I need some help, 4runners hurt.

SOAZtim · 02-18-2008, 12:15 PM

I think I need a third member quick.

There is a lot of friction in the rear end. It sounds and feels (vibration is shakes the whole car) like it is in the rear diff.
At just a couple miles an hour its harsh enough to halt the car and make a squeeking noise.
It would come on every couple of feet. About every revoltion of the tires.
The car will roll fine at idle speed in drive for a couple feet and then the rear end will bind up and bring it to a halt. I can overcome it by applying a little gas, but it doesn't feel good!
I rolled back and forth, in high 2wd, 4wd, low 4wd, center diff locked and unlocked and it does it in every scenario.

The weird part: after a bit I gave it some gas, okay a but much, and it stopped. Completely. No more grinding, no more noise, or vibration. No leaks even at the time.
Now today a leak has developed where the pumpkin bolts together.

All in all, its obviously not good. I need a new third member. Preferably elocked while I'm replacing it, but I'll take anything. This is my daily driver and I need to get to work.

**Elvota** · 02-18-2008, 12:52 PM

Sorry to hear this problem is still occurring.

I assume you are in Phoenix... or are you hung up in Tucson still?

Is there anyway it's anything to do with your brakes?

What about this idea. Pull your rear DS completely. Engage 4WD and see if things are still binding . Might give you another clue as to the source with zero engine load on the rear axle.

Just brainstorming.

**Elvota** · 02-18-2008, 12:54 PM

By the way... I have a V6 3rd from my '90 with 4.56 gears sitting in my garage. If it will fit, and work for you... you are welcome to borrow it for a while.

westy44runner · 02-18-2008, 02:24 PM

Tim - check your PM's...and if you dont get over to TTORA soon check into this -

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/pts/532803138.html

Non-elocked 3rd gen 4runners have the regular Toy V6 8" diff.

SOAZtim · 02-18-2008, 03:28 PM

I made it back from Tucson somehow. Did about 45 and I'd stop to check the rear diff a lot. It was hotter than I've felt it, but I just tightened a couple of the bolts and kept going...

Thanks westy. LM for him. "sonoran fabrication" was the number on the add.
Hmm. Is it Steve S evil twin...
Elvota, seems to just be in the axle. I got under there and turned the wheels with the axle off the ground. Its very quite now. Almost like I sheered teeth before and now it is just clunking waiting to fail... ?

**Elvota** · 02-18-2008, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SOAZtim

Elvota, seems to just be in the axle. I got under there and turned the wheels with the axle off the ground. Its very quite now. Almost like I sheered teeth before and now it is just clunking waiting to fail... ?

Well... it looks like my 4.56 V6 diff I have would work on your 4Runner if the E-locker on CL falls through.

Let me know and I can bring it over so you don't have to put any more miles on your time bomb.

SOAZtim · 02-18-2008, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elvota

Sorry to hear this problem is still occurring.

I assume you are in Phoenix... or are you hung up in Tucson still?

Is there anyway it's anything to do with your brakes?

What about this idea. Pull your rear DS completely. Engage 4WD and see if things are still binding . Might give you another clue as to the source with zero engine load on the rear axle.

Just brainstorming.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elvota

Well... it looks like my 4.56 V6 diff I have would work on your 4Runner if the E-locker on CL falls through.

Let me know and I can bring it over so you don't have to put any more miles on your time bomb.

Really! I wasn't totally sure it would. I guess as long as I was in 2wd it would work.
I'll do some searching/calling today and tonight to see what I can come up with and that may be the way to go.

wormhole · 02-18-2008, 04:33 PM

Tim, check your mailbox.

I wonder though if this had something to do with it?

**Elvota** · 02-18-2008, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SOAZtim

Really! I wasn't totally sure it would. I guess as long as I was in 2wd it would work.

Most likely the ratio won't do for 4WD, but in 2WD things should be fine. Do you have any idea what ratio your truck has now?

Actually... I wonder with auto hubs and the front diff is spinning all the time that a different rear ratio in the rear would cause problems?

If we can't be sure, we could pull the front DS to be safe. That would eliminate the possibility of the transfer case being "fed" 2 different ratios from the front and rear axles.

Maybe someone will chime in.

Zona4r · 02-18-2008, 07:23 PM

Tim,

are you running an extended rear diff breather? Maybe sucked some river muck in somehow with that crossing.

You should be running 4.10s. E-locked is 4.30s

SOAZtim · 02-18-2008, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wormhole

Tim, check your mailbox.

I wonder though if this had something to do with it?

T, I'm not responding to you. That photo is photoshoped. I would never do that!

haha! Just kidding.

Zona,
I do have an extended breather. I still may have sucked some in though.

It has 4.10's by the vin # chart I've looked up before.

wormhole · 02-18-2008, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOAZtim

T, I'm not responding to you. That photo is photoshoped. I would never do that!

haha! Just kidding.

111db · 02-24-2008, 07:35 PM

Tim sorry to hear about this. What is the latest? Let me know if you need anything.

Here is some good toy diff info. Will let you know what will fit and what won't:
http://home.4x4wire.com/erik/diffs/

SOAZtim · 02-24-2008, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 111db

Tim sorry to hear about this. What is the latest? Let me know if you need anything.

Here is some good toy diff info. Will let you know what will fit and what won't:
http://home.4x4wire.com/erik/diffs/

I've got some parts ordered. There will be a few fun nights taking the front and rear diff out.

I really want to get it up and running again soon...

SOAZtim · 02-27-2008, 10:43 PM

Thanks to 111db for the extreme help, storage etc etc!!

Snagletooth.....

oops

mmm chunky

wormhole · 02-28-2008, 04:28 AM

Dang, that might be a problem.

How was pulling the front and rear diff?

SOAZtim · 02-28-2008, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wormhole

Dang, that might be a problem.

How was pulling the front and rear diff?

Oh I don't know. A little JB weld and som puddy?

Hello gears.

111db · 02-28-2008, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wormhole

How was pulling the front and rear diff?

I think we did pretty good: he pulled in the garage at 6pm and we had them both out by 8:15 or so.

02-18-2008, 12:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
SOAZtim Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Snobsdale, SOuthern AriZona. Posts: 742	I need some help, 4runners hurt. I think I need a third member quick. There is a lot of friction in the rear end. It sounds and feels (vibration is shakes the whole car) like it is in the rear diff. At just a couple miles an hour its harsh enough to halt the car and make a squeeking noise. It would come on every couple of feet. About every revoltion of the tires. The car will roll fine at idle speed in drive for a couple feet and then the rear end will bind up and bring it to a halt. I can overcome it by applying a little gas, but it doesn't feel good! I rolled back and forth, in high 2wd, 4wd, low 4wd, center diff locked and unlocked and it does it in every scenario. The weird part: after a bit I gave it some gas, okay a but much, and it stopped. Completely. No more grinding, no more noise, or vibration. No leaks even at the time. Now today a leak has developed where the pumpkin bolts together. All in all, its obviously not good. I need a new third member. Preferably elocked while I'm replacing it, but I'll take anything. This is my daily driver and I need to get to work. __________________ Yotatech.com Oval Stickers FOR SALE HERE 2001 4runner. 255/85/16 Cooper ST's, DR coilovers, PP rear spring wit billies, 4.88's with Special magic front and rear. www.soaztim.com Last edited by SOAZtim : 04-01-2008 at 10:47 AM.

02-18-2008, 12:52 PM	#2 (permalink)
Elvota Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Phx, AZ Posts: 3,458	Sorry to hear this problem is still occurring. I assume you are in Phoenix... or are you hung up in Tucson still? Is there anyway it's anything to do with your brakes? What about this idea. Pull your rear DS completely. Engage 4WD and see if things are still binding . Might give you another clue as to the source with zero engine load on the rear axle. Just brainstorming. __________________ ================ 1990 4Runner \| V6 3.4 \| 5spd \| 240 someoddthousand miles \| SR5 \| SAS \| RLS \| 35's \| ARB \| TJM \| 217 to 1 \| W8000 - four wheels \| three sticks \| two hands \| one trail - RIGITY DIGITY

02-18-2008, 12:54 PM	#3 (permalink)
Elvota Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Phx, AZ Posts: 3,458	By the way... I have a V6 3rd from my '90 with 4.56 gears sitting in my garage. If it will fit, and work for you... you are welcome to borrow it for a while. __________________ ================ 1990 4Runner \| V6 3.4 \| 5spd \| 240 someoddthousand miles \| SR5 \| SAS \| RLS \| 35's \| ARB \| TJM \| 217 to 1 \| W8000 - four wheels \| three sticks \| two hands \| one trail - RIGITY DIGITY

02-18-2008, 02:24 PM	#4 (permalink)
westy44runner Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 886	Tim - check your PM's...and if you dont get over to TTORA soon check into this - http://phoenix.craigslist.org/pts/532803138.html Non-elocked 3rd gen 4runners have the regular Toy V6 8" diff. __________________ '86 Toy Flatbed with a few modifications Last edited by westy44runner : 02-18-2008 at 02:29 PM.

02-18-2008, 03:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
SOAZtim Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Snobsdale, SOuthern AriZona. Posts: 742	I made it back from Tucson somehow. Did about 45 and I'd stop to check the rear diff a lot. It was hotter than I've felt it, but I just tightened a couple of the bolts and kept going... Thanks westy. LM for him. "sonoran fabrication" was the number on the add. Hmm. Is it Steve S evil twin... Elvota, seems to just be in the axle. I got under there and turned the wheels with the axle off the ground. Its very quite now. Almost like I sheered teeth before and now it is just clunking waiting to fail... ? __________________ Yotatech.com Oval Stickers FOR SALE HERE 2001 4runner. 255/85/16 Cooper ST's, DR coilovers, PP rear spring wit billies, 4.88's with Special magic front and rear. www.soaztim.com Last edited by SOAZtim : 02-18-2008 at 03:30 PM.

02-18-2008, 04:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
wormhole Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Missouri/Arkansas/Idaho/Utah/Yuma, Arizona Posts: 1,207	Tim, check your mailbox. I wonder though if this had something to do with it? __________________ 2000 Toyota 4runner auto, 4x4, elocker, budbuilt skid, Sonoran Steel 7.2, 265/75/16 Yokohoma Geolanders AT-S Just call me "T" Sold: 1996 Toyota 4runner, auto, 4x4, Bud Built front skid, Stubb Welding Sliders, SS #3, hella 500's and elocked rear axle Last edited by wormhole : 02-18-2008 at 04:39 PM.

02-18-2008, 07:23 PM	#10 (permalink)
Zona4r Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 252	Tim, are you running an extended rear diff breather? Maybe sucked some river muck in somehow with that crossing. You should be running 4.10s. E-locked is 4.30s __________________ 97 4Runner SR5 3.4l auto e-locker

02-24-2008, 07:35 PM	#13 (permalink)
111db Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Mesa AZ Posts: 1,196	Tim sorry to hear about this. What is the latest? Let me know if you need anything. Here is some good toy diff info. Will let you know what will fit and what won't: http://home.4x4wire.com/erik/diffs/ __________________ Jon *97 4Runner 3.4 4.88's * ARB Lockers F/R * ARB compressor * Sonoran Steel numba 1 * 285 BFG AT/KO * TJM 17 * BudBuilt Skids * Stubbs Sliders & BBQ sauce * Irbis out back * Various Electronic Gadgets**

02-27-2008, 10:43 PM	#15 (permalink)
SOAZtim Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Snobsdale, SOuthern AriZona. Posts: 742	Thanks to 111db for the extreme help, storage etc etc!! Snagletooth..... oops mmm chunky __________________ Yotatech.com Oval Stickers FOR SALE HERE 2001 4runner. 255/85/16 Cooper ST's, DR coilovers, PP rear spring wit billies, 4.88's with Special magic front and rear. www.soaztim.com

02-28-2008, 04:28 AM	#16 (permalink)
wormhole Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Missouri/Arkansas/Idaho/Utah/Yuma, Arizona Posts: 1,207	Dang, that might be a problem. How was pulling the front and rear diff? __________________ 2000 Toyota 4runner auto, 4x4, elocker, budbuilt skid, Sonoran Steel 7.2, 265/75/16 Yokohoma Geolanders AT-S Just call me "T" Sold: 1996 Toyota 4runner, auto, 4x4, Bud Built front skid, Stubb Welding Sliders, SS #3, hella 500's and elocked rear axle