I will stop complaining about my 22R. I died on the way home from Miners.

sschaefer3 · 03-09-2008, 06:34 AM

The party is over, the original 1981 22R with 300,000K is DEAD. It ran a bit weird out there, but ran the trail fine. Then on the way back it started back firing with too much throttle, so I eased in to Mesa amazed I made it that far and then on to Tempe. Going up Rural I know it was only running on 2 cylinders or so.

Sucks, but I can't say I did not see it coming. Now I just have to figure out what new engine to get, a 3.4 would be nice, but requires alot of new parts like a Transmission. An LC engine seems to make sense, but that are alot of money. But that has never really stopped me in he past, this buggy is the biggest money pit ever, what's a little more.

The buggy works really well and the only crummy thing left on it was that motor. Now that will be gone too.

sschaefer3 · 03-09-2008, 06:43 AM

I don't really have time to re-build it, I really don't have time to swap it out, but I will make time. This is the one I have had my eye on.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/22R-2...spagenameZWDVW

AxleIke · 03-09-2008, 07:04 AM

Bummer man. Good luck with the rebuild/replace.

Bighead · 03-09-2008, 07:12 AM

Wow...that sucks. Sorry to hear about the problem Steve.

***waskillywabbit*** · 03-09-2008, 07:13 AM

I bought a 3.4 engine/5spd tranny with all the other stuff for $1300...if you are going to replace it...might as well upgrade.

300K is a ton of miles!

BLKNBLU · 03-09-2008, 08:19 AM

3rz. You know you want to.

111db · 03-09-2008, 09:09 AM

That Ebay link doesn't seem like a bad price considering everything they list on the site. Hard to tell what the quality of the parts they use are though. {edit} I would insist that brand new headbolts are installed. I already told you my story...

My opinion (like it matters...) after seeing the buggy in action a couple times is to stick with a lightweight engine like the 22. It seems like a huge advantage. Obviously you don't need additional horsepower. Personally I'd lean toward a fuel injected R/E, but that would interfere with your preference to run propane.

Great trip yesterday - glad you made it back. How long did it take to de-thaw your boy?

SOAZtim · 03-09-2008, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sschaefer3

The party is over, the original 1981 22R with 300,000K is DEAD. It ran a bit weird out there, but ran the trail fine. Then on the way back it started back firing with too much throttle, so I eased in to Mesa amazed I made it that far and then on to Tempe. Going up Rural I know it was only running on 2 cylinders or so.

Sucks, but I can't say I did not see it coming. Now I just have to figure out what new engine to get, a 3.4 would be nice, but requires alot of new parts like a Transmission. An LC engine seems to make sense, but that are alot of money. But that has never really stopped me in he past, this buggy is the biggest money pit ever, what's a little more.

The buggy works really well and the only crummy thing left on it was that motor. Now that will be gone too.

Damn! Sorry to hear that steve! It put up a good show of 300k miles. The last few were pretty abusive too.

**Elvota** · 03-09-2008, 09:58 AM

pssssst.... 3.4.

wormhole · 03-09-2008, 01:53 PM

What about an older toyota diesel then run it off vegetable oil. I wonder if you can use propane injection on that (bbq and french fries on the trail

)

**Elvota** · 03-09-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by wormhole

What about an older toyota diesel then run it off vegetable oil. I wonder if you can use propane injection on that (bbq and french fries on the trail

)

You might be on to something T.

Wheel for the morning on propane. BBQ for lunch and put the extra oil in a secondary tank. Burn the oil home.

That's pretty close to perpetual motion.

sschaefer3 · 03-09-2008, 07:52 PM

The buggy has a brand new Marlin L52HD tranny, so I would rather just get another 22R. One that works and is not all ragged out with 300K on it should be fine for a 3400 pound vehicle.

The fact that Westall and Koch can blow by me on the freeway leads me to believe that old motor was in really sad shape. With a truck that light and 5.29's it should have alot more power.

I'll just get another 22R, it seems to work extremely well with that motor.

westy44runner · 03-09-2008, 08:26 PM

You just need another 22r like you have been saying for awhile now. Keep it simple and get it back on the trail. I am betting with a rebuilt 22r you will notice a significant power increase.

A 3.4 or 2.7 would be cool but on the trail I dont know if it would be worth all the extra money and hassle to swap, rewire, new tranny, adapter, etc etc...if it was a street/trail rig then yes it would be worth it since street driving would be a huge benefit.

You want more power...talk to Cary about his turbo'd 22r propane buggy!

Albuquerque Jim · 03-09-2008, 11:22 PM

Sorry it finally went, but we knew it was coming.

Get the 22r and I will come out for a weekend.

sschaefer3 · 03-10-2008, 10:27 AM

I bought the engine on eBay, I called them and they said the only thing you can do to the older 22R engines is put the RV cam in with bigger valves.

I also stuck with an 81 as it has the double chain with the steel guides.

They are also going to try to find me a re-man distributor. I should be good to go then. The motor and distributor would be the last of the old worn out crap.

I'll keep the propane and the Marlin tranny and just fix what is broken. It's time to wheel this thing, I have spent enough time building it.

BLKNBLU · 03-10-2008, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sschaefer3

They are also going to try to find me a re-man distributor. I should be good to go then. The motor and distributor would be the last of the old worn out crap.

Have you considered sending yours out to Boyle Technology for rebuild while the buggy is down. They could dial in a little extra juice for you.

http://yellowpages.superpages.com/pr...D%3D&SRC=local

http://www.yotatech.com/f116/questio...87/index2.html
http://www.yotatech.com/f116/stronge...rnator-100839/

**Elvota** · 03-10-2008, 12:19 PM

I've got kind of a weird work schedule coming up here for the next few months, but if you need a hand with the swap... let me know as well.

sschaefer3 · 03-10-2008, 02:42 PM

The new motor will be on a semi heading this way by Friday.

03-09-2008, 06:34 AM	#1 (permalink)
sschaefer3 Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tempe, Arizona Posts: 5,470	I will stop complaining about my 22R. I died on the way home from Miners. The party is over, the original 1981 22R with 300,000K is DEAD. It ran a bit weird out there, but ran the trail fine. Then on the way back it started back firing with too much throttle, so I eased in to Mesa amazed I made it that far and then on to Tempe. Going up Rural I know it was only running on 2 cylinders or so. Sucks, but I can't say I did not see it coming. Now I just have to figure out what new engine to get, a 3.4 would be nice, but requires alot of new parts like a Transmission. An LC engine seems to make sense, but that are alot of money. But that has never really stopped me in he past, this buggy is the biggest money pit ever, what's a little more. The buggy works really well and the only crummy thing left on it was that motor. Now that will be gone too. __________________ Steve Schaefer *WWW.SonoranSteel.Com* Suspension Lift Kits * Rock Sliders * Straight Axle Conversions * 4Runner/FJC Rubicon Express Lower Links * Accessories * Daystar Products Dealer * TJM Bull Bar Dealer * Deaver Leaf Spring Dealer * Tokico & Bilstein Shock Dealer * ViAir Dealer * Total Chaos Dealer * and like everyone else a Trail Gear Dealer Last edited by sschaefer3 : 03-09-2008 at 06:35 AM.

03-09-2008, 06:43 AM	#2 (permalink)
sschaefer3 Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tempe, Arizona Posts: 5,470	I don't really have time to re-build it, I really don't have time to swap it out, but I will make time. This is the one I have had my eye on. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/22R-2...spagenameZWDVW __________________ Steve Schaefer *WWW.SonoranSteel.Com* Suspension Lift Kits * Rock Sliders * Straight Axle Conversions * 4Runner/FJC Rubicon Express Lower Links * Accessories * Daystar Products Dealer * TJM Bull Bar Dealer * Deaver Leaf Spring Dealer * Tokico & Bilstein Shock Dealer * ViAir Dealer * Total Chaos Dealer * and like everyone else a Trail Gear Dealer

03-09-2008, 07:04 AM	#3 (permalink)
AxleIke Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 4,558	Bummer man. Good luck with the rebuild/replace. __________________ IFS SAS My mods aren't bling enough for the signature line. -All Terrains are for when you know how to drive.

03-09-2008, 07:12 AM	#4 (permalink)
Bighead Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: 13SDD95121610 Posts: 1,278	Wow...that sucks. Sorry to hear about the problem Steve. __________________ Lance 2001 4Runner Limited 4X4 -- Stock Sonoran Steel 2004 Land Cruiser -- OME Medium Lift \| Nitto Terra Grapplers

03-09-2008, 07:13 AM	#5 (permalink)
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03-09-2008, 09:09 AM	#7 (permalink)
111db Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Mesa AZ Posts: 1,196	That Ebay link doesn't seem like a bad price considering everything they list on the site. Hard to tell what the quality of the parts they use are though. {edit} I would insist that brand new headbolts are installed. I already told you my story... My opinion (like it matters...) after seeing the buggy in action a couple times is to stick with a lightweight engine like the 22. It seems like a huge advantage. Obviously you don't need additional horsepower. Personally I'd lean toward a fuel injected R/E, but that would interfere with your preference to run propane. Great trip yesterday - glad you made it back. How long did it take to de-thaw your boy? __________________ Jon *97 4Runner 3.4 4.88's * ARB Lockers F/R * ARB compressor * Sonoran Steel numba 1 * 285 BFG AT/KO * TJM 17 * BudBuilt Skids * Stubbs Sliders & BBQ sauce * Irbis out back * Various Electronic Gadgets** Last edited by 111db : 03-09-2008 at 09:11 AM.

03-09-2008, 09:58 AM	#9 (permalink)
Elvota Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Phx, AZ Posts: 3,458	pssssst.... 3.4. __________________ ================ 1990 4Runner \| V6 3.4 \| 5spd \| 240 someoddthousand miles \| SR5 \| SAS \| RLS \| 35's \| ARB \| TJM \| 217 to 1 \| W8000 - four wheels \| three sticks \| two hands \| one trail - RIGITY DIGITY

03-09-2008, 01:53 PM	#10 (permalink)
wormhole Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Missouri/Arkansas/Idaho/Utah/Yuma, Arizona Posts: 1,207	What about an older toyota diesel then run it off vegetable oil. I wonder if you can use propane injection on that (bbq and french fries on the trail ) __________________ 2000 Toyota 4runner auto, 4x4, elocker, budbuilt skid, Sonoran Steel 7.2, 265/75/16 Yokohoma Geolanders AT-S Just call me "T" Sold: 1996 Toyota 4runner, auto, 4x4, Bud Built front skid, Stubb Welding Sliders, SS #3, hella 500's and elocked rear axle

03-09-2008, 07:52 PM	#12 (permalink)
sschaefer3 Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tempe, Arizona Posts: 5,470	The buggy has a brand new Marlin L52HD tranny, so I would rather just get another 22R. One that works and is not all ragged out with 300K on it should be fine for a 3400 pound vehicle. The fact that Westall and Koch can blow by me on the freeway leads me to believe that old motor was in really sad shape. With a truck that light and 5.29's it should have alot more power. I'll just get another 22R, it seems to work extremely well with that motor. __________________ Steve Schaefer *WWW.SonoranSteel.Com* Suspension Lift Kits * Rock Sliders * Straight Axle Conversions * 4Runner/FJC Rubicon Express Lower Links * Accessories * Daystar Products Dealer * TJM Bull Bar Dealer * Deaver Leaf Spring Dealer * Tokico & Bilstein Shock Dealer * ViAir Dealer * Total Chaos Dealer * and like everyone else a Trail Gear Dealer

03-09-2008, 08:26 PM	#13 (permalink)
westy44runner Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 886	You just need another 22r like you have been saying for awhile now. Keep it simple and get it back on the trail. I am betting with a rebuilt 22r you will notice a significant power increase. A 3.4 or 2.7 would be cool but on the trail I dont know if it would be worth all the extra money and hassle to swap, rewire, new tranny, adapter, etc etc...if it was a street/trail rig then yes it would be worth it since street driving would be a huge benefit. You want more power...talk to Cary about his turbo'd 22r propane buggy! __________________ '86 Toy Flatbed with a few modifications

03-09-2008, 11:22 PM	#14 (permalink)
Albuquerque Jim Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 2,567	Sorry it finally went, but we knew it was coming. Get the 22r and I will come out for a weekend. __________________ '00 SR5, "Highlander" Dual Cases, Aisin Hubs, E-Lock'd, Cryo'd, Chromo'd, ARB'd, 315's, Sonoran Steel Bumper, Lift & UCA's, 4 Crawl 1" BL, Armored...etc. F-Toy #081 in progress Dual Cases, 30 Splines, 5.71's, E-lockers, Hydro-Assist, 37's, DOM Hendrix Chassis, 80Proof, ORS, Sonoran Steel...etc.

03-10-2008, 10:27 AM	#15 (permalink)
sschaefer3 Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tempe, Arizona Posts: 5,470	I bought the engine on eBay, I called them and they said the only thing you can do to the older 22R engines is put the RV cam in with bigger valves. I also stuck with an 81 as it has the double chain with the steel guides. They are also going to try to find me a re-man distributor. I should be good to go then. The motor and distributor would be the last of the old worn out crap. I'll keep the propane and the Marlin tranny and just fix what is broken. It's time to wheel this thing, I have spent enough time building it. __________________ Steve Schaefer *WWW.SonoranSteel.Com* Suspension Lift Kits * Rock Sliders * Straight Axle Conversions * 4Runner/FJC Rubicon Express Lower Links * Accessories * Daystar Products Dealer * TJM Bull Bar Dealer * Deaver Leaf Spring Dealer * Tokico & Bilstein Shock Dealer * ViAir Dealer * Total Chaos Dealer * and like everyone else a Trail Gear Dealer

03-10-2008, 12:19 PM	#17 (permalink)
Elvota Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Phx, AZ Posts: 3,458	I've got kind of a weird work schedule coming up here for the next few months, but if you need a hand with the swap... let me know as well. __________________ ================ 1990 4Runner \| V6 3.4 \| 5spd \| 240 someoddthousand miles \| SR5 \| SAS \| RLS \| 35's \| ARB \| TJM \| 217 to 1 \| W8000 - four wheels \| three sticks \| two hands \| one trail - RIGITY DIGITY

03-10-2008, 02:42 PM	#18 (permalink)
sschaefer3 Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tempe, Arizona Posts: 5,470	The new motor will be on a semi heading this way by Friday. __________________ Steve Schaefer *WWW.SonoranSteel.Com* Suspension Lift Kits * Rock Sliders * Straight Axle Conversions * 4Runner/FJC Rubicon Express Lower Links * Accessories * Daystar Products Dealer * TJM Bull Bar Dealer * Deaver Leaf Spring Dealer * Tokico & Bilstein Shock Dealer * ViAir Dealer * Total Chaos Dealer * and like everyone else a Trail Gear Dealer