Spun into a new dimension of PISSED OFF....

brandontrek · 06-15-2006, 05:01 PM

ok..so i am riding along like i normally do down to the York Street Treat for a nice tall cone if ice-cream. when all of the sudden i hit a bump on my GT i-drive 2.0 and i hear the tell-tale CRACK!!!!

i wasn't jumping, ramping etc. i was riding like normal in saddle and hit a 1 inch bump. i am soooo mad....

here is the carnage.....

buckled in the back....

i found the problem.....

and this all happend when i just got the Marzocchi Z1 freeride on her.....

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Tanto · 06-15-2006, 05:09 PM

That company owes you some $$$.

You trying to say something against California? (I don't blame you

)

AxleIke · 06-15-2006, 05:18 PM

I too have an idrive. Never had any problems, but i would call right away, That is some bull if a trail bike, built for jumping and beating on, does that on a one inch bump.

Georgia4Runner · 06-15-2006, 05:21 PM

I have the XCR; never had a problem with it.

That's an iDrive 2.0, correct?

brandontrek · 06-15-2006, 05:27 PM

yeap its a 2002 idrive 2.0. i am goign to get on the horn with them tomorrow. i have heard of guys cracking these frames and having them replaced...

if they replace mine i am going to sell it and go back to a trek....

oh yeah and i am not a big guy.....i tip the scales at a stark 155 lbs....

**waskillywabbit** · 06-15-2006, 05:36 PM

I think you need to plate both sides, sleeve it, add some Grade 10.9 bolting and use a gusset or two.

I'm still not sure exactly what was broken...but that sucks.

iGGz · 06-15-2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by waskillywabbit

I'm still not sure exactly what was broken...but that sucks.

same here... I looked forever but couldn't tell! Glad I wasn't the only one...

Either way I'd give them a call...

brandontrek · 06-15-2006, 06:58 PM

ok...revised pics....
in this one the yellow circles show where the aluminum had buckled on the backside of the seatpost holder thingy

this yellow circle shows where the aluminum cracked(not even at a seam!!!) allowing the seatpost holder thingy to buckle....

iGGz · 06-15-2006, 07:08 PM

Ooo I see now... it was just hard to tell at first... yeah I'd give them a call or something and get that fixed...

Sure it wasn't this you hit?

habanero · 06-15-2006, 07:16 PM

Jra!!

brandontrek · 06-15-2006, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toyota_4Runner

Ooo I see now... it was just hard to tell at first... yeah I'd give them a call or something and get that fixed...

well it will get replaced under lifetime warrenty....the rest of the bike is ok...it is just when i sit on it now i get a little extra flex....

habanero · 06-15-2006, 07:28 PM

The hubby's Ellsworth Truth has broken 3 times....last time he was meandering on a flat smooth stretch of singletrack when the top tube broke near the steer tube. Thank goodness there and not while rocketing downhill in Silverton like he'd been a couple days before that.

JRA-just riding around. Guaranteed eyeball roller at the LBS.

bike4miles · 06-15-2006, 08:52 PM

Sorry to break it to ya but it wasn't the fault of the bike. You didn't have the seatpost in far enough. You MUST have the seatpost down to at least mid way though top tube for the frame to have the indegrity it was designed to have. That's what that cutout in the seat tube is, a window to see how far down the post is. It's suposed to be in bast the bottom of the window. You will probably still get it replaced but just keep that in mind for future refrence. No way it would have broken with proper insurtion. I have been a a bike mechanic for 9 years so I have seen it all.

Cebby · 06-15-2006, 09:07 PM

Good info Miles. That's an expensive lesson though...

brandontrek · 06-16-2006, 04:38 AM

i had though about thatmiles right after it happened. to think i had just moved the seatpost up the day before. i guess i will have to find about a 3 foot seatpost cause i like to ride high in the saddle(lol no pun intended)

MTL_4runner · 06-16-2006, 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by habanero

The hubby's Ellsworth Truth has broken 3 times....last time he was meandering on a flat smooth stretch of singletrack when the top tube broke near the steer tube. Thank goodness there and not while rocketing downhill in Silverton like he'd been a couple days before that.

JRA-just riding around. Guaranteed eyeball roller at the LBS.

Wow, I almost bought one of those but just stuck to my Kona for now.
Those bikes are pretty high $$$$ frames too!

bike4miles · 06-16-2006, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTL_4runner

Wow, I almost bought one of those but just stuck to my Kona for now.
Those bikes are pretty high $$$$ frames too!

As I stated in my post, this incodent was not a flaw in the frame. GT makes some great bikes. Any frame will break without enough seatposte insert, especially a mountina bike since the post is out so far it has a lot of levage on the collar.

calrockx · 06-16-2006, 10:55 AM

sucks. i need to get riding my bike more, i'm inspired now.

one of my coworkers does graphic design for marzocchi, they're based around town here.

shiftless89 · 06-16-2006, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by habanero

Jra!!

"just riding along"

Oh crap, I haven't heard that in years! ( I used to run a chain of bike stores in Houston). to funny

for the record those "I" drives have always been prone to cracking and failing like that since they first came out. some are lucky but it does have a high failure rate. (started about the time GT sold out). Take it to your local GT dealer and get another, ride, break, repeat.

habanero · 06-16-2006, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bike4miles

As I stated in my post, this incodent was not a flaw in the frame. GT makes some great bikes. Any frame will break without enough seatposte insert, especially a mountina bike since the post is out so far it has a lot of levage on the collar.

I think he was talking about the Ellsworth. Nice when it works. Ellsworth has warranteed it all three times though that last one he had to buy the rear triangle because of a design change. Since the other two failures were there we're hoping they've managed to solve the problem.

gregbreakseverything · 06-16-2006, 01:50 PM

I cracked the head tube on my Jamis, and they sent me a team replacement that is not for retail sale. I still bought a cove. Good ol bikes built in Canada, they dont break as much. Hopefully they get you your new frame quickly. Nothing worse than being between bikes.

bike4miles · 06-16-2006, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by habanero

I think he was talking about the Ellsworth. Nice when it works. Ellsworth has warranteed it all three times though that last one he had to buy the rear triangle because of a design change. Since the other two failures were there we're hoping they've managed to solve the problem.

Ah. Yea, there are a lot of bikes out there that will break if you ride them long and hard. It takes an agressive rider to find the weaknesses. Sounds like that was the case there.

da_bigg_wigg · 06-16-2006, 02:19 PM

I have a Giant ACiD. To those in the know, it was a frame giant tried to market as a freeride frame back when the whole "freeride" thing took off. The only problem was it was not meant for that sort of thing. It is a great frame for smaller travel applications like urban/street or dj, but once i threw on a z150, i basically signed it's death certificate. The head tube weld cracked. I ended up getting a warranty frame, the STP 1, with no problems whatsoever. It looks beefier, but I've learned my lesson. Now the front end has all of 100mm of travel with the new Manitou Gold Label fork. It is my urban machine.

Bluedog · 06-16-2006, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bike4miles

Sorry to break it to ya but it wasn't the fault of the bike. You didn't have the seatpost in far enough. You MUST have the seatpost down to at least mid way though top tube for the frame to have the indegrity it was designed to have. That's what that cutout in the seat tube is, a window to see how far down the post is. It's suposed to be in bast the bottom of the window. You will probably still get it replaced but just keep that in mind for future refrence. No way it would have broken with proper insurtion. I have been a a bike mechanic for 9 years so I have seen it all.

By window I assume you are refering to something on the back side of the what is the seat tube. The keyhole slot on the front is there to tighten the seat post not to view how far the post is in. Many of the frames like that actually want the seat post to go all the way to the bottom of the of the seat tube. Also check to see if your post is above the minium insertion line. As stated above, this is most likley not the fault of the frame.

My advise to you would be to remove the post before you take the frame in to the shop. You may also want to clean out the seat tube. Most likley you will get a new frame with out trouble.

B.

06-15-2006, 05:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
AxleIke Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 4,890	I too have an idrive. Never had any problems, but i would call right away, That is some bull if a trail bike, built for jumping and beating on, does that on a one inch bump. __________________ 1987 Mutant 4runner\|Slightly Modified\|Lacking general build direction -Lifts and Tires look cool at the Mall, Lockers and Gears look cool on the trail. -Internet Nice Guy

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Georgia4Runner Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA/ Bloomington, IN (IU) Posts: 251	I have the XCR; never had a problem with it. That's an iDrive 2.0, correct? __________________ -Denton 1998 4Runner SR5 4wd, Anthracite/Oak Leather, Hit a tree 1/12/05, Totalled 1/19/05. Miss you! 1995 BMW 525i. Alpine/Parchment. My love!

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brandontrek Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Miami FL Posts: 1,244	yeap its a 2002 idrive 2.0. i am goign to get on the horn with them tomorrow. i have heard of guys cracking these frames and having them replaced... if they replace mine i am going to sell it and go back to a trek.... oh yeah and i am not a big guy.....i tip the scales at a stark 155 lbs.... __________________ 2003 Buell Firebolt Trek STP400 Sneakers Last edited by brandontrek; 06-15-2006 at 05:28 PM.

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waskillywabbit Super Moderator-Sponsoring Member Staff Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Tuscaloosa, AL Posts: 14,555	I think you need to plate both sides, sleeve it, add some Grade 10.9 bolting and use a gusset or two. I'm still not sure exactly what was broken...but that sucks. __________________ WabFab Off-Road, LLC MySpace Twitter Facebook 7th Annual South East 4Runner Jamboree, 2010 The toughest part of a Jeep is the chick driving it. WabFab Off-Road 4th Anniversary Sale

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brandontrek Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Miami FL Posts: 1,244	ok...revised pics.... in this one the yellow circles show where the aluminum had buckled on the backside of the seatpost holder thingy this yellow circle shows where the aluminum cracked(not even at a seam!!!) allowing the seatpost holder thingy to buckle.... __________________ 2003 Buell Firebolt Trek STP400 Sneakers

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iGGz Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Durango, CO Posts: 2,769	Ooo I see now... it was just hard to tell at first... yeah I'd give them a call or something and get that fixed... Sure it wasn't this you hit? __________________ 70,XXX miles 1986 Toyota 4Runner

06-15-2006, 08:52 PM	#13 (permalink)
bike4miles Contributing Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 3,402	Sorry to break it to ya but it wasn't the fault of the bike. You didn't have the seatpost in far enough. You MUST have the seatpost down to at least mid way though top tube for the frame to have the indegrity it was designed to have. That's what that cutout in the seat tube is, a window to see how far down the post is. It's suposed to be in bast the bottom of the window. You will probably still get it replaced but just keep that in mind for future refrence. No way it would have broken with proper insurtion. I have been a a bike mechanic for 9 years so I have seen it all. __________________ --Miles Sold '91 4runner, 22re, 5 spd manual, 180,000 miles, cone filter, Downey 1.5"HD coils, SkyJacker Nitrogens, Magnaflow Exhaust, Stull grill, Clears all around. Check out my sound proofing project and other mods: My 4runner page My 2006 Camry page I'm a Myspace Addict! Last edited by bike4miles; 06-15-2006 at 08:54 PM.

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06-16-2006, 04:38 AM	#15 (permalink)
brandontrek Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Miami FL Posts: 1,244	i had though about thatmiles right after it happened. to think i had just moved the seatpost up the day before. i guess i will have to find about a 3 foot seatpost cause i like to ride high in the saddle(lol no pun intended) __________________ 2003 Buell Firebolt Trek STP400 Sneakers

06-16-2006, 10:55 AM	#18 (permalink)
calrockx Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Santa Clarita, California Posts: 4,742	sucks. i need to get riding my bike more, i'm inspired now. one of my coworkers does graphic design for marzocchi, they're based around town here. __________________ [2002 4Runner 4WD]

06-16-2006, 01:50 PM	#21 (permalink)
gregbreakseverything Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Smithers, BC Posts: 696	I cracked the head tube on my Jamis, and they sent me a team replacement that is not for retail sale. I still bought a cove. Good ol bikes built in Canada, they dont break as much. Hopefully they get you your new frame quickly. Nothing worse than being between bikes. __________________ -Greg Sold- 85 4wd toyota pickup. Stock and sweet! '99 SR5 - Deckplate, ISR, Sweet stereo, all synthetic, KC day lighters, headlight wiring harness, Sonoran Steel #7, 285/75's.

06-16-2006, 02:19 PM	#23 (permalink)
da_bigg_wigg Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Halifax, NS Posts: 1,250	I have a Giant ACiD. To those in the know, it was a frame giant tried to market as a freeride frame back when the whole "freeride" thing took off. The only problem was it was not meant for that sort of thing. It is a great frame for smaller travel applications like urban/street or dj, but once i threw on a z150, i basically signed it's death certificate. The head tube weld cracked. I ended up getting a warranty frame, the STP 1, with no problems whatsoever. It looks beefier, but I've learned my lesson. Now the front end has all of 100mm of travel with the new Manitou Gold Label fork. It is my urban machine. __________________ -1992 4Runner (Medallist Edition) Still given 'er 16 years later -Santa Cruz Bullit -Giant STP1 -Empty Wallet Adam

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