2nd gen 3-Link rear with Coilovers

customcruiser · 03-02-2006, 01:01 PM

all before Tellico.........

i am planning on 3-link wishbone in the rear (i have some measurements but not with me). with 14" coilovers or RE TJ front coils with adjustable plates.

1.5 DOM sleaved 1.75 DOM - RE Large joints and Currie CE9110S (2.5" w/stud) for the lowers.

1.75 DOM with 3/4 heims for the Upper Wishbone

parts i have....
1.75 DOM 1/8"
2 Large RE Joints
4 3/4" Heims
1/4 Plate for Tabs

parts i need.....
14" 2" KingCoilovers (not sure what i am really needing as far as valving and spring rates)
1.50 DOM
2 Currie CE9110S Joints
Weld in Inserts 3/4" and 1" (can't find 1")
2x3" 1/4 Stock for Crossmembers

Praufet · 03-02-2006, 03:12 PM

Talk to adrian and scott about spring rates. I know polyperformance will let you send springs back so you can try them out and find what's best.

Cebby · 03-02-2006, 03:59 PM

x2 on Pig at Poly.

It would probably be helpful if you can find somewhere to weight your rig at all 4 corners. It will help Poly help you with the spring selection.

4RunnerKid · 03-02-2006, 05:00 PM

i'm aboiut 5 min from poly performance. next time i am over there i'll ask Dave or Drew what they think and post that info.

customcruiser · 03-02-2006, 08:45 PM

thanks for the help......

i wanna cut tomorrow but i know i shouldnt

customcruiser · 03-02-2006, 09:02 PM

about coilover???????

single rate....
dual rate......
triple rate.....

Praufet · 03-02-2006, 09:16 PM

I'd go either single or dual. Depending on the trails you run, the math with a triple rate can be a bit tricky.

Cebby · 03-02-2006, 09:29 PM

Didn't Scottz have a custom 3 link?

Praufet · 03-02-2006, 11:27 PM

Ya, he used 10'' sway aways he found in a junk yard. The lengths and spring rates would be different. I think adrians new setup is using 14" sway aways so the rates would be more of what he's looking for.

4RunnerKid · 03-02-2006, 11:44 PM

i would go with dual rates... as for the spring rates, you'll need something a little on the dtiff side since 4Runners are so heavy in the rear. maybe a 450 over a 650... or even a 550 over a 650... i'll def ask the guys at poly performance next time i'm there.

customcruiser · 03-03-2006, 01:45 PM

i am planning on lighting up the rear alittle bobbing and chopping....

its trail only built for tellico i hope atleast i will see on may 11

thanks a bunch

customcruiser · 03-10-2006, 08:08 PM

50 degree angle for 3-link
uppers 40"
lowers 54"
9" seperation at axle
4" seperation at frame

Flygtenstein · 03-10-2006, 10:51 PM

Spring rate depends on coilover angle.

You are going to need to spring the hell out of it if they are angled like Scott's. He is in the sixes while my verticle ones are in the 2's and 3's.

Dual rate, you have to on something that tall. No reason for triple, do some more investigating.

Other things of note:
1. Do you know how long a 14" travel coilover is? That is one long SOB. With 12's at verticle, I am still mostly droop.

2. What axle width? I am just shy of 67" WMS to WMS and with coilovers outside of the frame things are tight in those wheel wells.

Without cutting frame or getting a wide axle, you are head for disaster.

Erich_870 · 03-10-2006, 11:15 PM

You mentioned you couldn't find 1" Weld in inserts...

Check these guys out, they might have what your looking for (AED Motorsport Products) http://www.aedmotorsport.com/TubeAda...beAdapters.htm

Erich

customcruiser · 03-11-2006, 12:36 PM

dual rate

Here is a diagram of how a dual rate coilover works. Notice that the first or primary spring rate is a combination of the two springs working together. The second or secondary spring rate kicks in when the floater engages the lock ring. This eliminates any movement on the part of the top spring and in effect uses only the lower spring. What that means is that your secondary spring rate is your bottom spring.
quote from http://www.offroad-engineering.com/howduracoovw.html

The King PreRunner 2.0 14" Coilovers are
21.6 compressed to 35.6 extended

the Bilstein 5150's are
17.8 compressed to 29.7 extended

i am not planning on full widths yet..... i will be running the shocks angled on the inside of the frame, although i dont mind having to cut the floor or even tub the rear frame

customcruiser · 04-07-2006, 02:11 PM

$$ getting tight not sure on coilovers before Tellico, but will have a new 3-Link

got my joints today.........
upper 3-link built - 1.75 x 1/8" DOM
lowers links sleeved - 1.5 x 1/4" sleeved 1.75 x 1/8" DOM

just gotta put in the bungs and take it to get fully welded.
and do my crossmembers

3 - 2.5" Currie
2 - 2.5" Currie Joints
2 - 2.5" Rubicon Express Joints
All Hardware
pics of my joints

Flygtenstein · 04-07-2006, 11:28 PM

1.75" .120 wall DOM is really great material for sliders and cages.

By upper 3-link, I am assuming you mean wishbone.

Start with 1/4 wall or sleeve what you have. That is not enough upper beef in a wishbone.

customcruiser · 04-17-2006, 07:48 PM

the upper will not hit any rocks.... atleast i hope. i think 1/8" is plenty thick

finished links and crossmember for lower links

need to mount lowers to axle
build bridge for axle 3-link mount
and mount the 3-link to frame
shocks

pics soon

Napoleon047 · 04-17-2006, 10:23 PM

the upper might not hit rocks but it will have to deal with all the sideload of keeping the axle centered

customcruiser · 09-11-2006, 02:23 PM

what coilovers should i get and what type of spring rate??

buying them on Wed.

03-02-2006, 01:01 PM	#1 (permalink)
customcruiser Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Race City USA (Mooresville, NC - LKN) Posts: 680	2nd gen 3-Link rear with Coilovers all before Tellico......... i am planning on 3-link wishbone in the rear (i have some measurements but not with me). with 14" coilovers or RE TJ front coils with adjustable plates. 1.5 DOM sleaved 1.75 DOM - RE Large joints and Currie CE9110S (2.5" w/stud) for the lowers. 1.75 DOM with 3/4 heims for the Upper Wishbone parts i have.... 1.75 DOM 1/8" 2 Large RE Joints 4 3/4" Heims 1/4 Plate for Tabs parts i need..... 14" 2" KingCoilovers (not sure what i am really needing as far as valving and spring rates) 1.50 DOM 2 Currie CE9110S Joints Weld in Inserts 3/4" and 1" (can't find 1") 2x3" 1/4 Stock for Crossmembers __________________ 94 4Runner Truggy 60/14B, 3Link w/18" Air Shox Chopped & Exo'd 42's on H1 Beadlocks Pirate4x4 Build Thread 03 Tundra Crawler Hauler/Baja DD 3" Lift, Fiberglass Fenders Prerunner Bumper, (3) 9" Lights Last edited by customcruiser : 03-02-2006 at 01:08 PM.

03-02-2006, 03:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
Praufet Contributing Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fort Worth/College Station, TX Posts: 835	Talk to adrian and scott about spring rates. I know polyperformance will let you send springs back so you can try them out and find what's best. __________________ --Brian '94 4Runner SR5 4WD 285 Terra Grapplers on FJ80 wheels\|Rancho 9000s on all 4 corners\|Cruiser coils\|Marlin Rear brake line Stereo CDT Audio CL-61A\|CDT Audio CL-6X\|Profile 640 and Profile 600M\|Audiobahn 100Q

03-02-2006, 03:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
Cebby Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 11,270	x2 on Pig at Poly. It would probably be helpful if you can find somewhere to weight your rig at all 4 corners. It will help Poly help you with the spring selection. __________________ UZswap.com A site dedicated to sharing info for swapping the Toyota/ Lexus UZ (V8) engines into Toyota Trucks and 4Runners. My 4Runner 1993 4Runner, 1UZ (V8) auto dual ultimate crawler, double locked, 35's on beadlocked SR5 alloys, low lift, hacked fenders, tubbed firewall, custom armor TOOLandFAB.com A discussion forum dedicated to tools, fabrication & workshops. See my JD2 Bender Hydro Conversion BUY THIS 2008 CALENDAR

03-02-2006, 05:00 PM	#4 (permalink)
4RunnerKid Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Sac + SLO, CA Posts: 1,003	i'm aboiut 5 min from poly performance. next time i am over there i'll ask Dave or Drew what they think and post that info. __________________ -Mikey- 1993 4Runner ~ TG 5" HD/RUF front \| All Pro ~4" rear \| 37" Krawlers \| bomb-proof front housing \| Marlin UM06s \| 12" Fox 2.0s \| Aussie front \| Lock-Right rear \| 5-speed swap \| TG 4.7s \| 5.29s \| bumpers \| sliders \| t-case skid \| K&N intake \| Flowmaster 40 \| Optima red top \| clear lenses \| PIAA 1400s \| KCs \| LED rock lights \| Midland CB \| Firestik 4' antenna \| PIAA superwhites \| stereo Polygoats 4-Wheel Drive Club -> check it yo

03-02-2006, 08:45 PM	#5 (permalink)
customcruiser Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Race City USA (Mooresville, NC - LKN) Posts: 680	thanks for the help...... i wanna cut tomorrow but i know i shouldnt __________________ 94 4Runner Truggy 60/14B, 3Link w/18" Air Shox Chopped & Exo'd 42's on H1 Beadlocks Pirate4x4 Build Thread 03 Tundra Crawler Hauler/Baja DD 3" Lift, Fiberglass Fenders Prerunner Bumper, (3) 9" Lights

03-02-2006, 09:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
customcruiser Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Race City USA (Mooresville, NC - LKN) Posts: 680	about coilover??????? single rate.... dual rate...... triple rate..... __________________ 94 4Runner Truggy 60/14B, 3Link w/18" Air Shox Chopped & Exo'd 42's on H1 Beadlocks Pirate4x4 Build Thread 03 Tundra Crawler Hauler/Baja DD 3" Lift, Fiberglass Fenders Prerunner Bumper, (3) 9" Lights

03-02-2006, 09:16 PM	#7 (permalink)
Praufet Contributing Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fort Worth/College Station, TX Posts: 835	I'd go either single or dual. Depending on the trails you run, the math with a triple rate can be a bit tricky. __________________ --Brian '94 4Runner SR5 4WD 285 Terra Grapplers on FJ80 wheels\|Rancho 9000s on all 4 corners\|Cruiser coils\|Marlin Rear brake line Stereo CDT Audio CL-61A\|CDT Audio CL-6X\|Profile 640 and Profile 600M\|Audiobahn 100Q

03-02-2006, 09:29 PM	#8 (permalink)
Cebby Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 11,270	Didn't Scottz have a custom 3 link? __________________ UZswap.com A site dedicated to sharing info for swapping the Toyota/ Lexus UZ (V8) engines into Toyota Trucks and 4Runners. My 4Runner 1993 4Runner, 1UZ (V8) auto dual ultimate crawler, double locked, 35's on beadlocked SR5 alloys, low lift, hacked fenders, tubbed firewall, custom armor TOOLandFAB.com A discussion forum dedicated to tools, fabrication & workshops. See my JD2 Bender Hydro Conversion BUY THIS 2008 CALENDAR

03-02-2006, 11:27 PM	#9 (permalink)
Praufet Contributing Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fort Worth/College Station, TX Posts: 835	Ya, he used 10'' sway aways he found in a junk yard. The lengths and spring rates would be different. I think adrians new setup is using 14" sway aways so the rates would be more of what he's looking for. __________________ --Brian '94 4Runner SR5 4WD 285 Terra Grapplers on FJ80 wheels\|Rancho 9000s on all 4 corners\|Cruiser coils\|Marlin Rear brake line Stereo CDT Audio CL-61A\|CDT Audio CL-6X\|Profile 640 and Profile 600M\|Audiobahn 100Q

03-02-2006, 11:44 PM	#10 (permalink)
4RunnerKid Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Sac + SLO, CA Posts: 1,003	i would go with dual rates... as for the spring rates, you'll need something a little on the dtiff side since 4Runners are so heavy in the rear. maybe a 450 over a 650... or even a 550 over a 650... i'll def ask the guys at poly performance next time i'm there. __________________ -Mikey- 1993 4Runner ~ TG 5" HD/RUF front \| All Pro ~4" rear \| 37" Krawlers \| bomb-proof front housing \| Marlin UM06s \| 12" Fox 2.0s \| Aussie front \| Lock-Right rear \| 5-speed swap \| TG 4.7s \| 5.29s \| bumpers \| sliders \| t-case skid \| K&N intake \| Flowmaster 40 \| Optima red top \| clear lenses \| PIAA 1400s \| KCs \| LED rock lights \| Midland CB \| Firestik 4' antenna \| PIAA superwhites \| stereo Polygoats 4-Wheel Drive Club -> check it yo

03-03-2006, 01:45 PM	#11 (permalink)
customcruiser Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Race City USA (Mooresville, NC - LKN) Posts: 680	i am planning on lighting up the rear alittle bobbing and chopping.... its trail only built for tellico i hope atleast i will see on may 11 thanks a bunch __________________ 94 4Runner Truggy 60/14B, 3Link w/18" Air Shox Chopped & Exo'd 42's on H1 Beadlocks Pirate4x4 Build Thread 03 Tundra Crawler Hauler/Baja DD 3" Lift, Fiberglass Fenders Prerunner Bumper, (3) 9" Lights

03-10-2006, 08:08 PM	#12 (permalink)
customcruiser Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Race City USA (Mooresville, NC - LKN) Posts: 680	50 degree angle for 3-link uppers 40" lowers 54" 9" seperation at axle 4" seperation at frame __________________ 94 4Runner Truggy 60/14B, 3Link w/18" Air Shox Chopped & Exo'd 42's on H1 Beadlocks Pirate4x4 Build Thread 03 Tundra Crawler Hauler/Baja DD 3" Lift, Fiberglass Fenders Prerunner Bumper, (3) 9" Lights

03-10-2006, 10:51 PM	#13 (permalink)
Flygtenstein Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 4,257	Spring rate depends on coilover angle. You are going to need to spring the hell out of it if they are angled like Scott's. He is in the sixes while my verticle ones are in the 2's and 3's. Dual rate, you have to on something that tall. No reason for triple, do some more investigating. Other things of note: 1. Do you know how long a 14" travel coilover is? That is one long SOB. With 12's at verticle, I am still mostly droop. 2. What axle width? I am just shy of 67" WMS to WMS and with coilovers outside of the frame things are tight in those wheel wells. Without cutting frame or getting a wide axle, you are head for disaster. __________________ Ease on down the road.

03-10-2006, 11:15 PM	#14 (permalink)
Erich_870 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Juneau, AK Posts: 972	You mentioned you couldn't find 1" Weld in inserts... Check these guys out, they might have what your looking for (AED Motorsport Products) http://www.aedmotorsport.com/TubeAda...beAdapters.htm Erich __________________ 99' Black 4Runner with Highlander Package 16x8 black ProComp 1069 alloy wheels, Thule MOAB rack My Profile My Hobbies

03-11-2006, 12:36 PM	#15 (permalink)
customcruiser Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Race City USA (Mooresville, NC - LKN) Posts: 680	dual rate Here is a diagram of how a dual rate coilover works. Notice that the first or primary spring rate is a combination of the two springs working together. The second or secondary spring rate kicks in when the floater engages the lock ring. This eliminates any movement on the part of the top spring and in effect uses only the lower spring. What that means is that your secondary spring rate is your bottom spring. quote from http://www.offroad-engineering.com/howduracoovw.html The King PreRunner 2.0 14" Coilovers are 21.6 compressed to 35.6 extended the Bilstein 5150's are 17.8 compressed to 29.7 extended i am not planning on full widths yet..... i will be running the shocks angled on the inside of the frame, although i dont mind having to cut the floor or even tub the rear frame __________________ 94 4Runner Truggy 60/14B, 3Link w/18" Air Shox Chopped & Exo'd 42's on H1 Beadlocks Pirate4x4 Build Thread 03 Tundra Crawler Hauler/Baja DD 3" Lift, Fiberglass Fenders Prerunner Bumper, (3) 9" Lights

04-07-2006, 02:11 PM	#16 (permalink)
customcruiser Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Race City USA (Mooresville, NC - LKN) Posts: 680	$$ getting tight not sure on coilovers before Tellico, but will have a new 3-Link got my joints today......... upper 3-link built - 1.75 x 1/8" DOM lowers links sleeved - 1.5 x 1/4" sleeved 1.75 x 1/8" DOM just gotta put in the bungs and take it to get fully welded. and do my crossmembers 3 - 2.5" Currie 2 - 2.5" Currie Joints 2 - 2.5" Rubicon Express Joints All Hardware pics of my joints __________________ 94 4Runner Truggy 60/14B, 3Link w/18" Air Shox Chopped & Exo'd 42's on H1 Beadlocks Pirate4x4 Build Thread 03 Tundra Crawler Hauler/Baja DD 3" Lift, Fiberglass Fenders Prerunner Bumper, (3) 9" Lights

04-07-2006, 11:28 PM	#17 (permalink)
Flygtenstein Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 4,257	1.75" .120 wall DOM is really great material for sliders and cages. By upper 3-link, I am assuming you mean wishbone. Start with 1/4 wall or sleeve what you have. That is not enough upper beef in a wishbone. __________________ Ease on down the road.

04-17-2006, 07:48 PM	#18 (permalink)
customcruiser Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Race City USA (Mooresville, NC - LKN) Posts: 680	the upper will not hit any rocks.... atleast i hope. i think 1/8" is plenty thick finished links and crossmember for lower links need to mount lowers to axle build bridge for axle 3-link mount and mount the 3-link to frame shocks pics soon __________________ 94 4Runner Truggy 60/14B, 3Link w/18" Air Shox Chopped & Exo'd 42's on H1 Beadlocks Pirate4x4 Build Thread 03 Tundra Crawler Hauler/Baja DD 3" Lift, Fiberglass Fenders Prerunner Bumper, (3) 9" Lights

04-17-2006, 10:23 PM	#19 (permalink)
Napoleon047 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 1,002	the upper might not hit rocks but it will have to deal with all the sideload of keeping the axle centered __________________ -Peter 86 4runner SAS - Trail Rig 94 FZJ80 - DD the dirt cheap SAS Marko Customs

09-11-2006, 02:23 PM	#20 (permalink)
customcruiser Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Race City USA (Mooresville, NC - LKN) Posts: 680	what coilovers should i get and what type of spring rate?? buying them on Wed. __________________ 94 4Runner Truggy 60/14B, 3Link w/18" Air Shox Chopped & Exo'd 42's on H1 Beadlocks Pirate4x4 Build Thread 03 Tundra Crawler Hauler/Baja DD 3" Lift, Fiberglass Fenders Prerunner Bumper, (3) 9" Lights