Best Way to Build a 4-Way Steer?

waterdog · 03-10-2008, 10:12 PM

ok i am lookin for a rear axle with 4 way steer on it if any body nos any where i can find 1 or a site how to may them i can i have tons of axles cause i am wanting 4 way steer on my 88 so please help me
thanks coty

89PICKUP/TACOMA · 03-11-2008, 12:02 PM

Are you wanting to do rear steer or do a 4-way rear steering that turns normal as well as tip vertically as well?

waterdog · 03-11-2008, 01:25 PM

rear steer sorry

4Runner202020 · 03-11-2008, 01:30 PM

thats called quadrasteer. some gmc trucks have it... maybe go to the dealership and check it out...

4Runner202020 · 03-11-2008, 01:32 PM

also this crawler i saw this weekend had it...

it in action

waterdog · 03-11-2008, 02:08 PM

i need to no how to convert a front in to

alpine4x4 · 03-11-2008, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4Runner202020

thats called quadrasteer. some gmc trucks have it... maybe go to the dealership and check it out...

I dont think Gm's qudrasteer is a full lock steering, only an assist.

For converting im not sure. A front axle is a passenger side drop while the rear is in the middle. Im thinking you'll have to add knuckles and such to a rear axle?

waterdog · 03-11-2008, 05:53 PM

HELP PLEASE pixs links anything please guys

89PICKUP/TACOMA · 03-11-2008, 08:45 PM

The GMC's are also controlled by the steering wheel, I am thinking that you would want the rear independently controlled. I'm wanting to do rear steer on my Toyota but that won't come until I have the cash and many other mods come. So I haven't done it yet, but if you wanted a center differential rear axle that steers I would look into getting an extra front axle cutting the knuckles off of it then mounting them on a rear axle. As far as steering goes the best way would be hydraulic. What kind of axle are you wanting to run.

ocdropzone · 03-11-2008, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4Runner202020

thats called quadrasteer. some gmc trucks have it... maybe go to the dealership and check it out...

GMC sold less than 18,000 trucks equipped with quadra steer, it basically tanked.
You could get a Late 80's Prelude with 4 Wheel steering.

To the OP: check out pirate4x4 for 4WS

The crawler in the 4th or 5th post looks like it is using Rockwell axles.

alpine4x4 · 03-12-2008, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89PICKUP/TACOMA

The GMC's are also controlled by the steering wheel, I am thinking that you would want the rear independently controlled. I'm wanting to do rear steer on my Toyota but that won't come until I have the cash and many other mods come. So I haven't done it yet, but if you wanted a center differential rear axle that steers I would look into getting an extra front axle cutting the knuckles off of it then mounting them on a rear axle. As far as steering goes the best way would be hydraulic. What kind of axle are you wanting to run.

IN working with 4ws vehicles most are steering wheel controlled. But there is a switch to activate the rear steer, and a switch to activate it and make it crab walk.

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\ \ <--- Crab walk

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/ / <--- Normal 4ws

Badass pics i know

waterdog · 03-12-2008, 11:51 PM

yea i no rocks can do it my uncle has it i want it on toy axles

stormin94 · 03-13-2008, 12:00 AM

GM's quadrasteer may not have been a great success in terms of sales, but it did open up the full size truck market to the idea. I think it is a cool idea, I just wish they had it on the 3/4 tons, and 1 tons.

CC_yota · 03-13-2008, 12:26 AM

You could take a front axle turn it upside down and use a transfer case out of a older FJ. I know for sure that the front and rear pumpkins on 60's are both on the passenger side. I don't know how well it would work or if it would work at all but my brother and I have kicked around the idea after drinking beer all night long.....

waterdog · 03-13-2008, 01:54 AM

thanks cc ill ponder on it thanks

unclejstoy · 03-18-2008, 09:10 AM

Well from experience with 4way steer on equipment. ( not cars/trucks)
You will need 2 go with hydro steer and you will need a hydro manifold with valves and coils if you plan on multi steer 2/crab/4

your gona have 2 upgrade you pump. now for the steering box I don't know if the IFS box will be enoff. you might have 2 go 2 a full hydro box found on equipment.

As for axles....... i say tractor axles there thick & heavy but off road only.
I don't know about toy/dana front's on the rear and how that will effect ring/pinon lubercation.

AxleIke · 03-18-2008, 10:01 AM

The best way to do this is as stated: Hydro. In fact, its the only way I can think of to do it.

You need all the valves and everything to make it work, again, as stated.

This should cost you around 4k new, less if you find all the stuff used and use really crappy axles. If you build this properly, it will be really cool. If you don't, you will have a good time breaking the rear end apart a lot.

colsoncj · 03-18-2008, 12:31 PM

If you wanted to keep it all yota:

Take a SA front and cut the knuckles off. Weld them onto the rear axle with the proper caster angle you want. Then take two long side axle shafts from the front and cut them down and spline to fit the rear. then just fab a steering setup.

If you want to go beefier, cut the knuckles off a D60 and weld onto a toy rear axle. then just repeat the other steps.

I saw a guy the other day that welded knuckles off a rockwell onto a GM 14bolt to accomplish the same in his full size rig. then took the rockwell spiders and welded them into the 14bolt carrier and used rock axles.

I eventually would like rear steer and think i'm going to go with the all toyota method... cuts down on the amount of spare parts you need to carry too!

AxleIke · 03-18-2008, 01:38 PM

It would be next to impossible to get a mechanical steering set up to work. You could do it but holy crap. Hydro is a billion times easier, and is much better over all.

customcruiser · 03-18-2008, 04:20 PM

As everyone else has stated Hydro is the only logical way but its pretty easy and cheap to do.
The hard part is the rear steer axle, I've seen a few forsale on Pirate but I think an only toyota wouldnt hold up very well
unless you started with a set of 80's, cut the knuckles off the front and put them on the rear, then get Longs but thats $$
If your doing it you might as well use a 60 and resleeve the short side and cut down the long side to length but thats $$ also

AxleIke · 03-18-2008, 04:38 PM

The cheapest hydro set up i've seen was a grand. That didn't include upgraded pumps and the like. He would want two for the best set up, front and rear.

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waterdog Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 16	Best Way to Build a rear Steer? ok i am lookin for a rear axle with 4 way steer on it if any body nos any where i can find 1 or a site how to may them i can i have tons of axles cause i am wanting 4 way steer on my 88 so please help me thanks coty __________________ dont make me flex Last edited by waterdog : 03-11-2008 at 01:25 PM.

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89PICKUP/TACOMA Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Gunnison/Fort Collins CO Posts: 7	Are you wanting to do rear steer or do a 4-way rear steering that turns normal as well as tip vertically as well? __________________ 89 Pickup 22RE 3" Body, on 33"x12.50", 03 Baja Concepts Tacoma Body with 3" Flares. Plans; new engine, solid axle swap.

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waterdog Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 16	rear steer sorry __________________ dont make me flex

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4Runner202020 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Fort Collins Posts: 545	thats called quadrasteer. some gmc trucks have it... maybe go to the dealership and check it out... __________________ 96 4Runner, 4in lift (883's w/ top plate spacer, Land Cruiser's 8 coil) Pro Comp Xtreme AT 315/75/16's. rear e-locker *I UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE JEEP THING THATS WHY I HAVE A TOYOTA!!*

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4Runner202020 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Fort Collins Posts: 545	also this crawler i saw this weekend had it... it in action __________________ 96 4Runner, 4in lift (883's w/ top plate spacer, Land Cruiser's 8 coil) Pro Comp Xtreme AT 315/75/16's. rear e-locker *I UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE JEEP THING THATS WHY I HAVE A TOYOTA!!*

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waterdog Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 16	i need to no how to convert a front in to __________________ dont make me flex

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waterdog Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 16	HELP PLEASE pixs links anything please guys __________________ dont make me flex

03-11-2008, 08:45 PM	#9 (permalink)
89PICKUP/TACOMA Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Gunnison/Fort Collins CO Posts: 7	The GMC's are also controlled by the steering wheel, I am thinking that you would want the rear independently controlled. I'm wanting to do rear steer on my Toyota but that won't come until I have the cash and many other mods come. So I haven't done it yet, but if you wanted a center differential rear axle that steers I would look into getting an extra front axle cutting the knuckles off of it then mounting them on a rear axle. As far as steering goes the best way would be hydraulic. What kind of axle are you wanting to run. __________________ 89 Pickup 22RE 3" Body, on 33"x12.50", 03 Baja Concepts Tacoma Body with 3" Flares. Plans; new engine, solid axle swap.

03-12-2008, 11:51 PM	#12 (permalink)
waterdog Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 16	yea i no rocks can do it my uncle has it i want it on toy axles __________________ dont make me flex

03-13-2008, 12:00 AM	#13 (permalink)
stormin94 Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Lake County, CA/Sacramento Posts: 3,281	GM's quadrasteer may not have been a great success in terms of sales, but it did open up the full size truck market to the idea. I think it is a cool idea, I just wish they had it on the 3/4 tons, and 1 tons. __________________ 1994 Toyota 4Runner SR5 4X4 208,000 miles and counting 3.0 V6, 5 speed 14/19 MPG city/hwy(before 33's) Current Mods Headers, 2.5" Flowmaster custom exhaust, K&N FIPK KC Daylighter 100 Watt lights Ranchos x4, 2" Lift Downey coils 33-12.50 M/T's, 1" t-bar lift, 1" body lift Tow pkg w/ lighthookups Silverstar Headlights, Pioneer Deck w/XM Brushguard 250Watt JLAudio 8" W3 Sub Future Mods 12V Aux outlet-400/800peak inverter roof basket/lights Air locker 4.88 gears H.O. Alternator

03-13-2008, 12:26 AM	#14 (permalink)
CC_yota Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: ATX/ Waco Posts: 374	You could take a front axle turn it upside down and use a transfer case out of a older FJ. I know for sure that the front and rear pumpkins on 60's are both on the passenger side. I don't know how well it would work or if it would work at all but my brother and I have kicked around the idea after drinking beer all night long..... __________________ 95 4Runner- 3vze- A/T- 4.88's Currently LC Coils BJ Spacers SAW T-Bars 32x11.50 BFG A/T's 15x8 black Rockcrawlers Marlin Crawler rear bumper

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waterdog Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 16	thanks cc ill ponder on it thanks __________________ dont make me flex

03-18-2008, 09:10 AM	#16 (permalink)
unclejstoy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 72	Well from experience with 4way steer on equipment. ( not cars/trucks) You will need 2 go with hydro steer and you will need a hydro manifold with valves and coils if you plan on multi steer 2/crab/4 your gona have 2 upgrade you pump. now for the steering box I don't know if the IFS box will be enoff. you might have 2 go 2 a full hydro box found on equipment. As for axles....... i say tractor axles there thick & heavy but off road only. I don't know about toy/dana front's on the rear and how that will effect ring/pinon lubercation. __________________ J.E.E.P Japanese Engineering Eventually Prevails Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand things with alloys and compositions and things with... molecular structures.

03-18-2008, 10:01 AM	#17 (permalink)
AxleIke Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 4,558	The best way to do this is as stated: Hydro. In fact, its the only way I can think of to do it. You need all the valves and everything to make it work, again, as stated. This should cost you around 4k new, less if you find all the stuff used and use really crappy axles. If you build this properly, it will be really cool. If you don't, you will have a good time breaking the rear end apart a lot. __________________ IFS SAS My mods aren't bling enough for the signature line. -All Terrains are for when you know how to drive.

03-18-2008, 12:31 PM	#18 (permalink)
colsoncj Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monett, MO (Springfield) Posts: 2,488	If you wanted to keep it all yota: Take a SA front and cut the knuckles off. Weld them onto the rear axle with the proper caster angle you want. Then take two long side axle shafts from the front and cut them down and spline to fit the rear. then just fab a steering setup. If you want to go beefier, cut the knuckles off a D60 and weld onto a toy rear axle. then just repeat the other steps. I saw a guy the other day that welded knuckles off a rockwell onto a GM 14bolt to accomplish the same in his full size rig. then took the rockwell spiders and welded them into the 14bolt carrier and used rock axles. I eventually would like rear steer and think i'm going to go with the all toyota method... cuts down on the amount of spare parts you need to carry too! __________________ Cory Eastern OK, Western/Northern AR, Southeastern KS, or Southern MO area: OZARKS 4ROC Click Here 04 Dodge 2500 Cummins - DD/Tow Rig 02 Z06 Corvette - Weekender 94 FZJ80 - Wheelin Rig. Currently on 33"s, plan to go 35"s. 72 Buick GS - i.e. the project that will never get done.

03-18-2008, 01:38 PM	#19 (permalink)
AxleIke Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 4,558	It would be next to impossible to get a mechanical steering set up to work. You could do it but holy crap. Hydro is a billion times easier, and is much better over all. __________________ IFS SAS My mods aren't bling enough for the signature line. -All Terrains are for when you know how to drive.

03-18-2008, 04:20 PM	#20 (permalink)
customcruiser Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Race City USA (Mooresville, NC - LKN) Posts: 680	As everyone else has stated Hydro is the only logical way but its pretty easy and cheap to do. The hard part is the rear steer axle, I've seen a few forsale on Pirate but I think an only toyota wouldnt hold up very well unless you started with a set of 80's, cut the knuckles off the front and put them on the rear, then get Longs but thats $$ If your doing it you might as well use a 60 and resleeve the short side and cut down the long side to length but thats $$ also __________________ 94 4Runner Truggy 60/14B, 3Link w/18" Air Shox Chopped & Exo'd 42's on H1 Beadlocks Pirate4x4 Build Thread 03 Tundra Crawler Hauler/Baja DD 3" Lift, Fiberglass Fenders Prerunner Bumper, (3) 9" Lights

03-18-2008, 04:38 PM	#21 (permalink)
AxleIke Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 4,558	The cheapest hydro set up i've seen was a grand. That didn't include upgraded pumps and the like. He would want two for the best set up, front and rear. __________________ IFS SAS My mods aren't bling enough for the signature line. -All Terrains are for when you know how to drive.