looks bad next to there brand new 20 or 30 thousand dollar cars that will die before my $600 Yota does, and probably before they're even done paying their cars off!" -Steveycapri Whips: '92 Xtra Cab Dlx V6, '94 Dlx I4 5spd. Camry. 98% of the teenage population will try, does, or has tried smoking pot. If you're one of the 2% who hasn't, copy and paste this into your sig. NOTE: To find the 2%...I'm the other 98%. Last edited by Mic09dcsm; 03-18-2009 at 12:10 AM.

03-17-2009, 10:44 PM	#53 (permalink)
puulboy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 35	I give you props for attempting something out of your comfort zone. That's what makes you grow as a person. Where I think you need to be careful is in the structure welds you are attempting. You should get someone with better welding equipment and skills to help you and teach you about mounting shocks. Failures in that area are more dangerous to you and others around you. Keep up the creativity, but use others to help you with the crucial stuff. Listen to the experienced builders that are chiming in with constructive criticism. That's another way to advance your skills. I can see where you mind is at.. I was 18 long ago and knew everything till I didn't . Good luck Don

03-17-2009, 11:02 PM	#56 (permalink)
puulboy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 35	Unfortunately the only thing you got from my post was criticism. That's why these folks are busting your chops. If you open your mind, you will see some of these people are trying to help you with constructive ideas. good luck

03-18-2009, 12:16 AM	#62 (permalink)
1989toy4wd Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Beaumont, Tx Posts: 958	Nice work dude, to each his own...just like in other things, some people dont like stingers, some do. Some like Toyotas, some like chevys! With this type of flaming, it makes new yotatechers go to other forums, and its sad because of the wealth of information here. Opinions are like buttholes, everyone has one! But when you are just flaming someone, expecially when you have less than 10 posts, thats just sad. No one thinks your cool because you are talking crap over the internet, now some of the info was helpfull, but some of it was just mean...I mean, I wish I had access to a welder, or new how to weld. This kid is lucky...(like im that much older ) Now I do agree about the shock mounts, what happened to the originals anyway? __________________ -Colton- 1989 Toyota Pickup DLX, 22RE, 5-spd, 5-in SAS, Detroit back, ARB front, longs, 37/13R15 Boggers, Marlin front and rear bumpers, Marlin sliders, Ramsey Patriot 9500 winch with synthetic line, Hi-angle D/S F&R, diff breathers, rebuilt tranny, 22RE bored .20 over completely rebuilt (it feels great to not have to buy 2 cases of oil a month!!), whole truck built in memory of my dad (RIP 6-26-08) Daily driver & tow vehicle: 02 Dodge 2500 Diesel, 5-speed, 4wd, quad cab, longbed, 128k miles

03-18-2009, 05:42 PM	#65 (permalink)
86Toyrunna Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: B-TOWN, ORYGUN Posts: 431	i agree with everthing puulboy said so far.. and besides that i think alot of people think that because they have a welder and can "weld" that makes them a welder.. same with people who assume that because they can turn a wrench that means they are a mechanic ( refering to the fly by night shops that do nothing but screw things up worse then they were).. please dont take these comments as a flame.. what im saying is maybe it would be a good idea to grab some scrap metal and do some practicing. practice different joints like a butt-weld, plug weld, lap weld, ect... then try them vertically and then overhead. i did this non-stop when i was in highschool and i now consider my self a decent welder and can pretty well hang with the fabricators at my work. it just takes practice. on another note im just curious about the way your shocks are mounted, are thoes the shocks you plan on running for good? from what it looks like to me their stoke may max out before you suspension can really droop. As i said this is from what it looks like to me. I cant really tell in the pictures to well. If they do max out it can and will damage the shock (end result is failure) not to mention possibly break the mount loose. __________________ current: 1986 4Runner, Rebuilt 22RE with engnbldr HP head, cam'd, battery/intake swap, SASed, 5.29s, detroit rear, 35in MTRs, trussed and armored axles, marlin HD clutch, soon to be dual cased, TG rear bumper, Best mod todate CHROME METAL SR5 DOOR HANDLES, thats whats up RIP: 1985 Standard Cab SR5 pickup, add-a-leafs and shackels, 33" BFGs, it died a horrible death (50mph roll over) DD: 2006 Scion Tc w/TRD Supercharge and TRD stainless cat-back exhaust

03-18-2009, 07:53 PM	#67 (permalink)
puulboy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 35	you said I was ignorant and arrogant when you said "I can see where you mind is at..I was 18 long ago and knew everything till I didn't" And if you meant nothing against my age then there was no reason to refer to this in your post. You again put words in my mouth Good luck ohh wise one I give up trying to help

03-18-2009, 08:23 PM	#68 (permalink)
aviator Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: COTKU,Ontario,Canada Posts: 7,472	Ok everyone lets calm down a little here, no need to slag each other... I will preface my comment here with the statement that I have very little welding experience but mic09 your welds do look a little slag-ish to me... not saying they're not strong just slag-ish but then I am very picky about fit and finish and like everything "just so"...[which is why I have'nt started welding on my own truck, I'm not good enough yet lol] ... the upper shock mount does look a little weak in the pic but maybe it is more robust then it appears... Cudos to you though for having the courage to post pics of your work for all to comment on... I would not take anything personal feedback is how we get better... __________________ Silver 1994 Hilux Xtra cab 4x4 3.0 K&N cone filter, ported MAF, advanced timing, oversize exhaust, free flow cat, "rumble" muffler custom covered SR5 seats, map lights, factory AC tv4184 style black interior conversion started mods to come... header, custom centre console, stereo upgrade tinted windows Founding member 1972TLC fan club - Get well soon Mary Toyota Hilux... Get in or Get out of the way.

03-20-2009, 05:18 PM	#74 (permalink)
HarryBCO Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Perth Western Australia Posts: 9	Good on ya for havin a go at doin it yourself.

03-20-2009, 11:56 PM	#75 (permalink)
98toyota Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 13	A+ in the effort department, but being a fabricator and welder myself, that shock setup is a hazard to you and others around you, what may seem strong sitting on flat ground can easily change during wheelin. For example did u bevel any of the joints to help acheive better penetration while welding? its the small simple things that will fail first, not trying to give you a hard time just some things to try in the future, the last thing u want is something to break and have a serious problem because u didnt know how to weld correctly. Welding is a skill, yes anyone can burtcher there way through a project that has little welding exprence but it takes a true fabricator to build something that is designed correctly and can function as you intened it. In all honesty i would not hold out much hope for thoses welds to last. __________________ -Eric

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