I was gonna get an fj, then I read this...

ken.vs.ryu · 08-22-2006, 04:28 PM

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The Land Rover Defender is the longest surviving SUV, and it soldiers on for 2007 with some important enhancements to its interior and powertrain. First off, the Defender still looks the same way it always has, which is to say utilitarian and square. The only exterior change is to the hood, which receives a new profile to fit around the Defender's new 2.4-liter four-cylinder CRD diesel engine. The new motor puts out 120 hp and 265 ft-lbs. of torque, and a new six-speed gearbox with a lower first gear and higher sixth gear improve responsiveness while rock crawling and highway cruising, respectively. The Defender's dash has also been completely redone and features bits and pieces from the LR3, a more powerful HVAC system and an improved stereo system with AUX-IN jacks and high-mounted tweeters. Seats have also been upgraded and for the first time the station wagon model can be ordered with a third row of seating.

I wonder if I can afford it...

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4runnermt · 08-22-2006, 04:40 PM

I'd still stick with the fj, especially since FORD has its dirty hands in land rover.

wjwerdna · 08-22-2006, 05:08 PM

eew, i know its got a reputation. but seriously? i dont know, id go with the FJ...

seanz0rz · 08-22-2006, 05:16 PM

i didnt know they were still being made? awesome. too bad they arent available in the states.

i think they are sooo fricken cool, but whats with the small engine? my honda has more hp than that! torque, maybe not, but still. i thought it would at least have a v6.

i like em, for the body style, more than the fj, but in terms of features and all around vehicle, id pick the fj.

gohawks · 08-22-2006, 05:33 PM

Looks cool, but how is the reliability? Doesn't the saying go when you buy and Land Rover you have to buy a mechanic as well? (something to that effect).

Interesting how their seems to be a resurgeance of the Land Rovers. I noticed out west (Utah) there were a lot of Land Rovers and advertisements for them.

You almost NEVER see one in Iowa unless you are in West Des Moines.

TDiddy · 08-22-2006, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by gohawks

You almost NEVER see one in Iowa unless you are in West Des Moines.

Yeah, there's plenty around here. In fact I'm just a few miles from the dealership.

kwikrnu · 08-22-2006, 06:22 PM

I'd take that in a heartbeat over the fj cruiser. It looks better and it has a diesel engine.

***Corey*** · 08-22-2006, 06:27 PM

It will be in the shop more than the FJ ever would.
You could never talk me into driving a non Toyota.

Toyota has the reliability hands down.

ken.vs.ryu · 08-22-2006, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Corey

It will be in the shop more than the FJ ever would.
You could never talk me into driving a non Toyota.

Toyota has the reliability hands down.

hopefully the diesel engine will fix that.

Red3.slow · 08-22-2006, 07:30 PM

god wouldn't an FJC be nice with a diesel

terryjmatthew · 08-22-2006, 07:55 PM

Thought I would weigh in on this one. I drove a Defender 110 TD5 today, and it was probably one of the weakest 4x4's I have ever driven!
The LR felt like it had less power than my old 3.slow w/ 32's... Not to mention the fact that it was having internal transmission problems(5 spd) w/ 22K on the odo.

The only thing LR still has going for them is their classic looks, and they are getting old after 50+ years.

Cebby · 08-22-2006, 09:14 PM

They had not been importing the 90 - has that changed?

4-RUNNIN' FREAK · 08-23-2006, 04:38 AM

I Like it.

It doesn't look like a toy. Pun intended.

arjan · 08-23-2006, 06:52 AM

Those things have had diesels for eons. A friend of mine was looking at an imported 88 diesel. I've always like them, my grandfather had an "old" one (for that time) back in the '70s.

tony_4runner · 08-23-2006, 07:20 AM

In my quest of buying a manual transmission 4x4 I test drove a new FJ and hated it. The engine and trany felt great, however I think the interior sucks. It feels like driving inside a coffin. It is hard to see back and too large of a blind spot for my liking. Sitting in the back seats feels too dark and trapped. BUT, I still love Yotas..... and I ended up buying a newer 5-speed Runner.

***Corey*** · 08-23-2006, 07:48 AM

I guess different strokes for different folk's...

The FJ Cruiser is by far the best rig I have ever owned.
Blind spot, that cracks me up when people say that.
There is none if you are use to driving a cargo van, Corvette, ect, anything that does not have huge windows like other cars, trucks, or SUVs.

The interior makes me feel like I am in a space ship about to go into hyperspace/wapr drive.
In other words, I love it.

Plenty of room, and far more than my 4Runner I traded in.
Much more room to stretch out, and more side room too, the passengers are not right on top of you.

A diesel might be nice, but remember, diesel is also the most expensive fuel now.
The big wig gas companies sucked in all of the big Ford, Dodge, and Chevy owners of these big diesle trucks, and now a lot are regretting it since the fuel is more money.

I can hardly go anywhere too without getting a thumbs up or a big gawk coming my way.

Before long, you may see these too while out driving.

ken.vs.ryu · 08-23-2006, 03:27 PM

diesel is cheaper around my way. i was waiting for the diesel fj also, but i've wanted an lr d110 since 93, the only yr it was available here. they stopped selling the d90 here when airbags were mandatory. the 110 is old now and i can see how it can be considered sluggish.

gas and diesel prices - hmm diesel is going up but that should fix itself.
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pe...dcus_nus_w.htm

terryjmatthew · 08-23-2006, 04:50 PM

BTW, the 110 I drove is a 2001.

Tanto · 08-23-2006, 09:52 PM

Looks like that FJ is hanging a rear tire, Corey. I was not impressed by one of them on the trails. My truck stock had more flex than those FJs have.

1985 4Runner · 08-23-2006, 10:20 PM

it's nice. I'd go with the FJC though.

AH64ID · 08-23-2006, 11:08 PM

Have you ever driven a D90??? THEY ARE HORRIBLE at best... besides the 4x4 system is not one I would want on a DD, its either AWD or locked, front center rear... i.e. cant drive on snow, ice, turn, etc etc... not something I would ever consider...

justinh · 08-24-2006, 06:30 AM

And new ones haven't been imported since 1994...

***Corey*** · 08-24-2006, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Tanto

Looks like that FJ is hanging a rear tire, Corey. I was not impressed by one of them on the trails. My truck stock had more flex than those FJs have.

You need to look at some of the vid links I have posted in the FJC forum here.
Everyone who drives one is impressed.

Believe me, they flex.

I should also add that I rode in Will's FJC at the Toyota Trail Team Event a week before I got mine.
His flexed just fine & dandy.
He was doing the trail that two soild axle rigs were on, I was very impressed.

X-AWDriver · 08-24-2006, 08:15 AM

Maybe it has a few optins that make it better off road than the FJ but when you hit the pavement that thing looks ugly with minimal style.............from the '80s.

Let's not mention the 120hp which would really suck for any kind of reasonable speed when you hit a hill on the highway.

The FJ would be better for around twon and more than adequate on the trails and for the cost of the Rover you probably could buy the wife her own FJ to match yours.

cackalak han · 08-24-2006, 08:48 AM

Reliability aside, I'd take that Rover in a heart beat over the FJ. The FJC does not do it for me at all. Personally, I don't think Toyota did well on the design (no offense to the FJC owners. It's just my opinion). Anyway, getting OT.

I think the Rover looks great. It's got a modern appeal, and kept the classic design. It's a sweet looking rig. Wonder what the gas mileage is with the 2.4L Diesel? I'm guessing it'd be pretty good.

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seanz0rz Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Cal Poly Pomona or Redlands, CA Posts: 1,282	i didnt know they were still being made? awesome. too bad they arent available in the states. i think they are sooo fricken cool, but whats with the small engine? my honda has more hp than that! torque, maybe not, but still. i thought it would at least have a v6. i like em, for the body style, more than the fj, but in terms of features and all around vehicle, id pick the fj. __________________ 1998 Toyota 4Runner SR5 V6 4x4 in Evergreen Pearl Metallic, Sonoran Steel #1, 285/75R16 BFG A/T, Elocker retrofit, Tundra calipers, brembo blanks, hawk lts pads, CarPC in custom center console with molded Indash touchscreen, KC daylighters mounted on Surco Safari rack, Custom sound system, 4xinnovation sliders, sleeping platform, Shrockworks front bumper, 1" 4crawler body lift, etc. Pictures Photobucket is being updated, if a picture i posted no longer works, please PM me.

08-22-2006, 05:33 PM	#5 (permalink)
gohawks Contributing Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,274	Looks cool, but how is the reliability? Doesn't the saying go when you buy and Land Rover you have to buy a mechanic as well? (something to that effect). Interesting how their seems to be a resurgeance of the Land Rovers. I noticed out west (Utah) there were a lot of Land Rovers and advertisements for them. You almost NEVER see one in Iowa unless you are in West Des Moines. __________________ SERENITY NOW!!

08-22-2006, 06:27 PM	#8 (permalink)
*Corey* Co-Founder/Administrator Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 26,071	It will be in the shop more than the FJ ever would. You could never talk me into driving a non Toyota. Toyota has the reliability hands down. __________________ Corey 2007 FJ Cruiser Built for 4wheelin', expedition, camping, and overlanding use PNW FJ Cruisers ☺ Detailing 101 ☺ Join Topsites ☺ Muffler Comparisons ☺ Maggiolinas In The Wild FJ Cruiser Buildup ☺ New Roof Top Tent ☺ Video Of My Penthouse Part II ☺ Rehinge Your ARB/Engel Fridge Blog About Roof Top Tents ☺ FJC Magazines Online Review Of My Tent ☺ 2009 Specialized Rockhopper Pro

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4runnermt Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 634	I'd still stick with the fj, especially since FORD has its dirty hands in land rover.

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kwikrnu Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Nashville area Tennessee Posts: 173	I'd take that in a heartbeat over the fj cruiser. It looks better and it has a diesel engine.

08-22-2006, 07:55 PM	#11 (permalink)
terryjmatthew Contributing Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Auburn, Al Posts: 1,331	Thought I would weigh in on this one. I drove a Defender 110 TD5 today, and it was probably one of the weakest 4x4's I have ever driven! The LR felt like it had less power than my old 3.slow w/ 32's... Not to mention the fact that it was having internal transmission problems(5 spd) w/ 22K on the odo. The only thing LR still has going for them is their classic looks, and they are getting old after 50+ years. __________________ -Matthew http://www.yotatech.com/f79/terryjma...rofile-103826/ TLCA # 17870

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arjan Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mission, British Columbia Posts: 1,558	Those things have had diesels for eons. A friend of mine was looking at an imported 88 diesel. I've always like them, my grandfather had an "old" one (for that time) back in the '70s. __________________ 2006 4Runner V8 Sports Edition Red 1997 4Runner 3.4L Bushwacker Flares, 5spd, E locker

08-23-2006, 07:20 AM	#15 (permalink)
tony_4runner Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 63	In my quest of buying a manual transmission 4x4 I test drove a new FJ and hated it. The engine and trany felt great, however I think the interior sucks. It feels like driving inside a coffin. It is hard to see back and too large of a blind spot for my liking. Sitting in the back seats feels too dark and trapped. BUT, I still love Yotas..... and I ended up buying a newer 5-speed Runner. __________________ Now: 1999 5-Speed SR5 4Runner Before: 1994 5-Speed SR5 4Runner Then (in Venezuela): 1987 Land Cruiser FJ70 1979 Land Cruiser FJ40 Dad: 1983 Land Cruiser FJ60

08-23-2006, 07:48 AM	#16 (permalink)
*Corey* Co-Founder/Administrator Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 26,071	I guess different strokes for different folk's... The FJ Cruiser is by far the best rig I have ever owned. Blind spot, that cracks me up when people say that. There is none if you are use to driving a cargo van, Corvette, ect, anything that does not have huge windows like other cars, trucks, or SUVs. The interior makes me feel like I am in a space ship about to go into hyperspace/wapr drive. In other words, I love it. Plenty of room, and far more than my 4Runner I traded in. Much more room to stretch out, and more side room too, the passengers are not right on top of you. A diesel might be nice, but remember, diesel is also the most expensive fuel now. The big wig gas companies sucked in all of the big Ford, Dodge, and Chevy owners of these big diesle trucks, and now a lot are regretting it since the fuel is more money. I can hardly go anywhere too without getting a thumbs up or a big gawk coming my way. Before long, you may see these too while out driving. __________________ Corey 2007 FJ Cruiser Built for 4wheelin', expedition, camping, and overlanding use PNW FJ Cruisers ☺ Detailing 101 ☺ Join Topsites ☺ Muffler Comparisons ☺ Maggiolinas In The Wild FJ Cruiser Buildup ☺ New Roof Top Tent ☺ Video Of My Penthouse Part II ☺ Rehinge Your ARB/Engel Fridge Blog About Roof Top Tents ☺ FJC Magazines Online Review Of My Tent ☺ 2009 Specialized Rockhopper Pro

08-23-2006, 03:27 PM	#17 (permalink)
ken.vs.ryu Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 639	diesel is cheaper around my way. i was waiting for the diesel fj also, but i've wanted an lr d110 since 93, the only yr it was available here. they stopped selling the d90 here when airbags were mandatory. the 110 is old now and i can see how it can be considered sluggish. gas and diesel prices - hmm diesel is going up but that should fix itself. http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pe...dcus_nus_w.htm __________________ http://ps3mods.blogspot.com - http://kenvsryu.blogspot.com 1992 X-Cab V6 5sp Manual 215k SR5 :D runnin 31x10.5 17.8mpg :) Last edited by ken.vs.ryu; 08-23-2006 at 03:28 PM.

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terryjmatthew Contributing Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Auburn, Al Posts: 1,331	BTW, the 110 I drove is a 2001. __________________ -Matthew http://www.yotatech.com/f79/terryjma...rofile-103826/ TLCA # 17870

08-23-2006, 11:08 PM	#21 (permalink)
AH64ID Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 4,637	Have you ever driven a D90??? THEY ARE HORRIBLE at best... besides the 4x4 system is not one I would want on a DD, its either AWD or locked, front center rear... i.e. cant drive on snow, ice, turn, etc etc... not something I would ever consider... __________________ -John '05 Dodge 3500 SRW 4x4 SLT 5.9 Cummins QC LB NV5600 2003 SR5 4Runner, V6 4WD. 1" cornfed lift Previous Toyota's '92 Red Truck NALA Speed doesn't kill, its the sudden stop that hurts.

08-24-2006, 06:30 AM	#22 (permalink)
justinh Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: woodstock, ga Posts: 1,505	And new ones haven't been imported since 1994...

08-24-2006, 08:15 AM	#24 (permalink)
X-AWDriver Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Littleton,CO Posts: 10,174	Maybe it has a few optins that make it better off road than the FJ but when you hit the pavement that thing looks ugly with minimal style.............from the '80s. Let's not mention the 120hp which would really suck for any kind of reasonable speed when you hit a hill on the highway. The FJ would be better for around twon and more than adequate on the trails and for the cost of the Rover you probably could buy the wife her own FJ to match yours. __________________ '99 4Runner Highlander 4wd E-locker,rear diff and deckplate mod * 265/75/16 Nitto TerraGrapplers * Yakima Load Warrior rack * clear corners/signals * Tacoma skidplate * Silverstar lamps/fogs Alpine CDA-9831,Bazooka EL Series 250w amp,MTX 10" sub

08-24-2006, 08:48 AM	#25 (permalink)
cackalak han Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Salt Lake Posts: 1,768	Reliability aside, I'd take that Rover in a heart beat over the FJ. The FJC does not do it for me at all. Personally, I don't think Toyota did well on the design (no offense to the FJC owners. It's just my opinion). Anyway, getting OT. I think the Rover looks great. It's got a modern appeal, and kept the classic design. It's a sweet looking rig. Wonder what the gas mileage is with the 2.4L Diesel? I'm guessing it'd be pretty good. __________________ 01 Tacoma DC TRD OR 4x4

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