horror at Rowher Flats ***NEED HELP*** - Page 2

ocdropzone · 06-04-2007, 02:02 PM

I can't lend a hand (am in Oregon) but since it is going to be such a long pull consider purchasing several straps that you can loop together (daisy chaining), the quality ones not the cheapo jobs with the metal hooks. Hopefully someone has got a snatch block for the winch. Check out a suprlus shop too. I used to have a 120' strap that was used for Airborne drops (humvees and arty guns) it was rated at 30K. it was 4 - 11/4" straps sewn together (layered) with loops on each end. As the truck gets up higher, remove a strap as you go. Switch out the winching truck as you go so each winch has time to cool--etc.

Good thoughts about the fire danger...have shovels etc. Saw your post on ttora...bummer about the pissing contest with surfingdrunk...seem you were frustrated, rightly so...Good luck and post recover pic..
PS thankful to the BigGuy upstairs no body got seriously screwed up..

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dlbrunner · 06-04-2007, 04:13 PM

Time is essential.

Plenty of idiots out there that will trash the vehicle worse than it is, or even steal stuff off of it.

Good luck

Expat · 06-04-2007, 08:59 PM

Damn I wish I could help ya. I could get the time off work no problem but I haven't put in my winch yet. Damn! Sorry. Hope you get it sorted.

111db · 06-05-2007, 07:04 AM

Bummer. Good news though: that sheet'll buff out.

funrunner91 · 06-05-2007, 10:34 AM

got it out, thanks to bruceTS and Calrocks. they are very honerable people and we own so much to them.

http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum...t=71038&page=2

Rock Slide · 06-05-2007, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by funrunner91

got it out, thanks to bruceTS and Calrocks. they are very honerable people and we own so much to them.

http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum...t=71038&page=2

That's good to hear.

What are his plans with the 4Runner now? Will insurance cover it or is he taking another route with it?

ocdropzone · 06-05-2007, 03:48 PM

Hope you don't mind be me posting the recovery post from ttora...just a long thread to find the good stuff. Glad you got it out and all...Good effort and team work by all involved...

Quote:

Originally Posted by BruceTS

I guess I pissed off the park ranger, he came out and remarked "Your gonna pull it out with that little rope?" Then he tried to intimidate me by asking for credentials, I mearly went on with the process and Vince had a long converastion with him, with threats of citations etc.....guess he got pissed he didn't get his kickback from a $2500 quote from a tow service he recommended. Needless to say he sat at the bottom as we pulled the truck out.

Before Charles showed up to lend a helping hand I had already pulled the 4Runner down the slot to the area where the extraction took place. the photo below is after we had pulled the rig past the tough part. I had Charles winchline through the top to insure it wouldn't rollover, due to both down hill tires were off their beads and no way to swap them out.

The 4Runner was originally further down, out of sight. I actually got lucky when I first set-up, banked on it rolling down hill once I started the angle pull, it did just that, rolling back about 35' and ended up exactly where I needed it. It took every tow strap and all my line just to reach, I would have loved to had snatch blocked it, but it was just too far away. An ATV was recently stuck at that location, so all the brush had been cleared for it's extraction.

Here's Charles acting as the brake man bringing it down the hill, one of the electronic boxes got torn apart, preventing us from getting it running.

Finally got it to the highway, where I waited til his buddy showed up with a tow dolly. It surprised me how well the roof held up after rolling over around 10 times.

As for why this happened is simple, he was using his brakes comming down hill, eventually boiling the fluid in the calipers, causing total brake loss.

funrunner91 · 06-05-2007, 10:30 PM

here is a vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksSlXLbzfbI

4Hummer · 06-06-2007, 06:58 AM

Great Job on the Recovery Guys. Very professional !

Its always good to see Toyota's owners helping out Toyota owners (Who needs a jeep)

Truck doesnt look so bad... I can remember when mine looked something like that !

Mason Dixon · 06-06-2007, 12:12 PM

I'm surprised there isn't more damage to the roof, like a busted sunrood, and the rack all mangled up

drew303 · 06-06-2007, 01:23 PM

Damn glad the guys came out unscathed. My cousin rolled his 4runner (2dn gen) in those hills 5 or 6 years ago and came out unscathed but his runner was way more mangled than that. Wow so lucky

No ones really touched on what to do in a brake failure situation like this. Forgive me if I sound like the devils advocat here but I think this is important.

Was that runner a manual or an auto? What about the 'parking' brake?

I've actually put my truck through a few simulated tests offroading. Don't wait for something to happen to learn how to react to it. Whilst up in the mountains I try to safely simulate different emergencies. One being brake failure on a steep downward road. Essentially stop using your brakes and react. The parking brake is cable actuated so requires no fluid (sorry if i sound like im talkn to a 3yr old =P) Wrench on it to hard you're gonna lock up the rears and probably crash real quick. If you can react quickly enough, drop the tranny into the lowest gear you can crush it into and grab that parking brake. You'd be surprised you can actually get the truck stopped or slowed down to a safe speed that you can control.

However, backing up, if you're in a downward decent you should ultimately have control over the trucks speed almost entirely with the gas pedal and the transmission. If you are controlling the speed with the brakes a lone odds are you're in to high of a gear. In the rare event the brakes give out you're going to pick up speed much much quicker than you might anticipate.

Bottom line you gotta be quick. This kind of stuff kinda comes instinctually after you go through any kind of aviation training. The only thing you train for is emergencies by simulating every possible situation you 'might' get into.

Something to think about the next time you offroad.

Other things you might consider before you're next trip:

- Secure ALL things in the cab. EVERYTHING. Anything that someone could grab and crack you in the head with. SECURE IT. In a rollover like this you could easily be seriously injured by something not secured in the cab. Heh, a digital camera to the temple I cant imagine being a good thing!

-If you can coast down a hill in a gear, do it. Brakes first and foremost are there to stop the vehicle not to keep it a speed; that, the engine can do. =)

-It's also important to secure items outside the vehicle (say in your pickup bed). Besides laws having heavy penalties on state highways for items that might 'fly off or out' of the vehicle it can pretty dangerous when you're offroading and you roll or hit a bump and stuff flies out.

*** I figure this is worth a mention to since I've seen it a lot. I know a lot of people who don't use their seatbelt once they hit the dirt. I for one don't use it when I'm crawling in non-steep or cliff like situations. Being jarred around at 5mph on some rocks n logs you learn real quick where you're kidneys are !!! However, I can't stress enough using it in every other situation. When you cant step out of the vehicle when its moving (crawling) then its crucial you strap that thing on. IT does save lives.

Also, don't think you can 'jump' out before a rollover...

Those are the first things that come to mind before I set out on any trip, be it driving to work or a trip to the mountains for some camping.

Get out there and practice, do it in a safe environment. have fun =)

06-04-2007, 04:13 PM	#27 (permalink)
dlbrunner Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: phoenix Posts: 1,141	Time is essential. Plenty of idiots out there that will trash the vehicle worse than it is, or even steal stuff off of it. Good luck __________________ Duncan -------------------------------------------------- Current: 95 4X4 SR5 V6, Yakima tracks/rack installed. Aisin hubs. Sonoran Steel IFS Truss. Cobra CB(finally!) Desired: 66 FJ45 shorty EX's: 89 4X4 V6 Downey'd 72 FJ40 W 350/SM465 powertrax, "Billy"

06-04-2007, 08:59 PM	#28 (permalink)
Expat Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Agoura Hills, CA Posts: 459	Damn I wish I could help ya. I could get the time off work no problem but I haven't put in my winch yet. Damn! Sorry. Hope you get it sorted. __________________ Mark 04 4Runner SE, 17x9 MT ClassicLocks, 305x17x70 Nitto Terragraps., SW Sliders & Bullbar, Smittybilt 10000lb winch, OME Susp, 1.5" 4Crawler BL, Kurt Trailing Arms, MagnaFlow, 60" High Lift, Cobra 75WXST CB radio, 4ft Firestick, Yaesu FT-7800 2m/70cm Ham Radio, Comet Dualband Ant., Sat. Radio, Garmin Nuvi GPS, CO2 system, Lightforce 240 Blitz, Surco roofrack, Downey Frt skid

06-05-2007, 07:04 AM	#29 (permalink)
111db Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Mesa AZ Posts: 1,215	Bummer. Good news though: that sheet'll buff out. __________________ Jon *97 4Runner 3.4 4.88's * ARB Lockers F/R * ARB compressor * Sonoran Steel numba 1 * 285 BFG AT/KO * TJM 17 * BudBuilt Skids * Stubbs Sliders & BBQ sauce * Irbis out back * Various Electronic Gadgets**

06-05-2007, 10:34 AM	#30 (permalink)
funrunner91 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Orange, CA Posts: 339	got it out, thanks to bruceTS and Calrocks. they are very honerable people and we own so much to them. http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum...t=71038&page=2 __________________ 1991 4runner, BFG's Mudd 32's, 2 inch body lift, ball joint spacers, 2 inch rear coil spacers, fender trimed down, OME shock all the way around, rancho stabilizer, sliders, manual hubs, sirius radio and TV, and a blown 3.0 engine 2003 discovery SE7, quick disconnects, 3 inch lift, 245/75/16's, TV package, this bad boy has done more than my runner has ever done stock

06-06-2007, 06:58 AM	#34 (permalink)
4Hummer Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,975	Great Job on the Recovery Guys. Very professional ! Its always good to see Toyota's owners helping out Toyota owners (Who needs a jeep) Truck doesnt look so bad... I can remember when mine looked something like that ! __________________ Michael 1991 4Runner 22RE. CHOP www.obsessiveoffroadclub.com Last edited by 4Hummer; 06-06-2007 at 06:59 AM.

06-06-2007, 12:12 PM	#35 (permalink)
Mason Dixon Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Huntsville, Alabama Posts: 797	I'm surprised there isn't more damage to the roof, like a busted sunrood, and the rack all mangled up __________________ http://www.sectalk.com/images/graphi...ds/alabama.gif 2000 4Runner SR5 4x4 Sport

06-06-2007, 01:23 PM	#36 (permalink)
drew303 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 2,032	Damn glad the guys came out unscathed. My cousin rolled his 4runner (2dn gen) in those hills 5 or 6 years ago and came out unscathed but his runner was way more mangled than that. Wow so lucky No ones really touched on what to do in a brake failure situation like this. Forgive me if I sound like the devils advocat here but I think this is important. Was that runner a manual or an auto? What about the 'parking' brake? I've actually put my truck through a few simulated tests offroading. Don't wait for something to happen to learn how to react to it. Whilst up in the mountains I try to safely simulate different emergencies. One being brake failure on a steep downward road. Essentially stop using your brakes and react. The parking brake is cable actuated so requires no fluid (sorry if i sound like im talkn to a 3yr old =P) Wrench on it to hard you're gonna lock up the rears and probably crash real quick. If you can react quickly enough, drop the tranny into the lowest gear you can crush it into and grab that parking brake. You'd be surprised you can actually get the truck stopped or slowed down to a safe speed that you can control. However, backing up, if you're in a downward decent you should ultimately have control over the trucks speed almost entirely with the gas pedal and the transmission. If you are controlling the speed with the brakes a lone odds are you're in to high of a gear. In the rare event the brakes give out you're going to pick up speed much much quicker than you might anticipate. Bottom line you gotta be quick. This kind of stuff kinda comes instinctually after you go through any kind of aviation training. The only thing you train for is emergencies by simulating every possible situation you 'might' get into. Something to think about the next time you offroad. Other things you might consider before you're next trip: - Secure ALL things in the cab. EVERYTHING. Anything that someone could grab and crack you in the head with. SECURE IT. In a rollover like this you could easily be seriously injured by something not secured in the cab. Heh, a digital camera to the temple I cant imagine being a good thing! -If you can coast down a hill in a gear, do it. Brakes first and foremost are there to stop the vehicle not to keep it a speed; that, the engine can do. =) -It's also important to secure items outside the vehicle (say in your pickup bed). Besides laws having heavy penalties on state highways for items that might 'fly off or out' of the vehicle it can pretty dangerous when you're offroading and you roll or hit a bump and stuff flies out. *** I figure this is worth a mention to since I've seen it a lot. I know a lot of people who don't use their seatbelt once they hit the dirt. I for one don't use it when I'm crawling in non-steep or cliff like situations. Being jarred around at 5mph on some rocks n logs you learn real quick where you're kidneys are !!! However, I can't stress enough using it in every other situation. When you cant step out of the vehicle when its moving (crawling) then its crucial you strap that thing on. IT does save lives. Also, don't think you can 'jump' out before a rollover... Those are the first things that come to mind before I set out on any trip, be it driving to work or a trip to the mountains for some camping. Get out there and practice, do it in a safe environment. have fun =) __________________ 1987 Pickup, single cab, 22R, new head, 260 cam TG 3" SAS, rear disc brakes, chromoly rear axles, Chromoly Birfs, Tcase brake, 37x12.50R15 MT/Rs, 5.29 gears, rear Aussie Locker, front Detroit Truetrac. Last edited by drew303; 06-06-2007 at 01:31 PM.

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