I need some crap on Nissan....

Pretacopower · 02-12-2005, 10:50 PM

....because my dad wants one over the new 05 Tacoma :pat:

He's looking to replace his ill-fated CRV, and I had him convinced on a new 05 Taco Prerunner w/the TRD Offroading package, with promises of showing him some light trails to see some awesome scenery (he likes that stuff).

I come home today to find out he's suddenly decided on a new 05 Frontier instead

When asked, he shrugged and said "it looks better"

I know Nissan's a reputable company, but....well, to be perfectly honest, I was looking forward to getting to drive that 05 occasionally

Plus, I've been wanting to get him involved in some light off-roading since he's always been interested and I think the 05 Taco would fare better than the Frontier.

Any advice? How do the Taco's specs compare to the Frontiers?

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Albuquerque Jim · 02-12-2005, 10:59 PM

rear locker

its2slo · 02-12-2005, 11:03 PM

nissan has more power a rear d44 with locker (when opted) and is cheaper. itll have crummy resale though, people are just crazy about used toys.

4-RUNNIN' FREAK · 02-12-2005, 11:14 PM

It's NOT a Toyota

firemedic · 02-12-2005, 11:29 PM

If it's anything like previous generations of Toyota vs. Nissan, just make sure he drives and rides in both of them, I'm pretty sure that will sell him on the Toyota.

SLC Punk · 02-12-2005, 11:32 PM

Have him sit in the Tacoma then sit in the Frontier. You can tell the quality difference in the interior alone.

bulldog-yota · 02-12-2005, 11:42 PM

The nissan has more HP and i think TQ, but see at how many RPM it happens. It is not a good motor for a truck, you want low end grunt not a high RPM unit. Anything that makes it's peak TQ over 4000 RPM is not a good truck motor in my mind.

Secondly I doubt the interior of the Nissan will hold up compared to the Taco.

Then also check ratings on CR for nissan vs the Taco. JD Powers, etc, etc everytime the Toy will list amongst the top and the Nissan midpack or slightly better.

Drive both and see which one he likes best, I think the Taco is slightly bigger insode compared to the nissan.

Pricing is very simlar for both. Not a big difference, but resale is a very different story as said above.

Turning circle and payload the Taco has a good advantage.

The frontier weighs like 400lb more so it will actually be slower than the taco even if it has a few more ponies. Hmmm same TQ at higher RPM weighs 10% more, lets see how they really perform.

I find the interior specs listed by Nissan very hard to believe given the shorter wheelbase and less width compared to the Taco. So go check for yourself.

http://www.edmunds.com/apps/nvc/edmunds/VehicleComparison;jsessionid=CPCXplndGpTFWfmwlQ1cQ bpnK1TQ1BKLKWv7LGnKJ7tp4B62N22B!1448435858?styleid =100506464&styleid=100482291&maxvehicles=5&refid=& op=3&tab=specs

93YODER · 02-12-2005, 11:46 PM

I HATE TO TO SAY IT,BUT TOYOTA IS LOSING GROUND TO NISSAN.
THE FRONTIER HAS MORE POWER,DANA 44,OPT LOCKER,AND COSTS LESS!

IT ALSO DOSN'T HAVE A PLASTIC BED.

stevrock · 02-13-2005, 03:35 AM

AND WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH OUR "CAPS LOCK" KEY.

Nissan Frontier= 514,000
Toyota Tacoma= 646,000- Winner of the google war.

I personally would rather have a plastic box on my truck, it's lighter and more durable. And since I can get my truck professionally undercoated for $50, it would cost half also.

MTL_4runner · 02-13-2005, 06:23 AM

I would take the Tacoma over the Frontier anyday, but when it came to the Titan vs the Tundra...I might have to think about it. I don't think you can argue quality as much anymore and it does have more options and is cheaper but Toyota still has the edge on styling.

cliffw · 02-13-2005, 06:46 AM

2005 Tacoma
Winner of Motor Trend's Truck Of The Year award. !

X-AWDriver · 02-13-2005, 08:47 AM

I'd say drive both and see what he likes;my vote would go to the Tacoma but we are a bit biased and I've driven both an '05 Sport and an '05 Off Road versions and they both were sweet. I checked resale values on the Frontiers and they seemed to be holding pretty well so that could just be a wash when comparing since anything from Japan seems to hold it's value decently.

EDGE · 02-13-2005, 04:17 PM

Current Nissans are crap and lack quality, Tacomas average 15-30k units a month, Frontiers are lucky to sell 5000 a month, Nissan has to sell them for less cause they are not equal to the Toyota, anyone I know drives a Tacoma and says Nissan is not worth it and the people who drive Frontiers want Tacomas

turboale · 02-13-2005, 05:00 PM

I saw 4 titans parked in the used lot at the dodge dealership less than a month after they came out... Not sure about the new frontiers, but you pretty much get what you pay for here...

Its like buying an audi vs a subaru. Both are awd are fast, and fund to drive. But at the end of the day your driving a subaru. Go sit in both back to back and you'll know what I mean. Same goes for these two.

Pretacopower · 02-13-2005, 05:47 PM

Thanks for the replies guys, but alas, it's too late

2 days ago my dad tells me he isn't going to look untill spring, today I come home from work and guess what's in our driveway....a new 05 Nissan Frontier!

BUT, it's hard for me to say anything bad about it so far. It does look pretty awesome, at least better than I thought (especially in dark gray) and DAMN does it accelerate! It's got the 4.0 V6 w/the 5 speed auto....just like the new Taco's, although I'm not sure how the specs compare.
It rides JUST like a car though...which I didn't care for. I'll take my Tacoma with stiff suspension, rough brakes, and wide turning radius anyday

Anyway, we'll see how it holds up in the long run I guess. All in all I still think the 05 Taco looks better and has better options for guys like us, but this Nissan will see mostly highway miles so I guess it's good choice for my dad.

Thanks again for all the replies!

SLC Punk · 02-14-2005, 06:03 AM

Well at least he didn't get a Domestic! Did he get the Nismo package?

Pretacopower · 02-14-2005, 01:05 PM

Nope, no Nismo package. Just a plain ol' 2wd doublecab.
It's just begging for a lift though

EDGE · 02-14-2005, 01:13 PM

Well congrats on the new ride and best of luck, post pics

FilthyRich · 02-14-2005, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 93YODER

I HATE TO TO SAY IT,BUT TOYOTA IS LOSING GROUND TO NISSAN.
THE FRONTIER HAS MORE POWER,DANA 44,OPT LOCKER,AND COSTS LESS!

IT ALSO DOSN'T HAVE A PLASTIC BED.

resale stinks and the fit and finish is as good as GM IMO

EDGE · 02-15-2005, 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FilthyRich

resale stinks and the fit and finish is as good as GM IMO

Im glad your looking at it in a positive light

X-AWDriver · 02-15-2005, 08:56 AM

Resale value on Xterras seems to be holdinhg but then again anything AWD/4WD goes for alot around here.

Juggalo · 02-15-2005, 09:43 AM

To each his own

But I personally think that Toyota has always been the best (no questions asked) in the mid size truck market

Congrads though, at least your dad is experiencing that "new car" feeling

X-AWDriver · 02-15-2005, 10:57 AM

I still think Toyota's the best or I wouldn't own one.

Pretacopower · 02-15-2005, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juggalo

To each his own

But I personally think that Toyota has always been the best (no questions asked) in the mid size truck market

Congrads though, at least your dad is experiencing that "new car" feeling

I agree, if I could have it my way he would have an 05 Taco right now
Hey, at least he traded in our F-150 for it, and didn't get another ford right?

02-12-2005, 10:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
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02-12-2005, 11:03 PM	#3 (permalink)
its2slo Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: portland oregon Posts: 704	nissan has more power a rear d44 with locker (when opted) and is cheaper. itll have crummy resale though, people are just crazy about used toys. __________________ jake

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02-12-2005, 11:29 PM	#5 (permalink)
firemedic Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Camas, WA USA Posts: 545	If it's anything like previous generations of Toyota vs. Nissan, just make sure he drives and rides in both of them, I'm pretty sure that will sell him on the Toyota. __________________ Ben Silva 96 Lexus LX450, 125k, front/rear OEM diff locks, CDL switch, Pin 7 mod, power points, wired 850w inverter, jdm "oh crap" bar, OME heavy (850/863) lift, 285/75/16 Cooper STT, spare tire lift mod 98 Lexus LX470, 135k, Britax car seat ;) TLCA member #14300 Camas, WA USA

02-12-2005, 11:32 PM	#6 (permalink)
SLC Punk Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 5,875	Have him sit in the Tacoma then sit in the Frontier. You can tell the quality difference in the interior alone. __________________ -Travis 1997 4Runner SR5 V6 4X4 Supercharged Desert Dune SOLD :( 1992 Celica All Trac (AWD-Turbo) #223 of 271 US spec for 1992 FOR SALE 2005 Tundra Double Cab Limited 4X4 2.5" lift 265/70R17 Dueler Revo's 4Runner and Celica Webpage

02-12-2005, 11:42 PM	#7 (permalink)
bulldog-yota Contributing Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Morgan Hill, CA Posts: 1,876	The nissan has more HP and i think TQ, but see at how many RPM it happens. It is not a good motor for a truck, you want low end grunt not a high RPM unit. Anything that makes it's peak TQ over 4000 RPM is not a good truck motor in my mind. Secondly I doubt the interior of the Nissan will hold up compared to the Taco. Then also check ratings on CR for nissan vs the Taco. JD Powers, etc, etc everytime the Toy will list amongst the top and the Nissan midpack or slightly better. Drive both and see which one he likes best, I think the Taco is slightly bigger insode compared to the nissan. Pricing is very simlar for both. Not a big difference, but resale is a very different story as said above. Turning circle and payload the Taco has a good advantage. The frontier weighs like 400lb more so it will actually be slower than the taco even if it has a few more ponies. Hmmm same TQ at higher RPM weighs 10% more, lets see how they really perform. I find the interior specs listed by Nissan very hard to believe given the shorter wheelbase and less width compared to the Taco. So go check for yourself. http://www.edmunds.com/apps/nvc/edmunds/VehicleComparison;jsessionid=CPCXplndGpTFWfmwlQ1cQ bpnK1TQ1BKLKWv7LGnKJ7tp4B62N22B!1448435858?styleid =100506464&styleid=100482291&maxvehicles=5&refid=& op=3&tab=specs __________________ ___________________ ***andries*** 03 Pavement Princess 05 Mall Queen

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93YODER Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: ft.collins colorado Posts: 196	I HATE TO TO SAY IT,BUT TOYOTA IS LOSING GROUND TO NISSAN. THE FRONTIER HAS MORE POWER,DANA 44,OPT LOCKER,AND COSTS LESS! IT ALSO DOSN'T HAVE A PLASTIC BED.

02-13-2005, 06:23 AM	#10 (permalink)
MTL_4runner Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Montreal, QC Canada Posts: 8,807	I would take the Tacoma over the Frontier anyday, but when it came to the Titan vs the Tundra...I might have to think about it. I don't think you can argue quality as much anymore and it does have more options and is cheaper but Toyota still has the edge on styling. __________________ - Jamie 1996 4Runner SR5 4X4 Auto Deckplate Mod, Hayden Tranny Cooler, Amsoil Air Filter, OME 881/906 N86C/N91SC Lift Best OBD II scan tool I have used!. .....and I am AMERICAN!

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02-13-2005, 08:47 AM	#12 (permalink)
X-AWDriver Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Littleton,CO Posts: 10,173	I'd say drive both and see what he likes;my vote would go to the Tacoma but we are a bit biased and I've driven both an '05 Sport and an '05 Off Road versions and they both were sweet. I checked resale values on the Frontiers and they seemed to be holding pretty well so that could just be a wash when comparing since anything from Japan seems to hold it's value decently. __________________ '99 4Runner Highlander 4wd E-locker,rear diff and deckplate mod * 265/75/16 Nitto TerraGrapplers * Yakima Load Warrior rack * clear corners/signals * Tacoma skidplate * Silverstar lamps/fogs Alpine CDA-9831,Bazooka EL Series 250w amp,MTX 10" sub

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EDGE Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: outside NYC Posts: 2,038	Current Nissans are crap and lack quality, Tacomas average 15-30k units a month, Frontiers are lucky to sell 5000 a month, Nissan has to sell them for less cause they are not equal to the Toyota, anyone I know drives a Tacoma and says Nissan is not worth it and the people who drive Frontiers want Tacomas __________________ 2003 ES300 2003 V8 LTD 4Runner 2006 Nissan Maxima SE

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turboale Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 4,836	I saw 4 titans parked in the used lot at the dodge dealership less than a month after they came out... Not sure about the new frontiers, but you pretty much get what you pay for here... Its like buying an audi vs a subaru. Both are awd are fast, and fund to drive. But at the end of the day your driving a subaru. Go sit in both back to back and you'll know what I mean. Same goes for these two. __________________ --Austin RHaus NYC 06 M45 Sport - Beauty 96 4Runner - The Beast

02-13-2005, 05:47 PM	#15 (permalink)
Pretacopower Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Santa Clarita, CA Posts: 1,015	Thanks for the replies guys, but alas, it's too late 2 days ago my dad tells me he isn't going to look untill spring, today I come home from work and guess what's in our driveway....a new 05 Nissan Frontier! BUT, it's hard for me to say anything bad about it so far. It does look pretty awesome, at least better than I thought (especially in dark gray) and DAMN does it accelerate! It's got the 4.0 V6 w/the 5 speed auto....just like the new Taco's, although I'm not sure how the specs compare. It rides JUST like a car though...which I didn't care for. I'll take my Tacoma with stiff suspension, rough brakes, and wide turning radius anyday Anyway, we'll see how it holds up in the long run I guess. All in all I still think the 05 Taco looks better and has better options for guys like us, but this Nissan will see mostly highway miles so I guess it's good choice for my dad. Thanks again for all the replies! __________________ ---Ryan--- 1999 V6 2WD (locked) Tacoma Prerunner

02-14-2005, 06:03 AM	#16 (permalink)
SLC Punk Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 5,875	Well at least he didn't get a Domestic! Did he get the Nismo package? __________________ -Travis 1997 4Runner SR5 V6 4X4 Supercharged Desert Dune SOLD :( 1992 Celica All Trac (AWD-Turbo) #223 of 271 US spec for 1992 FOR SALE 2005 Tundra Double Cab Limited 4X4 2.5" lift 265/70R17 Dueler Revo's 4Runner and Celica Webpage

02-14-2005, 01:05 PM	#17 (permalink)
Pretacopower Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Santa Clarita, CA Posts: 1,015	Nope, no Nismo package. Just a plain ol' 2wd doublecab. It's just begging for a lift though __________________ ---Ryan--- 1999 V6 2WD (locked) Tacoma Prerunner

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EDGE Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: outside NYC Posts: 2,038	Well congrats on the new ride and best of luck, post pics __________________ 2003 ES300 2003 V8 LTD 4Runner 2006 Nissan Maxima SE

02-15-2005, 08:56 AM	#21 (permalink)
X-AWDriver Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Littleton,CO Posts: 10,173	Resale value on Xterras seems to be holdinhg but then again anything AWD/4WD goes for alot around here. __________________ '99 4Runner Highlander 4wd E-locker,rear diff and deckplate mod * 265/75/16 Nitto TerraGrapplers * Yakima Load Warrior rack * clear corners/signals * Tacoma skidplate * Silverstar lamps/fogs Alpine CDA-9831,Bazooka EL Series 250w amp,MTX 10" sub

02-15-2005, 09:43 AM	#22 (permalink)
Juggalo Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 670	To each his own But I personally think that Toyota has always been the best (no questions asked) in the mid size truck market Congrads though, at least your dad is experiencing that "new car" feeling

02-15-2005, 10:57 AM	#23 (permalink)
X-AWDriver Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Littleton,CO Posts: 10,173	I still think Toyota's the best or I wouldn't own one. __________________ '99 4Runner Highlander 4wd E-locker,rear diff and deckplate mod * 265/75/16 Nitto TerraGrapplers * Yakima Load Warrior rack * clear corners/signals * Tacoma skidplate * Silverstar lamps/fogs Alpine CDA-9831,Bazooka EL Series 250w amp,MTX 10" sub

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