Pass interference

RebuiltRunner · 01-07-2003, 01:03 AM

So what (if any) do you all think will be the ramifications of the NFL admitting (on a weekend full of questionable calls) that it's officials cost the Giants a chance to win the game.

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jx94148 · 01-07-2003, 06:45 AM

There will probably be a big change in the replay rules but I doubt it will include overturning penalties or calling penalties after the fact. The officials that screw up games will get a stern talking to in a fancy office somewhere and maybe fines. If refs have to pay fines the way players do, the bad calls would quickly dissappear the way helmet to helmet hits have just about vanished.

As long as someone beats the Raiders i'll be happy.

BTOWN4RUNNER · 01-07-2003, 10:22 AM

There are a few things with that explanation that I do not agree with. First and foremost, I am a 49ers fan. I have been for 17 years, since I was 4. The call was a call that should have been made. There most certainly was pass interference. But...the lineman was an ineligable receiver. They say that he was not, but in order for a lineman to be an eligible receiver, he must tell the officials and the officials must announce it over the PA system. That...they did not do. Also, he was not he only ineligible receiver downfield...the WHOLE OFFENSIVE LINE WAS!!!! There were 5 ineligible receivers down field. 5!! So, beings that there were two flags on the play (ineligible man, and pass interference), there would be offsetting penalties. This is where I am not too familiar, but can an offsetting penalty end a game. I know that a defensive penalty can't, but can offsetting penalities? I think that they can. The only thing that they can do is play the play over, but there is no time left and you can't add time to the clock, so the game is over. NINERS win and that is that.

I am not yelling, just telling the opinion of a niners fan. I may be wrong on this and welcome anyone who can correct me. Thanks for starting this thread, I have been wanting to discuss this with someone and no one at work wants to...I wonder why. LOL. :fireman:

ts1 · 01-07-2003, 11:07 AM

Offsetting penalties cannot end a game. The reason that the game ended is because the pass-interference penalty was nullified because there can be no interference on a ineligible receiver. Problem is that the refs did not rule on the eligible receiver who was interfered with and therefore the Giants should have received another down. But hey, that's the way it goes. I am glad that SF won. Also, SF intercepted the ball just a couple of downs earlier but it was ruled as an incomplete pass. Another bad call. I think the refs should be penalized for bad calls.

richeyma · 01-07-2003, 12:08 PM

Refs ARE reprimanded for bad calls. We just don't see it on SportsCenter

Refs are relieved from their duties about every year. There are only a handful of refs that are in the league year in and year out, and the reason that they're reffing is because most (not all) of the time they perform their job well. Expecting every ref to make the right call every time is as ridiculous as expecting your favorite QB to complete every pass or your favorite receiver to catch every ball. Refs are human; they make mistakes just like everybody else on the field. It's easy for us from our living room to watch slow motion replays from 10 different angles to see if a guy was in bounds or had possession of the ball. A ref has one chance to make a split second decision. There are times when the correct call is made, there are times when the incorrect call is made, and there are times when it's impossible to determine what the heck happened. That's just the game. The NFL admitted that a mistake was made at the end of the game because the player who was tackled did in fact check in prior to the game that he was an eligible receiver for kicking formations. Not that it will change the outcome, but it was an admitted mistake and refs will be reprimanded (the ref who didn't make the call is/was a respected referee who reffed the Super Bowl last year). Giants fans, if the snapper didn't make a MISTAKE when snapping the ball, or the holder making a MISTAKE by not getting outside the pocket and throwing the ball out of bounds (or even the kicker for making a MISTAKE and shanking a field goal attempt earlier in the period), the issue would have never come up.

One last thing...Fining a player for helmet to helmet contact is not the same as fining a ref for making a bad call. A similar comparison would be to fine a player for fumbling the ball, throwing an interception, giving up a sack, or holding.

Just my 2 cents (well, it's probably about $1.50).

HBoss · 01-07-2003, 12:19 PM

Officiating is at its best when you don't notice them even being there. Did the NFL admit their officiating cost a team a game, or are you giving a 'what if' situation?

Personally, I think the game was lost by the Giant players & not the refs. They couldn't let SF get the penalty w/o them taking one too, not once but twice...in a row, mind you. Then Junkin snapped the field goal attempt ball and Allen couldn't handle it. Then he elected to try & throw it, instead of spike it on a 3rd down and retry the field goal.

Sorry to any Giants fans, but "their players screwing up over and over and over" was the reason they lost. So in the end I think SF was simply the better team due to its players being better in one way or another.

EDIT: richeyma answered my "Did the NFL admit their officiating cost a team a game, or are you giving a 'what if' situation?" question.

richeyma · 01-07-2003, 12:38 PM

HBoss,

My sentiments exacly and in a precise manner (unlike me!).

One minor correction--Allen could not have spiked the ball. The only time the offense is allowed to spike the ball is if the snap is taken under center (which is why you never see a QB spike the ball from the shotgun formation). As I mentioned previously, he could have rolled outside the linesman and thrown the ball out of bounds. He could have also taken a couple steps backward and thrown the ball at the back of the kicker as he is an eligible receiver (at least that's what was said on SportsCenter last night).

Matt

HBoss · 01-07-2003, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by richeyma
HBoss,

My sentiments exacly and in a precise manner (unlike me!).

One minor correction--Allen could not have spiked the ball. The only time the offense is allowed to spike the ball is if the snap is taken under center (which is why you never see a QB spike the ball from the shotgun formation). As I mentioned previously, he could have rolled outside the linesman and thrown the ball out of bounds. He could have also taken a couple steps backward and thrown the ball at the back of the kicker as he is an eligible receiver (at least that's what was said on SportsCenter last night).

Matt

You're right sorry. I was typing quick trying to get my thoughts (of which I have many) out quickly before I forget hehe. I used the term loosely & incorrectly, but by 'spiked' I meant i.e. tossed it outta bounds, made in incomplete pass to a 'valid' receiver, etc. Geez, even a fumble, recovered by himself might have helped!

I can't wait for the Raiders game this weekend. I'm an OR fan.

Let's start a new off-topic thread and talk football! I'll start it off.

tomus1000 · 01-07-2003, 09:29 PM

All I know is :

If it had been a Giants/Jets Superbowl then I would be selling big screen tv's like they were free. My store is about 30 from New York. The officials cost me business.

TooEZgoin · 01-08-2003, 06:44 PM

I did not see this game because I had to work, but I must say that after witnessing many serious bad calls by the refs in games from the past, I feel that there are some crooked refs that have money on these games.
Some of the refs calls decided the outcome of the game. MANY times the refs making the calls had a total unobstructed view, and would say the person was out of bounds or his knee was down etc. when clearly it was not. But people always discount it by saying...well everyone is human, or well the ref saw it real time not instant replay and had to decide. I am telling you that there have been calls that the refs CLEARLY could judge, and after a while you have to wonder. Not saying this was the case in this game at all (which I did not see) But I am speaking in general from games in the past. $.02

01-07-2003, 10:22 AM	#3 (permalink)
BTOWN4RUNNER Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Boyertown, Pa Posts: 1,853	There are a few things with that explanation that I do not agree with. First and foremost, I am a 49ers fan. I have been for 17 years, since I was 4. The call was a call that should have been made. There most certainly was pass interference. But...the lineman was an ineligable receiver. They say that he was not, but in order for a lineman to be an eligible receiver, he must tell the officials and the officials must announce it over the PA system. That...they did not do. Also, he was not he only ineligible receiver downfield...the WHOLE OFFENSIVE LINE WAS!!!! There were 5 ineligible receivers down field. 5!! So, beings that there were two flags on the play (ineligible man, and pass interference), there would be offsetting penalties. This is where I am not too familiar, but can an offsetting penalty end a game. I know that a defensive penalty can't, but can offsetting penalities? I think that they can. The only thing that they can do is play the play over, but there is no time left and you can't add time to the clock, so the game is over. NINERS win and that is that. I am not yelling, just telling the opinion of a niners fan. I may be wrong on this and welcome anyone who can correct me. Thanks for starting this thread, I have been wanting to discuss this with someone and no one at work wants to...I wonder why. LOL. :fireman: __________________ Ryan 2002 Toyota 4Runner Sport Edition Friendship Hook & Ladder Fire Co., Boyertown

01-07-2003, 11:07 AM	#4 (permalink)
ts1 Contributing Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 253	Offsetting penalties cannot end a game. The reason that the game ended is because the pass-interference penalty was nullified because there can be no interference on a ineligible receiver. Problem is that the refs did not rule on the eligible receiver who was interfered with and therefore the Giants should have received another down. But hey, that's the way it goes. I am glad that SF won. Also, SF intercepted the ball just a couple of downs earlier but it was ruled as an incomplete pass. Another bad call. I think the refs should be penalized for bad calls. __________________ 2000 SR5 4X4, 5-spd, Locker, SAW-OME Lift, ARB & Rockware Bumpers, SLEE-Sliders, Warn M8000 Winch, Magnaflow Muffler, BFG 285/75R16 AT KO

01-07-2003, 12:08 PM	#5 (permalink)
richeyma Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Burke, VA Posts: 196	Refs ARE reprimanded for bad calls. We just don't see it on SportsCenter Refs are relieved from their duties about every year. There are only a handful of refs that are in the league year in and year out, and the reason that they're reffing is because most (not all) of the time they perform their job well. Expecting every ref to make the right call every time is as ridiculous as expecting your favorite QB to complete every pass or your favorite receiver to catch every ball. Refs are human; they make mistakes just like everybody else on the field. It's easy for us from our living room to watch slow motion replays from 10 different angles to see if a guy was in bounds or had possession of the ball. A ref has one chance to make a split second decision. There are times when the correct call is made, there are times when the incorrect call is made, and there are times when it's impossible to determine what the heck happened. That's just the game. The NFL admitted that a mistake was made at the end of the game because the player who was tackled did in fact check in prior to the game that he was an eligible receiver for kicking formations. Not that it will change the outcome, but it was an admitted mistake and refs will be reprimanded (the ref who didn't make the call is/was a respected referee who reffed the Super Bowl last year). Giants fans, if the snapper didn't make a MISTAKE when snapping the ball, or the holder making a MISTAKE by not getting outside the pocket and throwing the ball out of bounds (or even the kicker for making a MISTAKE and shanking a field goal attempt earlier in the period), the issue would have never come up. One last thing...Fining a player for helmet to helmet contact is not the same as fining a ref for making a bad call. A similar comparison would be to fine a player for fumbling the ball, throwing an interception, giving up a sack, or holding. Just my 2 cents (well, it's probably about $1.50). __________________ '91 4Runner 4WD SR5 V6 5-Speed (Owned since new) TJM Bull Bar; OME Springs, Shocks and Steering Stabilier; Wheelers off road steelies; 32x11.5 BFG MT's; Gorilla sliders; K&N Air Filter; Hella Headlights; Husky Liners; IPF 968 Lights; SAW torsion bars webshots

01-07-2003, 12:19 PM	#6 (permalink)
HBoss Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada Posts: 1,878	Officiating is at its best when you don't notice them even being there. Did the NFL admit their officiating cost a team a game, or are you giving a 'what if' situation? Personally, I think the game was lost by the Giant players & not the refs. They couldn't let SF get the penalty w/o them taking one too, not once but twice...in a row, mind you. Then Junkin snapped the field goal attempt ball and Allen couldn't handle it. Then he elected to try & throw it, instead of spike it on a 3rd down and retry the field goal. Sorry to any Giants fans, but "their players screwing up over and over and over" was the reason they lost. So in the end I think SF was simply the better team due to its players being better in one way or another. EDIT: richeyma answered my "Did the NFL admit their officiating cost a team a game, or are you giving a 'what if' situation?" question. __________________ 1997 4Runner Ltd. Bilstein shocks, rear E-locker & riding on 32s. Mods Pics Tech articles, write-ups & more are available on my website. http://www.hboss.net/4runner

01-07-2003, 12:38 PM	#7 (permalink)
richeyma Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Burke, VA Posts: 196	HBoss, My sentiments exacly and in a precise manner (unlike me!). One minor correction--Allen could not have spiked the ball. The only time the offense is allowed to spike the ball is if the snap is taken under center (which is why you never see a QB spike the ball from the shotgun formation). As I mentioned previously, he could have rolled outside the linesman and thrown the ball out of bounds. He could have also taken a couple steps backward and thrown the ball at the back of the kicker as he is an eligible receiver (at least that's what was said on SportsCenter last night). Matt __________________ '91 4Runner 4WD SR5 V6 5-Speed (Owned since new) TJM Bull Bar; OME Springs, Shocks and Steering Stabilier; Wheelers off road steelies; 32x11.5 BFG MT's; Gorilla sliders; K&N Air Filter; Hella Headlights; Husky Liners; IPF 968 Lights; SAW torsion bars webshots

01-07-2003, 06:45 AM	#2 (permalink)
jx94148 Banned Join Date: May 2002 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 2,617	There will probably be a big change in the replay rules but I doubt it will include overturning penalties or calling penalties after the fact. The officials that screw up games will get a stern talking to in a fancy office somewhere and maybe fines. If refs have to pay fines the way players do, the bad calls would quickly dissappear the way helmet to helmet hits have just about vanished. As long as someone beats the Raiders i'll be happy.

01-07-2003, 09:29 PM	#9 (permalink)
tomus1000 Contributing Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Wallingford, Ct Posts: 1,595	All I know is : If it had been a Giants/Jets Superbowl then I would be selling big screen tv's like they were free. My store is about 30 from New York. The officials cost me business. __________________ -Noel- 2002 Tacoma Double Cab Impulse Red w/ color keyed package...2nd generation supercharger...TRD off road package...TRD boost guage...TRD tranny cooler...Borla exhaust...Speed Liner spray in bed liner

01-08-2003, 06:44 PM	#10 (permalink)
TooEZgoin Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 69	I did not see this game because I had to work, but I must say that after witnessing many serious bad calls by the refs in games from the past, I feel that there are some crooked refs that have money on these games. Some of the refs calls decided the outcome of the game. MANY times the refs making the calls had a total unobstructed view, and would say the person was out of bounds or his knee was down etc. when clearly it was not. But people always discount it by saying...well everyone is human, or well the ref saw it real time not instant replay and had to decide. I am telling you that there have been calls that the refs CLEARLY could judge, and after a while you have to wonder. Not saying this was the case in this game at all (which I did not see) But I am speaking in general from games in the past. $.02

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