thinking about selling the 4runner

89macrunner · 04-13-2006, 02:00 PM

Recently ive got a hankering to move on from my 4runner..a truck is just not practical for me right now.

Now, being 17 buying a new car is way out of my reach.

I kind of have my heart set on a subie WRX..i hate FWD and RWD just wont work for the winter here. 4 doors, AWD and a turbo really make me one one.

I belive the first model year of the car was 2001? does anybody know?

I am looking to spend 8-11k on my new car.

what other suggestions do you guys have? The car MUST be avalible with a manual.
Volvo something or other? (no resale value or reliability)
audi a4 quattro with 1.8T...they break a lot and are expensive to fix..aftermarket stuff is priced outrageously high
i dunno what else

help me out!

iGGz · 04-13-2006, 02:18 PM

How about a 4Runner?

kmcc78240 · 04-13-2006, 02:40 PM

4runner!

89macrunner · 04-13-2006, 02:52 PM

let me specify a truck OR SUV are not practical right now for me.

Turd Ferguson · 04-13-2006, 02:56 PM

I come from the VW side, so I'll tell you this:

1. A4's can be a PITA on maitenance, but no more than your average German sports sedan (dead square lock on BMW). The 1.8T motor is relatively reliable (my Jetta has one) but is not without its electrical gremlins. Mechanically, however, far more reliable than the S4 and the A4 with the 30-valve V6. VW has perfected that motor. It can handle upwards of 17-20lbs of boost on stock internals. Stock on those is usually around 8-10lbs, with around 180hp from the factory.

2. Upgrading/power improvements are not that expensive. Look into an APR 93 Octane chip ( www.goapr.com ) for your first step. $500 or so = HUGE increase in usable torque and HP. The Quattro is a pretty damned bulletproof AWD system, and for what its worth, doesn't slip or chirp until WELL over 400 HP.

MY 2001 A4 1.8TQ's go up to 214hp and 247 pd/ft tq. On a system that always hooks up, its incredible. A friend with a FWD Passat and the same motor used to dust Corvettes at the track and the highway. You'd be surprised.

Tons of suspension options available, but fully adjustable coils are the best option, especially if you see snow. Bilstein and Koni make phenomenal setups for VW/Audi.

As for a Scubie, they are fun, but the WRX is not without its own problems, I've heard of many throwing the turbos. But they can handle REDICULOUSLY high HP with relative reliability. But the fit and finish on the Scubies is nowhere as nice as the A4.

Resale values on the A4's aren't that great right now, so you could find one for not a whole lotta cash compared to their original retail. I'd be leery of a cheap WRX because the majority I've seen are beat to hell from "enthusiast" owners. But that turbo... oh man!!

Oh yeah, and keep the 4Runner.

89macrunner · 04-13-2006, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turd Ferguson

I come from the VW side, so I'll tell you this:

1. A4's can be a PITA on maitenance, but no more than your average German sports sedan (dead square lock on BMW). The 1.8T motor is relatively reliable (my Jetta has one) but is not without its electrical gremlins. Mechanically, however, far more reliable than the S4 and the A4 with the 30-valve V6. VW has perfected that motor. It can handle upwards of 17-20lbs of boost on stock internals. Stock on those is usually around 8-10lbs, with around 180hp from the factory.

2. Upgrading/power improvements are not that expensive. Look into an APR 93 Octane chip ( www.goapr.com ) for your first step. $500 or so = HUGE increase in usable torque and HP. The Quattro is a pretty damned bulletproof AWD system, and for what its worth, doesn't slip or chirp until WELL over 400 HP.

MY 2001 A4 1.8TQ's go up to 214hp and 247 pd/ft tq. On a system that always hooks up, its incredible. A friend with a FWD Passat and the same motor used to dust Corvettes at the track and the highway. You'd be surprised.

Tons of suspension options available, but fully adjustable coils are the best option, especially if you see snow. Bilstein and Koni make phenomenal setups for VW/Audi.

As for a Scubie, they are fun, but the WRX is not without its own problems, I've heard of many throwing the turbos. But they can handle REDICULOUSLY high HP with relative reliability. But the fit and finish on the Scubies is nowhere as nice as the A4.

Resale values on the A4's aren't that great right now, so you could find one for not a whole lotta cash compared to their original retail. I'd be leery of a cheap WRX because the majority I've seen are beat to hell from "enthusiast" owners. But that turbo... oh man!!

Oh yeah, and keep the 4Runner.

i drove a FWD jetta stock..and than with that APR 93 octane chip...nice increase in power...

keeping the 4runner is just not whats gonna suit me best or make me happy even though i love it so much

**Elvota** · 04-13-2006, 04:03 PM

17 years old, right?

Watch the insurance on the WRX and similiar. It can be insane.

Patsawasy · 04-13-2006, 04:27 PM

ive bee pretty happy with my 4runner. maybe you should get one of those. hahahhaha

but seriously, why is your runner not practical? maybe clarification would help narrow your search for cars

Turd Ferguson · 04-13-2006, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elvota

17 years old, right?
Watch the insurance on the WRX and similiar. It can be insane.

Missed that part. Dude, seriously, at 17, I'd consider anything thats gonna have low insurance. European, sport, turbo, WRX, and AWD do not equal low rates!

And my guess is that his after-school job ain't cutting it paying for gas, right? No jab, just pure speculation. Hell, at 17, my after school couldn't afford to feed my Rocket 305 Olds

Patsawasy · 04-13-2006, 05:58 PM

probably right.

another thing that stuck me with insurance with my celica when i was 17 was it was 2 door. (considered a sports car, where as 4 doors means family sedan) and a manual tranny.made for one incredibly high insurance payment

Jimmeh · 04-13-2006, 06:12 PM

Man, I am 17, drive an 87 4Runner every day 20 miles a day, and have to fill up on gas once every 2 weeks. After my accident, my insurance went up 8 dollars, so I am paying about 80 some a month. I asked my insurance how much it would cost a month for a car newer then a 1990 (because my Beretta was a 1990, and it was 130 dollars with no tickets or anything, but I wrecked it) and it is close to 300. I don't know about you, but I would rather spend 120 dollars a motnh (20 dollars twice a month, plus insurance) then have to spend close to 300 every month, and then some.

Also, if you do get one of those WRX's, and you make it a Ricer, I will be very dissapointed.

Also, they started making the Subaru Impreza WRX in 1992.

89macrunner · 04-13-2006, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmeh

Man, I am 17, drive an 87 4Runner every day 20 miles a day, and have to fill up on gas once every 2 weeks. After my accident, my insurance went up 8 dollars, so I am paying about 80 some a month. I asked my insurance how much it would cost a month for a car newer then a 1990 (because my Beretta was a 1990, and it was 130 dollars with no tickets or anything, but I wrecked it) and it is close to 300. I don't know about you, but I would rather spend 120 dollars a motnh (20 dollars twice a month, plus insurance) then have to spend close to 300 every month, and then some.

Also, if you do get one of those WRX's, and you make it a Ricer, I will be very dissapointed.

Also, they started making the Subaru Impreza WRX in 1992.

wrx wasnt avalible in the states in 1992

insurance im not worried about..my insurance is under my moms company so the prices arent what they usualy are.

4runner is not practical for me because 1. it keeps rusting over and over again...the fenders are only a year and a half old and already are rusting. 2. i want something with 4 doors. 3.i want something thats fun to drive.

this is the biggest reason: If i keep the 4runner into college when I dont have a job and it breaks down..im screwed..no car for me. If I buy it now when i DO have a good paying job (probably around $300 a week this summer) Than i can pay it off quickly and still be able to save money for college (im going to put a huge down payment)

Turd Ferguson · 04-13-2006, 08:02 PM

I would advise again the A4 over the WRX. But before you do, do what I did when I bought my first new car- research the cars you like and their respective insurance rates. Even with a hookup on insurance, you don't wanna be caught with $4K a year after you signed the loan.

oly884 · 04-13-2006, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elvota

17 years old, right?

Watch the insurance on the WRX and similiar. It can be insane.

My bro is the same age as him.

My parents found out it was going to be $3500 every 6 months, yes that's three thousand five hundred dollars for six months of driving. Yeah, that's possible.

On top of a 17 yr. old driving a car like that

89macrunner, I don't know you, but I will say that owning a fast car at your age is something that you have to think long and hard about. Sure, it's fun to race, but there's a time and a place for it, along with a level of maturity, and these days there are very few people that have that maturity (not saying you are or are not one of them).

I went to a high school where kids got what ever they wanted. Fast cars, big trucks, you name it. The kids who got fast cars either destroyed the car, or destroyed the car on top of their life and/or the lifes of others. If you want a WRX or an A4 because they are fast, then please sit down at think about what COULD happen.

Want my advice? Either keep the runner, or get some car that's a bit older, gets good mileage, and save money. You'll enjoy it 1000x more when you're out of high school and off to college, or whatever else life brings to you.

***fustercluck*** · 04-13-2006, 09:33 PM

my advice as an aging flatus, is likely to be rejected. Regardless, if I had to do it over, I'd get a beater

The reasons are limitless and all to your advantage.

Turd Ferguson · 04-13-2006, 09:51 PM

If you like the WRX, but don't want a hit in the wallet as much on insurance, check out the 2.5RS that preceded. Strong motor, naturally aspirated, and still AWD and very sporty/nimble.

***fustercluck*** · 04-13-2006, 10:03 PM

forget the previous beater. This may be more apropos

iGGz · 04-13-2006, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 89macrunner

3.i want something thats fun to drive.

Am I missing something here?

04-13-2006, 02:00 PM	#1 (permalink)
89macrunner Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 2,067	thinking about selling the 4runner Recently ive got a hankering to move on from my 4runner..a truck is just not practical for me right now. Now, being 17 buying a new car is way out of my reach. I kind of have my heart set on a subie WRX..i hate FWD and RWD just wont work for the winter here. 4 doors, AWD and a turbo really make me one one. I belive the first model year of the car was 2001? does anybody know? I am looking to spend 8-11k on my new car. what other suggestions do you guys have? The car MUST be avalible with a manual. Volvo something or other? (no resale value or reliability) audi a4 quattro with 1.8T...they break a lot and are expensive to fix..aftermarket stuff is priced outrageously high i dunno what else help me out! __________________ Daily Driver: 2007 Windsor "The Hour" Fixed Gear 250 miles Crouch Rocket 2005 Felt F80 1100mi (purchased new in Jan 2008) 2006 Mazda3 GT 2000 TRD Tacoma..Bought back and crushed 1988 4Runner SR5 V6 5 speed..sold

04-13-2006, 02:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
iGGz Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Durango, CO Posts: 2,765	How about a 4Runner? __________________ 70,XXX miles 1986 Toyota 4Runner

04-13-2006, 02:52 PM	#4 (permalink)
89macrunner Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 2,067	let me specify a truck OR SUV are not practical right now for me. __________________ Daily Driver: 2007 Windsor "The Hour" Fixed Gear 250 miles Crouch Rocket 2005 Felt F80 1100mi (purchased new in Jan 2008) 2006 Mazda3 GT 2000 TRD Tacoma..Bought back and crushed 1988 4Runner SR5 V6 5 speed..sold

04-13-2006, 02:56 PM	#5 (permalink)
Turd Ferguson Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 376	I come from the VW side, so I'll tell you this: 1. A4's can be a PITA on maitenance, but no more than your average German sports sedan (dead square lock on BMW). The 1.8T motor is relatively reliable (my Jetta has one) but is not without its electrical gremlins. Mechanically, however, far more reliable than the S4 and the A4 with the 30-valve V6. VW has perfected that motor. It can handle upwards of 17-20lbs of boost on stock internals. Stock on those is usually around 8-10lbs, with around 180hp from the factory. 2. Upgrading/power improvements are not that expensive. Look into an APR 93 Octane chip ( www.goapr.com ) for your first step. $500 or so = HUGE increase in usable torque and HP. The Quattro is a pretty damned bulletproof AWD system, and for what its worth, doesn't slip or chirp until WELL over 400 HP. MY 2001 A4 1.8TQ's go up to 214hp and 247 pd/ft tq. On a system that always hooks up, its incredible. A friend with a FWD Passat and the same motor used to dust Corvettes at the track and the highway. You'd be surprised. Tons of suspension options available, but fully adjustable coils are the best option, especially if you see snow. Bilstein and Koni make phenomenal setups for VW/Audi. As for a Scubie, they are fun, but the WRX is not without its own problems, I've heard of many throwing the turbos. But they can handle REDICULOUSLY high HP with relative reliability. But the fit and finish on the Scubies is nowhere as nice as the A4. Resale values on the A4's aren't that great right now, so you could find one for not a whole lotta cash compared to their original retail. I'd be leery of a cheap WRX because the majority I've seen are beat to hell from "enthusiast" owners. But that turbo... oh man!! Oh yeah, and keep the 4Runner. __________________ 1990 4Runner V6 SR5, "The Porkchop Express" Misadventures of a Crazed Kitchen Pirate "I'm just like every other normal guy, except I hit the speedbumps at 50, sometimes 60 miles per hour."

04-13-2006, 04:03 PM	#7 (permalink)
Elvota Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Phx, AZ Posts: 3,458	17 years old, right? Watch the insurance on the WRX and similiar. It can be insane. __________________ ================ 1990 4Runner \| V6 3.4 \| 5spd \| 240 someoddthousand miles \| SR5 \| SAS \| RLS \| 35's \| ARB \| TJM \| 217 to 1 \| W8000 - four wheels \| three sticks \| two hands \| one trail - RIGITY DIGITY

04-13-2006, 04:27 PM	#8 (permalink)
Patsawasy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pasadena, CA Posts: 144	ive bee pretty happy with my 4runner. maybe you should get one of those. hahahhaha but seriously, why is your runner not practical? maybe clarification would help narrow your search for cars __________________ 1997 4Runner, 285/70/16 Nitto Terra Grapplers, K&N Air Intake, Glassworks Unlimited fiberglass fenders, Sport Hood, Hurculined Everything, 12" JL audio Sub, JVC headunit, Taco Whip Antenna, Dixie Horn (currently not working), Magnaflow 18" exaust, Type R" diff Breather Viva La Fuster!!!

04-13-2006, 05:58 PM	#10 (permalink)
Patsawasy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pasadena, CA Posts: 144	probably right. another thing that stuck me with insurance with my celica when i was 17 was it was 2 door. (considered a sports car, where as 4 doors means family sedan) and a manual tranny.made for one incredibly high insurance payment __________________ 1997 4Runner, 285/70/16 Nitto Terra Grapplers, K&N Air Intake, Glassworks Unlimited fiberglass fenders, Sport Hood, Hurculined Everything, 12" JL audio Sub, JVC headunit, Taco Whip Antenna, Dixie Horn (currently not working), Magnaflow 18" exaust, Type R" diff Breather Viva La Fuster!!!

04-13-2006, 08:02 PM	#13 (permalink)
Turd Ferguson Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 376	I would advise again the A4 over the WRX. But before you do, do what I did when I bought my first new car- research the cars you like and their respective insurance rates. Even with a hookup on insurance, you don't wanna be caught with $4K a year after you signed the loan. __________________ 1990 4Runner V6 SR5, "The Porkchop Express" Misadventures of a Crazed Kitchen Pirate "I'm just like every other normal guy, except I hit the speedbumps at 50, sometimes 60 miles per hour."

04-13-2006, 09:33 PM	#15 (permalink)
*fustercluck* Sponsoring Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Utah :hillbill: Posts: 6,288	my advice as an aging flatus, is likely to be rejected. Regardless, if I had to do it over, I'd get a beater The reasons are limitless and all to your advantage. __________________ War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. John Stuart Mill English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)

04-13-2006, 09:51 PM	#16 (permalink)
Turd Ferguson Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 376	If you like the WRX, but don't want a hit in the wallet as much on insurance, check out the 2.5RS that preceded. Strong motor, naturally aspirated, and still AWD and very sporty/nimble. __________________ 1990 4Runner V6 SR5, "The Porkchop Express" Misadventures of a Crazed Kitchen Pirate "I'm just like every other normal guy, except I hit the speedbumps at 50, sometimes 60 miles per hour."

04-13-2006, 10:03 PM	#17 (permalink)
*fustercluck* Sponsoring Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Utah :hillbill: Posts: 6,288	forget the previous beater. This may be more apropos __________________ War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. John Stuart Mill English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)

04-14-2006, 10:24 PM	#19 (permalink)
Turd Ferguson