Ford 302/351 swap info

colsoncj · 11-18-2005, 05:59 PM

Will a 351 FI fit in a 87 4Runner? How much bigger is it to a 302?

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jimbo74 · 11-18-2005, 06:23 PM

i doubt it... they arent too much bigger when thinking about a v8, but they can still be quite large

colsoncj · 11-18-2005, 07:08 PM

Ya, im kinda curious, ive never heard of anyone puttin one in a yota... im thinking bout it, just for the sake of bein different

stevenassco · 11-18-2005, 07:15 PM

they are virtually the same. 351W vs 302, only difference really is deck height and front accessories

its about 1" wider up top and 1" higher, thus many mustang with this swap just need dropped motor mounts to fit under stock hood.

Blocks are much better...hold 700-800rwhp reliably versus the stock roller 302 holding roughly 500rwhpish

hope this helps

colsoncj · 11-18-2005, 10:15 PM

yup... anyone know what the first year for sequential fuel injection was, and what these years of ford 4wds had for axles?

EWAYota · 11-18-2005, 10:23 PM

im guessing they had TTB (Dana 44's but not SFA) axles unless you get a 351 out of a f250. TTB starting from 79+ I believe.

colsoncj · 11-18-2005, 10:26 PM

Im thinkin f250 or 350.... i know my mom had a 2wd 351 F250... but that was a while ago and i never thought to pay much attention to it.. but it did have some kahunas with that 351 and 4.10's

EWAYota · 11-18-2005, 10:40 PM

i had a 79 ranger, 2wd, 302 with 31's in the rear and 28's in front (lol) and that thing screamed! if i end up doing a engine swap (thinking more for mud), might try and find a junked 302 h.o. efi.

colsoncj · 11-18-2005, 10:42 PM

ya i was first thinkin bout the 302, but thought "lets do something different" so here we are, going to try and fit a 351 in a 4runner.... now i just need some deep pockets...

EWAYota · 11-18-2005, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by colsoncj

ya i was first thinkin bout the 302, but thought "lets do something different" so here we are, going to try and fit a 351 in a 4runner.... now i just need some deep pockets...

Heck, with that attitude, stuff this in there

colsoncj · 11-18-2005, 10:47 PM

that is nice..... 390 or 427ish? i see what looks like a triple duece.... i want a fuely though....

Randomness · 11-18-2005, 10:47 PM

I dunno...but we put a stroked 351W (balanced and blueprinted, all bolt-ons) in my friends '65 fastback, with 4.56 locked rear end, and it HAULS.

EWAYota · 11-18-2005, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by colsoncj

that is nice..... 390 or 427ish? i see what looks like a triple duece.... i want a fuely though....

427. I'd convert it over to propane!

colsoncj · 11-18-2005, 10:52 PM

im goina do this... i just need to finish up school (done in march) get a job (hopefully march) and start buyin the parts... hello 351...

I am interested in what the f250/350 4wds had for axles... thinkin bout usin them for the runner.... fords a left or right drop.

nother thing that crossed my mind... think i could take a full size front axle, narrow it only on the long side, enough to center the diff and be the width of a runner for rear steer while im at it?

hello the never ending hole in the mud into which i pour money

colsoncj · 11-18-2005, 10:53 PM

man i like that 427

colsoncj · 11-18-2005, 10:54 PM

also what did the 4wds use for auto trannies, anyone know?

EWAYota · 11-18-2005, 10:58 PM

C6's 75-79, not sure after that

EWAYota · 11-18-2005, 11:00 PM

http://www.ford-trucks.com/article/i...ers_Guide.html

DudeBud · 11-18-2005, 11:41 PM

just to let you know a windsor will fit easy. thats what is used for my mockup. its also what im thinking about doing but going with a 408 and, puting the 302 that is in my 84 into my 90 after the 3.0 dies

madbronco · 11-19-2005, 08:19 AM

ok, 79 was the last year of the solid axle front end in your f100's, the f250's were still soild axle the axles were dana 44 in the front and ford 9inch in the rear.the f350's depending on if it was desil or gas, the gas still used the same axles as the 250's, but the desils used dana 60's in the front and either a 9in or a corperate 14 rear. trannys were c6 all the way up to the early 90's, but they also used a aod, c4 and another that i cant remember but the aod is a good tranny if you have it built this tranny is fords answer to chevys 700r, your c6 comes in 2 bell houseing big block and small block, so pay attension to what you buy. as far as the 351w goes, i have a ford bronco that has a built351w in it and it was dynoed at 625hp. that sumbitch hauls ass.. lock it in 4 low and it is unstopable..

stevenassco · 11-19-2005, 08:24 AM

IMO you need to set some goals if you are serious about this

-what is it being used for? Mud, rock trails?
-how much power do you want?
-what is a realistic budget?

These make it much easier. IMO I would simply just get a used stock mustang 302 roller (HO) FI engine out of a fox body complete for like $500ish and go from there. They came with forged internals and can be pushed to 600rwhp if neccessary, parts are overflowing out of every corner of the market, technology is booming for it etc. It is a relatively light and compact engine as well. Get one, slap a 8psi supercharger kit on and you can have a reliably 400hp engine no problem for relatively cheap, get good fuel economy, be docile as well.

if you got a 351, you could stroke it to 408+, but again, parts are much more money, do you really need 700hp?

DudeBud · 11-19-2005, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevenassco

do you really need 700hp?

yes i do

JamesD · 11-19-2005, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EWAYota

Heck, with that attitude, stuff this in there

Check this link out: http://www.cardomain.com/ride/651079/19

James

colsoncj · 11-19-2005, 11:59 PM

Im still swaying back and forth between the 302 and 351.... its goina be one of those. 300RWHP would be more than enough for me. it all just kinda depends what i come across first cheap, 302 or 351.

Correction on the trannies... 89 F250 2WD had a E4OD... but i dont know if you could get it in a 4wd... I havent figured out what axles im goina wind up usin yet... but im leaning towards non-toyota. still thinkin bout narrowing a wide front to use for rear steer... but the more i look at different front axles, the more i think its not possible.

stevenassco · 11-20-2005, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DudeBud

yes i do

well if you do 700hp reliable HP is not cheap, not matter how you slice it. I would recommend a 351W with forged internals, standalone an a single turbo kit. That will get you 700hp and still fit under a 2nd gen hood!

11-18-2005, 07:08 PM	#3 (permalink)
colsoncj Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monett, MO (Springfield) Posts: 2,533	Ya, im kinda curious, ive never heard of anyone puttin one in a yota... im thinking bout it, just for the sake of bein different __________________ Cory Eastern OK, Western/Northern AR, Southeastern KS, or Southern MO area: OZARKS 4ROC Click Here 04 Dodge 2500 Cummins - DD/Tow Rig 02 Z06 Corvette - Weekender 94 FZJ80 - Wheelin Rig. Build in progress: http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129727 72 Buick GS - i.e. the project that will never get done.

11-18-2005, 10:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
colsoncj Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monett, MO (Springfield) Posts: 2,533	yup... anyone know what the first year for sequential fuel injection was, and what these years of ford 4wds had for axles? __________________ Cory Eastern OK, Western/Northern AR, Southeastern KS, or Southern MO area: OZARKS 4ROC Click Here 04 Dodge 2500 Cummins - DD/Tow Rig 02 Z06 Corvette - Weekender 94 FZJ80 - Wheelin Rig. Build in progress: http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129727 72 Buick GS - i.e. the project that will never get done.

11-18-2005, 10:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
EWAYota Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Richland, Washington Posts: 4,595	im guessing they had TTB (Dana 44's but not SFA) axles unless you get a 351 out of a f250. TTB starting from 79+ I believe. __________________ DJ 1994 Pickup 22RE, Engnbldr 261 cam, 5 speed. Tires that go around and around... Preping for SAS...... Originally Posted By Fustercluck "Proof that Gangus did not spontaneously generate....he has relatives." Originally Posted By Tacoclimber "My two year old better get a job, soon..." Reply Posted By Oly884 "I hear coal mining is a great career." Myspace

11-18-2005, 10:26 PM	#7 (permalink)
colsoncj Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monett, MO (Springfield) Posts: 2,533	Im thinkin f250 or 350.... i know my mom had a 2wd 351 F250... but that was a while ago and i never thought to pay much attention to it.. but it did have some kahunas with that 351 and 4.10's __________________ Cory Eastern OK, Western/Northern AR, Southeastern KS, or Southern MO area: OZARKS 4ROC Click Here 04 Dodge 2500 Cummins - DD/Tow Rig 02 Z06 Corvette - Weekender 94 FZJ80 - Wheelin Rig. Build in progress: http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129727 72 Buick GS - i.e. the project that will never get done.

11-18-2005, 10:40 PM	#8 (permalink)
EWAYota Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Richland, Washington Posts: 4,595	i had a 79 ranger, 2wd, 302 with 31's in the rear and 28's in front (lol) and that thing screamed! if i end up doing a engine swap (thinking more for mud), might try and find a junked 302 h.o. efi. __________________ DJ 1994 Pickup 22RE, Engnbldr 261 cam, 5 speed. Tires that go around and around... Preping for SAS...... Originally Posted By Fustercluck "Proof that Gangus did not spontaneously generate....he has relatives." Originally Posted By Tacoclimber "My two year old better get a job, soon..." Reply Posted By Oly884 "I hear coal mining is a great career." Myspace

11-18-2005, 06:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
jimbo74 Banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Nor*Cal Posts: 6,582	i doubt it... they arent too much bigger when thinking about a v8, but they can still be quite large

11-18-2005, 07:15 PM	#4 (permalink)
stevenassco Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 18	they are virtually the same. 351W vs 302, only difference really is deck height and front accessories its about 1" wider up top and 1" higher, thus many mustang with this swap just need dropped motor mounts to fit under stock hood. Blocks are much better...hold 700-800rwhp reliably versus the stock roller 302 holding roughly 500rwhpish hope this helps

11-18-2005, 10:42 PM	#9 (permalink)
colsoncj Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monett, MO (Springfield) Posts: 2,533	ya i was first thinkin bout the 302, but thought "lets do something different" so here we are, going to try and fit a 351 in a 4runner.... now i just need some deep pockets... __________________ Cory Eastern OK, Western/Northern AR, Southeastern KS, or Southern MO area: OZARKS 4ROC Click Here 04 Dodge 2500 Cummins - DD/Tow Rig 02 Z06 Corvette - Weekender 94 FZJ80 - Wheelin Rig. Build in progress: http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129727 72 Buick GS - i.e. the project that will never get done.

11-18-2005, 10:47 PM	#11 (permalink)
colsoncj Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monett, MO (Springfield) Posts: 2,533	that is nice..... 390 or 427ish? i see what looks like a triple duece.... i want a fuely though.... __________________ Cory Eastern OK, Western/Northern AR, Southeastern KS, or Southern MO area: OZARKS 4ROC Click Here 04 Dodge 2500 Cummins - DD/Tow Rig 02 Z06 Corvette - Weekender 94 FZJ80 - Wheelin Rig. Build in progress: http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129727 72 Buick GS - i.e. the project that will never get done.

11-18-2005, 10:47 PM	#12 (permalink)
Randomness Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Sammamish, WA Posts: 1,385	I dunno...but we put a stroked 351W (balanced and blueprinted, all bolt-ons) in my friends '65 fastback, with 4.56 locked rear end, and it HAULS. __________________ 95 3.slow SR5 4runner 160K miles \| 32's \| OME \| Optima \| Husky \| dechromed \| ryan \| My Photography Blog

11-18-2005, 10:52 PM	#14 (permalink)
colsoncj Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monett, MO (Springfield) Posts: 2,533	im goina do this... i just need to finish up school (done in march) get a job (hopefully march) and start buyin the parts... hello 351... I am interested in what the f250/350 4wds had for axles... thinkin bout usin them for the runner.... fords a left or right drop. nother thing that crossed my mind... think i could take a full size front axle, narrow it only on the long side, enough to center the diff and be the width of a runner for rear steer while im at it? hello the never ending hole in the mud into which i pour money __________________ Cory Eastern OK, Western/Northern AR, Southeastern KS, or Southern MO area: OZARKS 4ROC Click Here 04 Dodge 2500 Cummins - DD/Tow Rig 02 Z06 Corvette - Weekender 94 FZJ80 - Wheelin Rig. Build in progress: http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129727 72 Buick GS - i.e. the project that will never get done.

11-18-2005, 10:53 PM	#15 (permalink)
colsoncj Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monett, MO (Springfield) Posts: 2,533	man i like that 427 __________________ Cory Eastern OK, Western/Northern AR, Southeastern KS, or Southern MO area: OZARKS 4ROC Click Here 04 Dodge 2500 Cummins - DD/Tow Rig 02 Z06 Corvette - Weekender 94 FZJ80 - Wheelin Rig. Build in progress: http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129727 72 Buick GS - i.e. the project that will never get done.

11-18-2005, 10:54 PM	#16 (permalink)
colsoncj Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monett, MO (Springfield) Posts: 2,533	also what did the 4wds use for auto trannies, anyone know? __________________ Cory Eastern OK, Western/Northern AR, Southeastern KS, or Southern MO area: OZARKS 4ROC Click Here 04 Dodge 2500 Cummins - DD/Tow Rig 02 Z06 Corvette - Weekender 94 FZJ80 - Wheelin Rig. Build in progress: http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129727 72 Buick GS - i.e. the project that will never get done.

11-18-2005, 10:58 PM	#17 (permalink)
EWAYota Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Richland, Washington Posts: 4,595	C6's 75-79, not sure after that __________________ DJ 1994 Pickup 22RE, Engnbldr 261 cam, 5 speed. Tires that go around and around... Preping for SAS...... Originally Posted By Fustercluck "Proof that Gangus did not spontaneously generate....he has relatives." Originally Posted By Tacoclimber "My two year old better get a job, soon..." Reply Posted By Oly884 "I hear coal mining is a great career." Myspace

11-18-2005, 11:00 PM	#18 (permalink)
EWAYota Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Richland, Washington Posts: 4,595	http://www.ford-trucks.com/article/i...ers_Guide.html __________________ DJ 1994 Pickup 22RE, Engnbldr 261 cam, 5 speed. Tires that go around and around... Preping for SAS...... Originally Posted By Fustercluck "Proof that Gangus did not spontaneously generate....he has relatives." Originally Posted By Tacoclimber "My two year old better get a job, soon..." Reply Posted By Oly884 "I hear coal mining is a great career." Myspace

11-18-2005, 11:41 PM	#19 (permalink)
DudeBud Contributing Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: WA ,monroe Posts: 1,886	just to let you know a windsor will fit easy. thats what is used for my mockup. its also what im thinking about doing but going with a 408 and, puting the 302 that is in my 84 into my 90 after the 3.0 dies __________________ Dan 95 4runner 3vze A/T 84 4runner sr5 Ford 302 T-18 4spd yota t-case yota front and rear both open 37X13.00 boggers 88 4runner 22re 5spd

11-19-2005, 08:19 AM	#20 (permalink)
madbronco Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 70	ok, 79 was the last year of the solid axle front end in your f100's, the f250's were still soild axle the axles were dana 44 in the front and ford 9inch in the rear.the f350's depending on if it was desil or gas, the gas still used the same axles as the 250's, but the desils used dana 60's in the front and either a 9in or a corperate 14 rear. trannys were c6 all the way up to the early 90's, but they also used a aod, c4 and another that i cant remember but the aod is a good tranny if you have it built this tranny is fords answer to chevys 700r, your c6 comes in 2 bell houseing big block and small block, so pay attension to what you buy. as far as the 351w goes, i have a ford bronco that has a built351w in it and it was dynoed at 625hp. that sumbitch hauls ass.. lock it in 4 low and it is unstopable..

11-19-2005, 08:24 AM	#21 (permalink)
stevenassco Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 18	IMO you need to set some goals if you are serious about this -what is it being used for? Mud, rock trails? -how much power do you want? -what is a realistic budget? These make it much easier. IMO I would simply just get a used stock mustang 302 roller (HO) FI engine out of a fox body complete for like $500ish and go from there. They came with forged internals and can be pushed to 600rwhp if neccessary, parts are overflowing out of every corner of the market, technology is booming for it etc. It is a relatively light and compact engine as well. Get one, slap a 8psi supercharger kit on and you can have a reliably 400hp engine no problem for relatively cheap, get good fuel economy, be docile as well. if you got a 351, you could stroke it to 408+, but again, parts are much more money, do you really need 700hp?

11-19-2005, 11:59 PM	#24 (permalink)
colsoncj Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monett, MO (Springfield) Posts: 2,533	Im still swaying back and forth between the 302 and 351.... its goina be one of those. 300RWHP would be more than enough for me. it all just kinda depends what i come across first cheap, 302 or 351. Correction on the trannies... 89 F250 2WD had a E4OD... but i dont know if you could get it in a 4wd... I havent figured out what axles im goina wind up usin yet... but im leaning towards non-toyota. still thinkin bout narrowing a wide front to use for rear steer... but the more i look at different front axles, the more i think its not possible. __________________ Cory Eastern OK, Western/Northern AR, Southeastern KS, or Southern MO area: OZARKS 4ROC Click Here 04 Dodge 2500 Cummins - DD/Tow Rig 02 Z06 Corvette - Weekender 94 FZJ80 - Wheelin Rig. Build in progress: http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129727 72 Buick GS - i.e. the project that will never get done.

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