how can i prove toyota is better than jeep?

Rollindamud · 01-02-2006, 10:04 PM

So...my friends and i got in an argument about who has the better car, they all own jeeps and i of course own a toyota. How can i prove that toyota is a better car. I tried to pull up quality, price for what you pay for, warrenty ect... and all they have to say is that money that they spend on their car goes to america. so what else is there i can get them on???

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stevrock · 01-02-2006, 10:06 PM

Let them figure out that their money gets funnled into daimler chrysler. Let them do it all on their own.

You don't have to prove a toyota is better, the track record speaks for itself.
As long as you're not making the error, don't sweat it.

You only go on the offensive when you have something to hide.

***fustercluck*** · 01-02-2006, 10:07 PM

time always answers this question. Let them fall on their swords.

Bob_98SR5 · 01-02-2006, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rollindamud

and all they have to say is that money that they spend on their car goes to america. so what else is there i can get them on???

you can't argue with stupidity under the guise of patriotism. just let them believe what they believe. but oh, make sure you ask them to surrender every foreign made item (i.e. stereos, clothing, etc) to you so that they stick firm with their principles

ask them about the various foreign owned auto plants in america. do the employee's salaries go to japan, germany, korea, etc too? and if they got job offers from these company/factories, would they not work there because "its not american owned?"

sorry, but your friends are not the sharpest tools in the shed

bob

oly884 · 01-02-2006, 10:23 PM

give them a big thumbs up, and say "glad you care so much!"

Then point out that there are plenty of toyotas made in the USA. Oh, and have them look up where a lot of the parts for their vehicles come from.

ChickenLover · 01-02-2006, 10:26 PM

You don't have to prove it to anyone. Those that matter, already know.

Randomness · 01-02-2006, 10:27 PM

It's a stupid argument in the first place. Prove that you're grown up, and drop it.

***fustercluck*** · 01-02-2006, 10:47 PM

*threadjack on*

Hey Bob, though I struggle to avoid personal sardonicism as a rule, your new avatar makes me laugh everytime I look at it!

*threadjack off*

Yota4runner · 01-02-2006, 11:23 PM

Hmm..park beside them? Done. nuff said. Argument finished.

rosspa75 · 01-03-2006, 01:13 AM

The next time they're Jeep is stuck and needs a tow, just tell them that according to them you're Toyota isn't up to the task.

**waskillywabbit** · 01-03-2006, 04:27 AM

If you argue with an idiot you become one. Jeep is made by Chrysler...that is all you need to know.

Intrepid · 01-03-2006, 05:14 AM

As much as I love to harass jeep owners (my brother is one of them) I really don't care either way, as long as they wheel the hell out of it. I have pulled out plenty of jeeps but just last night I got stuck pretty bad and was pulled out by a jeep (no pics, I forgot my camera at home). Let it go, prove yourself and your vehicle on the trail. Talk is cheap.

BTW, I was told this weekend that 4runners are still made only in Japan, while Tacomas are made here, I geuss my tacoma is better than your 4runner you commie pig!

northfacer581 · 01-03-2006, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by rosspa75

The next time they're Jeep is stuck and needs a tow, just tell them that according to them you're Toyota isn't up to the task.

bingo.

Cape yota · 01-03-2006, 05:56 AM

Remind them that the same company that builds jeeps also builds the PT Cruiser...

Intrepid · 01-03-2006, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Cape yota

Remind them that the same company that builds jeeps also builds the PT Cruiser...

Then refer to their vehicles as PT Cruisers all the time.

JHupp · 01-03-2006, 07:09 AM

I forget where it was but there was a picture of the a ss end of jeep completely underwater, funny picture that might do it. Or one of my freidns used to have a taco that had a bumper sticker that said "I Understand the whole jeep thing, thats why I drive a Toyota", as kind of a comeback to "It's a jeep thing"

HOJU · 01-03-2006, 07:21 AM

"Never argue with an Idiot, they'll drag you down to they're level then beat you with experience."

Jeeps are a lot better than some other brands out there, just remember that out of the dealership, Toyota's have better angles, ground clearence, etc... and in my experience, Jeeps HAVE to be built. I've got a bunch of buddies that work at MEPCO (jeep central) here in Utah and every one of them will admit that a jeep is nothing without the $1000's of dollars they have to put in them...

I probably should add that most of the time, It's the brains behind the wheel that decideds whether or not it's a better trail rig

Rollindamud · 01-03-2006, 07:35 AM

i love arguing.

freshman · 01-03-2006, 08:03 AM

Toyota will not turn into becoming the biggest vehicle manufacturer if they dont make good quality in all their products.

You easily get attached to Toyota then hard to detach than any other vehicle you have owned-i guess this only applies to me.

I have a 91 4runner and one guy thought that it is a newer model vehicle! I laugh

Nix_Toy · 01-03-2006, 09:11 AM

Well, Jeeps are a Germany based company now... so your friends argument is kinda pointless. I own both, an 85 Toyota and an 04 Rubicon. I'll agree that overall the Toyota is better... my 98 Tacoma was better than my 85.. The Toyota is comfy, good looking, good on gas, and great offroad. But to the comment where Jeeps HAVE to be built to wheel... well, you're wrong!

-Nick

snap-on · 01-03-2006, 09:27 AM

its like trying to prove god exists... you either belive it or you dont....

Epic Ed · 01-03-2006, 09:49 AM

Toyota's are my favorite, but the argument seems pointless to me, too. Which is "better"? Come on...better at what? Jeep's are plenty capable -- stronger, more powerful engine (especially over the damn 3.slow); shorter wheel base; straight axle. Toyota's are better in some regards, too -- greater storage and cargo capacity; better drive train reliability (overall); more versatile (IMO). Both can be built to exceedingly ridiculous capability and the aftermarket industry for both is abundant.

I have two buddies who have Jeeps. When all of our vehicles were stock, they had rides that were more capable off road. Now, mine can go places where they would need a tow. If they decided to sink more $$ into theirs and go with more lift and ft/rear lockers, they could do stuff I can't. It's just a matter of which vehicle you prefer to dump your hard-earned money into -- they'll both wring you dry. I prefer my 4Runner because I have greater cargo area and it's a more versatile vehicle, overall, than a Jeep.

Who has the better rig? Only one way to settle it -- on the trail.

Ed

Blair · 01-03-2006, 11:45 AM

How about letting them take yours for a spin?
That's all it took for me to leave MY heap (Cherokee).
Honestly...my Cherokee bit the dust one day, about four years ago. I actually went out to look for another Cherokee (go figure). I wound up taking a 4runner for a spin, at the dealer's insistance, and I have never gone back. When I rolled my two-door I knew I wasn't looking for anything other than another 4runner...got a 4 door this time. And when this one goes, I'll be hitting the lots, looking for another 4runner.
I know we all complain about the 3.0, the price of parts, the fuel burn, etc... but there is nothing like it. Did I mention that they still honour the warranty, after 15 years?!?!?! That alone should make your Jeep friend blush with recognition of their foolish "Nationalistic" pride. Bob says it best...tell 'em to turn over all their Non - USA toys, and try to replace them with something made in North America.

I have this discussion with my wife regularly....she's looking for a new vehicle, I'm trying to get her into a late model 4runner...she wants to buy an American-made product...I remind her we don't live there...we ARE Canadian and Toyota has at least two plants here. Oh...she's a former GM employee...ooops.

Intrepid · 01-03-2006, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nix_Toy

Well, Jeeps are a Germany based company now... so your friends argument is kinda pointless. I own both, an 85 Toyota and an 04 Rubicon. I'll agree that overall the Toyota is better... my 98 Tacoma was better than my 85.. The Toyota is comfy, good looking, good on gas, and great offroad. But to the comment where Jeeps HAVE to be built to wheel... well, you're wrong!

-Nick

They don't have to be built to wheel, you can wheel anything... I think that the Toyota is more capable stock. I wheel with a Rubicon regularly and have wheeled with a couple others randomly. My open/open Taco spanks them, it is sad.

JHupp · 01-03-2006, 12:34 PM

I used to like the warngler's because they were a cheap no frills way to beat the crap out of a truck, that looked like it would hold up. Was actually my first choice before buying a runner. Jeeps, expecially new arent so cheap anymore, 18+ for a decent wrangler? I just wish Toyota, would put out a Runner that was no frills, and extremely base, would compete much better.

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ChickenLover Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NV Posts: 2,583	You don't have to prove it to anyone. Those that matter, already know. __________________ 95 4Runner, 3VZE , 141k, 4WD, Auto. (Head gaskets replaced at 106k)

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oly884 Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,703	give them a big thumbs up, and say "glad you care so much!" Then point out that there are plenty of toyotas made in the USA. Oh, and have them look up where a lot of the parts for their vehicles come from.

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Intrepid Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ashburnham, MA Posts: 2,711	As much as I love to harass jeep owners (my brother is one of them) I really don't care either way, as long as they wheel the hell out of it. I have pulled out plenty of jeeps but just last night I got stuck pretty bad and was pulled out by a jeep (no pics, I forgot my camera at home). Let it go, prove yourself and your vehicle on the trail. Talk is cheap. BTW, I was told this weekend that 4runners are still made only in Japan, while Tacomas are made here, I geuss my tacoma is better than your 4runner you commie pig! Last edited by Intrepid; 01-03-2006 at 05:16 AM.

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JHupp Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,159	I forget where it was but there was a picture of the a ss end of jeep completely underwater, funny picture that might do it. Or one of my freidns used to have a taco that had a bumper sticker that said "I Understand the whole jeep thing, thats why I drive a Toyota", as kind of a comeback to "It's a jeep thing" __________________ Jason '06 F250 Super Duty Daily Driver '01 Toyota 4Runner Sport 265/75/16 BFG ATs, OME 881s w/ spacers front, OME 891s rear, SS roll bar, and some other stuff. Out of Commision njttora.com

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HOJU Contributing Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UTAH Posts: 1,278	"Never argue with an Idiot, they'll drag you down to they're level then beat you with experience." Jeeps are a lot better than some other brands out there, just remember that out of the dealership, Toyota's have better angles, ground clearence, etc... and in my experience, Jeeps HAVE to be built. I've got a bunch of buddies that work at MEPCO (jeep central) here in Utah and every one of them will admit that a jeep is nothing without the $1000's of dollars they have to put in them... I probably should add that most of the time, It's the brains behind the wheel that decideds whether or not it's a better trail rig __________________ Allen- "You'll have to speak up, I'm wearing a towel..." Return With Honor Last edited by HOJU; 01-03-2006 at 09:55 AM.

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Rollindamud Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Roanoke/Blacksburg Virginia Posts: 98	i love arguing. __________________ 2000 4Runner Limited 3.4L 4wd, Factory Locker, 265/75/R16 BFG AT KO's, Surco Roof Rack w/ 4 IPF Fogs, 2 Hella 500's up front Wish list: Tundra/OME lift-TJM T-15

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freshman Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 277	Toyota will not turn into becoming the biggest vehicle manufacturer if they dont make good quality in all their products. You easily get attached to Toyota then hard to detach than any other vehicle you have owned-i guess this only applies to me. I have a 91 4runner and one guy thought that it is a newer model vehicle! I laugh

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Nix_Toy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Crestview, Florida Posts: 203	Well, Jeeps are a Germany based company now... so your friends argument is kinda pointless. I own both, an 85 Toyota and an 04 Rubicon. I'll agree that overall the Toyota is better... my 98 Tacoma was better than my 85.. The Toyota is comfy, good looking, good on gas, and great offroad. But to the comment where Jeeps HAVE to be built to wheel... well, you're wrong! -Nick

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snap-on Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: STL MO Posts: 2,382	its like trying to prove god exists... you either belive it or you dont.... __________________ 94 EX cab, 5speed, V6, locked, ARB bar, NWOR headers 92 4runner, auto, V6, OME suspension, Downey headers

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Epic Ed Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 654	Toyota's are my favorite, but the argument seems pointless to me, too. Which is "better"? Come on...better at what? Jeep's are plenty capable -- stronger, more powerful engine (especially over the damn 3.slow); shorter wheel base; straight axle. Toyota's are better in some regards, too -- greater storage and cargo capacity; better drive train reliability (overall); more versatile (IMO). Both can be built to exceedingly ridiculous capability and the aftermarket industry for both is abundant. I have two buddies who have Jeeps. When all of our vehicles were stock, they had rides that were more capable off road. Now, mine can go places where they would need a tow. If they decided to sink more $$ into theirs and go with more lift and ft/rear lockers, they could do stuff I can't. It's just a matter of which vehicle you prefer to dump your hard-earned money into -- they'll both wring you dry. I prefer my 4Runner because I have greater cargo area and it's a more versatile vehicle, overall, than a Jeep. Who has the better rig? Only one way to settle it -- on the trail. Ed __________________ '95 4Runner\|32x11.5 BFG TA KOs\|Hi-flow Cat\|Dynomax muffler; 2.25" exhaust\| Downey Headers\|4.88 gears \|Detroit EZ locker \|Detroit TruTrack\|BJ spacers\|Downey HD coils\|2" rear spring spacers\|Rancho RS9000X/RS5000s\|WARN hubs\|TJM T15

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Blair Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The rolling hills of Cavan, Ontario Posts: 737	How about letting them take yours for a spin? That's all it took for me to leave MY heap (Cherokee). Honestly...my Cherokee bit the dust one day, about four years ago. I actually went out to look for another Cherokee (go figure). I wound up taking a 4runner for a spin, at the dealer's insistance, and I have never gone back. When I rolled my two-door I knew I wasn't looking for anything other than another 4runner...got a 4 door this time. And when this one goes, I'll be hitting the lots, looking for another 4runner. I know we all complain about the 3.0, the price of parts, the fuel burn, etc... but there is nothing like it. Did I mention that they still honour the warranty, after 15 years?!?!?! That alone should make your Jeep friend blush with recognition of their foolish "Nationalistic" pride. Bob says it best...tell 'em to turn over all their Non - USA toys, and try to replace them with something made in North America. I have this discussion with my wife regularly....she's looking for a new vehicle, I'm trying to get her into a late model 4runner...she wants to buy an American-made product...I remind her we don't live there...we ARE Canadian and Toyota has at least two plants here. Oh...she's a former GM employee...ooops. __________________ 91 4Runner, 5 spd, with the Mighty 3.0! 0 to 60 in 2.5 liters.

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JHupp Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,159	I used to like the warngler's because they were a cheap no frills way to beat the crap out of a truck, that looked like it would hold up. Was actually my first choice before buying a runner. Jeeps, expecially new arent so cheap anymore, 18+ for a decent wrangler? I just wish Toyota, would put out a Runner that was no frills, and extremely base, would compete much better. __________________ Jason '06 F250 Super Duty Daily Driver '01 Toyota 4Runner Sport 265/75/16 BFG ATs, OME 881s w/ spacers front, OME 891s rear, SS roll bar, and some other stuff. Out of Commision njttora.com

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