what should I do (potential Toyota vehicle situation)

gohawks · 01-12-2007, 11:53 AM

I have the opportunity to buy another Toyota that I've had my eye on for a couple of years.

Its a 1994 Toyota extended cab pickup. It has the 22RE and a 5 speed transmission. Pretty basic model. No options other than potentially AC (not sure on that). It is red and virtually rust free. It has 180,000 miles. It is a one owner vehicle, maintenance up to date. Good all around condition.

I know he is going ask $1200 for it. Obviously a very good price.

The problem is that I already own a 1988 4runner. So before anyone suggests it, I cannot have both of them. I just bought the wife a new minivan and I can't afford to pay insurance on another vehicle.

My 4Runner has the 3.0 and is an automatic trans. It has every option and 211,000 miles. It is vitually rust free and runs very well.

I love being able to take the top off of the runner. I like being able to throw all the camping gear in the back and head out without worrying about it getting wet.

I don't like the 3.0 (poor fuel mileage) and I don't like the automatic (not as fun to drive, fuel economy).

I've thought about selling my 4runner and keeping the truck.

I've also thought about just buying the truck to sell it. I'm pretty confident I can get more than $1200 out of it. That way I can make some cash.

What do you think?

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Elvota · 01-12-2007, 11:56 AM

Some insurance companies will allow you to list a vehicle as recreation or limited use. If they do, insurance is usually very reasonable. They figure it's barely on the roads.

Then you can get this pickup and truly make it into a trail vehicle, and not worry about damaging your DD.

For $1200 seems like it would be hard to go wrong.

YotaJunky · 01-12-2007, 11:56 AM

I would go for the pickup. It's got less mileage, and personally, I find working on the 22RE much easier than the 3.0. For example, if you every have to do a HG replacement on either one, the 22RE is probably the easier of the two to do. Good luck on your decision and I agree that $1200 sounds like a great deal. If I were given the same opportunity, I wouldn't hesitate to take the pickup.

Troy

gilby4runner · 01-12-2007, 11:59 AM

depends on which one you want the most. 4cyl. would get you better miles per hour. Then again nothing cooler than the 4runner with the top off. Seems like the 4cyl might not have as many issues as the 3.0 and would be easier to work on. Put a feeler out for the 4runner and see what kind of intrest you can get in it. Sell it and you might have some spare cash for upgrades on the truck...

all_terrain17 · 01-12-2007, 12:00 PM

X3 for the pickup

gohawks · 01-12-2007, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gilby4runner

depends on which one you want the most. 4cyl. would get you better miles per hour. Then again nothing cooler than the 4runner with the top off. Seems like the 4cyl might not have as many issues as the 3.0 and would be easier to work on.

My thought process exactly. I LOVE the 1st Gen. 4Runners. My kids love riding around w/out the top. But, I would like better gas mileage, and I love looking at the engine bay of a 22re compared to the 3.0.

oly884 · 01-12-2007, 12:41 PM

I'd suggest the truck for all the reasons stated.

I'd also check to see what you could get for the runner. If you could sell the runner for the same or more, then it's an upgrade (in ways) for free.

reggie 00 · 01-12-2007, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elvota

Some insurance companies will allow you to list a vehicle as recreation or limited use. If they do, insurance is usually very reasonable. They figure it's barely on the roads.

Then you can get this pickup and truly make it into a trail vehicle, and not worry about damaging your DD.

For $1200 seems like it would be hard to go wrong.

That's what i do for the 4runner. i think i only pay $30 a month or something like that for insurance. They just have a mileage stipulation, not that they ever check me on it. It is the same thing i did for the 83 till i non opted it. Definitely worth having both you never know what is around the corner. Use the Truck as your DD, 4runner for family camping. Worst case later down the road if bad times hit you have a ready source of income if they are all maintained accordingly. Which i am sure they will be.

gohawks · 01-12-2007, 09:06 PM

Okay I just got an email from the guy who owns the truck. It turns out there are some issues that I previously was not aware of (reflected in a pretty low price)

1) According to him the engine shakes above 35 miles per hour. He doesn't know why.

2) Just had new clutch and new brakes (3 months ago).

3) He indicates that occassionally he hears a noise in the rear differential. Doesn't know what it could be.

What do you think?

all_terrain17 · 01-12-2007, 09:20 PM

Drive it and see what ya think.

Texas Jim · 01-12-2007, 09:59 PM

motor mount on shaking engine??? or loose motor mount?

Rear end??? don't have a clue? did you say if the truck had A/C?

CJM · 01-12-2007, 10:07 PM

Well the truck sounds ok, sounds like a motor mount maybe. Who knwos what the rear looks like..

I say even if you buy/dont buy, if you really want a pickup then go for one. List it on insurance as a limted use vehicle. I have a corvette this way and it only costs me 200 a year and they stipulate it has to be driven less than 3,000 miles. I just lie to them alot about what I actually drive, its that simple. Worst case scenario tell them the odo broke hehe..

This way you can have both and have very low ins payments.

gohawks · 01-13-2007, 04:41 AM

well I'm not quite as gung ho about it as I was obviously.

I've been waiting for him to sell it for a couple of years. Primarily because of the 22re/5speed, rust free, etc.

However it seems as if maybe he's waited till just enough things have went wrong with it to sell it now.

I'm going to drive it and see what I think though.

timebandit · 01-13-2007, 06:13 PM

What makes you think the 22RE is any more fuel economical? Mine is a pig since it was new. It gets 13on the hwy on its best day if I stay off of it. The differental might need the outside bearings. This is an easy job. You don't have to go inside the pumpkin on mine. For $1200 you can't go wrong. They go up to $4500 in showroom condition. There is almost no mileage deduction. $50 at the most. I have the base model with the manual steering gear, no power. Make sure you want that.
Even in a mini-truck it is a bit of a bear from a standstill, you have to leave a little room to crack the clutch and steer. Try getting a flat. I personally have never had a engine shake in mine. Could no say on that one. It is a dream to work on. Partialy because it rarely fails me. Better without that P/S pump hanging off the front.

all_terrain17 · 01-13-2007, 06:16 PM

^ You have a problem with your 22RE.

timebandit · 01-13-2007, 06:37 PM

No I don't think so. She run's like a raped ape. Will out hustle most V-6's. Err, used too, till the cat started getting plugged recently. On my to-do list.

jjrgr21 · 01-13-2007, 06:40 PM

yeah just put it on as a secondary rec vehicle, shouldn't be more than $40-50 depending on your driving record

01-12-2007, 11:56 AM	#2 (permalink)
Elvota Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Phx, AZ Posts: 3,436	Some insurance companies will allow you to list a vehicle as recreation or limited use. If they do, insurance is usually very reasonable. They figure it's barely on the roads. Then you can get this pickup and truly make it into a trail vehicle, and not worry about damaging your DD. For $1200 seems like it would be hard to go wrong. __________________ ================ 1990 4Runner \| V6 3.4 \| 5spd \| 240 someoddthousand miles \| SR5 \| SAS \| RLS \| 35's \| ARB \| TJM \| 217 to 1 \| W8000 - four wheels \| three sticks \| two hands \| one trail - RIGITY DIGITY visit the sticki chronicles

01-12-2007, 11:56 AM	#3 (permalink)
YotaJunky Contributing Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver BC Posts: 780	I would go for the pickup. It's got less mileage, and personally, I find working on the 22RE much easier than the 3.0. For example, if you every have to do a HG replacement on either one, the 22RE is probably the easier of the two to do. Good luck on your decision and I agree that $1200 sounds like a great deal. If I were given the same opportunity, I wouldn't hesitate to take the pickup. Troy __________________ '95 4WD 22R-E 4Runner, 5spd, 205k kms, 4.56 gears, extended diff breather mod, bilstein shocks, Aisin manual hub swap, 1.25 rear coil spacer, 32" BFG's -- my DD Last edited by YotaJunky; 01-12-2007 at 11:58 AM.

01-12-2007, 12:00 PM	#5 (permalink)
all_terrain17 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 748	X3 for the pickup __________________ 94' Pickup

01-12-2007, 09:06 PM	#9 (permalink)
gohawks Contributing Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,274	Okay I just got an email from the guy who owns the truck. It turns out there are some issues that I previously was not aware of (reflected in a pretty low price) 1) According to him the engine shakes above 35 miles per hour. He doesn't know why. 2) Just had new clutch and new brakes (3 months ago). 3) He indicates that occassionally he hears a noise in the rear differential. Doesn't know what it could be. What do you think? __________________ SERENITY NOW!!

01-12-2007, 09:20 PM	#10 (permalink)
all_terrain17 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 748	Drive it and see what ya think. __________________ 94' Pickup

01-12-2007, 12:41 PM	#7 (permalink)
oly884 Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,703	I'd suggest the truck for all the reasons stated. I'd also check to see what you could get for the runner. If you could sell the runner for the same or more, then it's an upgrade (in ways) for free.

01-12-2007, 09:59 PM	#11 (permalink)
Texas Jim Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 0	motor mount on shaking engine??? or loose motor mount? Rear end??? don't have a clue? did you say if the truck had A/C?

01-12-2007, 10:07 PM	#12 (permalink)
CJM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Central NJ Posts: 4,561	Well the truck sounds ok, sounds like a motor mount maybe. Who knwos what the rear looks like.. I say even if you buy/dont buy, if you really want a pickup then go for one. List it on insurance as a limted use vehicle. I have a corvette this way and it only costs me 200 a year and they stipulate it has to be driven less than 3,000 miles. I just lie to them alot about what I actually drive, its that simple. Worst case scenario tell them the odo broke hehe.. This way you can have both and have very low ins payments. __________________ 96' T100 SR5 4x4, ISR mod, Custom ABS snorkel, KC 57's Hella optilux el cheapo backup lights. Cobra 19III CB, Firestick 4ft antenna, Bilstein shocks. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

01-13-2007, 04:41 AM	#13 (permalink)
gohawks Contributing Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,274	well I'm not quite as gung ho about it as I was obviously. I've been waiting for him to sell it for a couple of years. Primarily because of the 22re/5speed, rust free, etc. However it seems as if maybe he's waited till just enough things have went wrong with it to sell it now. I'm going to drive it and see what I think though. __________________ SERENITY NOW!!

01-13-2007, 06:13 PM	#14 (permalink)
timebandit Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 88	What makes you think the 22RE is any more fuel economical? Mine is a pig since it was new. It gets 13on the hwy on its best day if I stay off of it. The differental might need the outside bearings. This is an easy job. You don't have to go inside the pumpkin on mine. For $1200 you can't go wrong. They go up to $4500 in showroom condition. There is almost no mileage deduction. $50 at the most. I have the base model with the manual steering gear, no power. Make sure you want that. Even in a mini-truck it is a bit of a bear from a standstill, you have to leave a little room to crack the clutch and steer. Try getting a flat. I personally have never had a engine shake in mine. Could no say on that one. It is a dream to work on. Partialy because it rarely fails me. Better without that P/S pump hanging off the front. Last edited by timebandit; 01-13-2007 at 06:33 PM.

01-13-2007, 06:16 PM	#15 (permalink)
all_terrain17 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 748	^ You have a problem with your 22RE. __________________ 94' Pickup

01-13-2007, 06:37 PM	#16 (permalink)
timebandit Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 88	No I don't think so. She run's like a raped ape. Will out hustle most V-6's. Err, used too, till the cat started getting plugged recently. On my to-do list.

01-13-2007, 06:40 PM	#17 (permalink)
jjrgr21 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,520	yeah just put it on as a secondary rec vehicle, shouldn't be more than $40-50 depending on your driving record __________________ 2003 4WD TRD Tacoma 1986 4Runner

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