Vehicle Natural Gas

MellamoPOUND · 03-05-2006, 12:07 PM

For the first time, I saw a Vehicle Natural Gas pump at the gas station. What the heck is that for? I thought hybrids ran on regular gas. Sorry if this is a dumb question

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kyle_22r · 03-05-2006, 01:07 PM

a lot of buses run on CNG here(compressed natural gas)

Yamaha+Toyota=Fun · 03-05-2006, 01:49 PM

When I was in San Francisco last week, I noticed alot of the airport shuttles run on natural gas. Anyone know why?

Tacoma Dude · 03-06-2006, 02:09 AM

There's a lot of public transportation that runs on CNG. Maybe a political thing? I can see that it might be easier for a private business to buy the vehicles from the same suppliers of gov't vehicles.

EDIT:
maybe it's more cost effective or attracts more customers?

99_Runner · 03-06-2006, 07:41 AM

The CNG gives lower emissions, better mileage, more power, and it should be cheaper to buy.

snap-on · 03-06-2006, 08:17 AM

^^^^^^ what he said^^^^^

id rather have H20 dripping out of the back than be choked by a fog of black smoke as the buss takes off in front of me.

celica · 03-06-2006, 10:28 AM

I don't know about the more power & better milage thing, but yea it is cleaner burning. But it will drive up the cost of natural gas & since we heat our homes with it it will hurt us in the end. We need to find s different fuel.

DrBeau · 03-06-2006, 06:31 PM

It's cleaner burning and pretty fuel efficent, but its deffinatly less power. I have a relative that lives in LA. He owns a CNG Crown Vic so that he can use the carpool lane alone (he has money and does a lot of driving on the 405, what I woudl say is the worst freeway in the city). He says it has about the power and feel of a V6, even though it's a CNG-converted V8.

4-RUNNIN' FREAK · 03-06-2006, 06:39 PM

My company has a whole fleet of CNG vehicles, from Vans to pick up trucks.

The F150 pick ups can still lay down some rubber, but you refill he trucks every day or two. The gas mileage sucks compared to regular gas and diesel , but you lose the whole bed. The tanks hold more volume than the regular gas tank on the F150.
There are two separate pumps, one for 3,000 PSI and one for 3,600 PSI.

I'll take pics of the bed of an F150 tonight and you can see how large it is.

4-RUNNIN' FREAK · 03-07-2006, 04:30 AM

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OutdoorLiving · 03-07-2006, 05:11 AM

Majority of public transportation in Atlanta uses CNG. All Marta buses and I think CCT too..

stevrock · 03-07-2006, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by celica

I don't know about the more power & better milage thing, but yea it is cleaner burning. But it will drive up the cost of natural gas & since we heat our homes with it it will hurt us in the end. We need to find s different fuel.

We have LNG plants, and a huge supply of it. But we don't even have any running this way yet.

We're still using coal, oil, and wood.

mike_d · 03-07-2006, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yamaha+Toyota=Fun

When I was in San Francisco last week, I noticed alot of the airport shuttles run on natural gas. Anyone know why?

it's a mix of a lot of things: 1) politically it looks better, it a way to make the local government *look* like they're doing something about polution. 2) CNG can be cheaper if the distribution system is setup right. for a fleet where they only have one fueling point, it's easy to setup the fueling infrastructure. 3) burns much cleaner. especially in airports where your usually driving in underground garages and tunnels and such, you don't want diesel fumes building up there. 4) smog reduction, while CNG probably puts out the same amount of CO2 and other "greenhouse gasses" the combustion temps are lower than diesel so it makes less NOx which is believed to be responsible for smog.

i don't think CNG is a good long term solution as there's not much CNG around compared to other fuels, but in limited use, it's not too bad.

the problem with CNG is that you need large fuel tanks because it's not as energy dense as gasoline or diesel, so it's really only useful on busses or trucks, but the nature of CNG is that it's good for high horsepower, low torque situations. busses or trucks really should run on diesel which is better in a low horsepower, high torque application.

SloPoke · 03-07-2006, 09:37 AM

The gubment also offers tax incentives (due to lower emmisions) for companies that convert to CNG. UPS for a main example. Most our local public school district busses are now CNG as well.

03-05-2006, 01:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
kyle_22r Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lacey, WA Posts: 3,992	a lot of buses run on CNG here(compressed natural gas) __________________ 1998 tacoma, 3RZ-FE, 5 speed, 30x9.5R15 M/Ts past toys: 1984 4x2 1979 4x4 1991 4x4

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Yamaha+Toyota=Fun Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Bellingham, Washington and Ketchikan, Alaska Posts: 1,081	When I was in San Francisco last week, I noticed alot of the airport shuttles run on natural gas. Anyone know why? __________________ 92 pickup... sold 90 integra- b18b turbo, intercooled, 10 lbs of boost, 240 whp... blown up 79 2wd yota pickup

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Tacoma Dude Contributing Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 8,360	There's a lot of public transportation that runs on CNG. Maybe a political thing? I can see that it might be easier for a private business to buy the vehicles from the same suppliers of gov't vehicles. EDIT: maybe it's more cost effective or attracts more customers? __________________ Peter! 2002 Tacoma 1986 4Runner

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99_Runner Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Westminster, CO Posts: 1,115	The CNG gives lower emissions, better mileage, more power, and it should be cheaper to buy. __________________ Drew 99 4Runner SR5, auto, 3.4 V6, factory rear locker, 265/75 Yokohama Geolander AT+II Stock for now, but hopefully not for long.

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snap-on Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: STL MO Posts: 2,382	^^^^^^ what he said^^^^^ id rather have H20 dripping out of the back than be choked by a fog of black smoke as the buss takes off in front of me. __________________ 94 EX cab, 5speed, V6, locked, ARB bar, NWOR headers 92 4runner, auto, V6, OME suspension, Downey headers

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celica Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Calgary, AB Canada Posts: 1,773	I don't know about the more power & better milage thing, but yea it is cleaner burning. But it will drive up the cost of natural gas & since we heat our homes with it it will hurt us in the end. We need to find s different fuel. __________________ Matt 2003 4-Runner Limited - Couldn't stay away from the runner 2003 Sequoia Limited 1989 Supra Turbo 1992 4r, 5spd V6 Sold

03-06-2006, 06:31 PM	#8 (permalink)
DrBeau Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: North County, San Diego, CA Posts: 1,249	It's cleaner burning and pretty fuel efficent, but its deffinatly less power. I have a relative that lives in LA. He owns a CNG Crown Vic so that he can use the carpool lane alone (he has money and does a lot of driving on the 405, what I woudl say is the worst freeway in the city). He says it has about the power and feel of a V6, even though it's a CNG-converted V8. __________________ -Beau No, I am not actually a doctor...yet. ----------- 1998 4Runner SR5- 4x4, V6, AT, Factory E-Locker- Mods: Satoshi Grill, Alpine HU, E-Locker Mod -otherwise Stock (for now) To come: Music!, Rear Storage/Audio box/Sleep area, York OBA

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4-RUNNIN' FREAK Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: NNJ Posts: 3,951	My company has a whole fleet of CNG vehicles, from Vans to pick up trucks. The F150 pick ups can still lay down some rubber, but you refill he trucks every day or two. The gas mileage sucks compared to regular gas and diesel , but you lose the whole bed. The tanks hold more volume than the regular gas tank on the F150. There are two separate pumps, one for 3,000 PSI and one for 3,600 PSI. I'll take pics of the bed of an F150 tonight and you can see how large it is. __________________ '02 4Runner - '06 XRunner Breakdancing www.BadgeYourRide.com Check this out Multi-Touch Interaction Research http://mrl.nyu.edu/~jhan/ftirtouch/ Highest Xmax 6.5" subwoofer made Total Posts: 32,218 (75.35 posts per day) [/center] [/color] Still A Neon

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4-RUNNIN' FREAK Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: NNJ Posts: 3,951	http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?i...30703886ja.jpg http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6610/p30703877ng.jpg __________________ '02 4Runner - '06 XRunner Breakdancing www.BadgeYourRide.com Check this out Multi-Touch Interaction Research http://mrl.nyu.edu/~jhan/ftirtouch/ Highest Xmax 6.5" subwoofer made Total Posts: 32,218 (75.35 posts per day) [/center] [/color] Still A Neon Last edited by 4-RUNNIN' FREAK; 03-07-2006 at 04:32 AM.

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SloPoke Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: BAOK Posts: 542	The gubment also offers tax incentives (due to lower emmisions) for companies that convert to CNG. UPS for a main example. Most our local public school district busses are now CNG as well. __________________ Yoats & stuff

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