Gun? SAR-1

AFRunner · 12-25-2003, 09:44 PM

Anyone own one? Iv'e always liked AK-47's, have shot a Russian one, but never newer ones. I want one that will except hi-caps. From most of my research, these seem to be about as good as it gets for under $600. I can get one for around $300 brand new, but would like some first-hand experience feedback. Thanks
Aaron

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Napoleon047 · 12-25-2003, 09:53 PM

my buddies and i used to experiment with cheap SKS's that we would pick up for about $100. usually the stocks were split, so we replaced them with synthetic ones, sometimes folding. we bought 30 rd mags, muzzle brakes, etc. even a few "mods" of our own

to ummm make them fire faster or something...cant exactly remember, its been awhile

anyway, parts for them are cheap and plentiful. so when we were done dicking around, we could swap parts and have a good hunting rifle, scoped and all.

AFRunner · 12-25-2003, 10:13 PM

Yeah SKS's are cheap and plentiful, played with several of them as well, I just really like the AK's: action, look, reliability.

Bob_98SR5 · 12-25-2003, 10:22 PM

aaron,

depends on what you want out of an AK. there are many variants and you're lucky you don't live in Kalifornia---you have way more options living in SC. if you're looking for accuracy, look elsewhere. but there are variants with heavy barrels that will improve accuracy but nothing close to an AR-15 HBAR.

i own a mak-90, thanks to the LA Riots and the assault weapons ban. its a chinese copy of an ak-47. its not as accurate as my friend's AR-15, but nothing beats the reliability (thanks to crappy tolerances). this thing has NEVER jammed even w/ crappy Wolf ammo.

i modified it with a Choate synthetic stock which took off 1lb and gave it better balance. last year, i added a Ultimak gas tube picantilly (sp?) rail which allowed me to add a red dot scope.

http://4runners.org/images/random/mak/

If you are set on buying an AK variant, definitely read up and post at www.ak-47.net. that forum is very well moderated and the people there are very professional.

One question: why not an AR-15? because its of american origin, your accessory options are wide open. Because of the assault weapons ban, foreign made AK parts are eventually going to be scarce. and then you're a serviceman, might as well use what your other fellow servicemen are using too.

If I could buy an AR-15, i'd jump on it right now. it is lighter in weight, far more accurate than my MAK will ever be, and again, the number of accessories is greater in number (vendors).

Bob

AFRunner · 12-25-2003, 10:29 PM

I'll add an AR-15 eventually, but at double the price the AK will come first. I have just always loved the way AK's look. And for reliability they really can't be beat. I just use most of my guns to go to the range and have fun, so I don't need anything that is going to shoot dimes at 100 yard, just something cheap and fun to shoot. I have my defense weapons already, just buying fun stuff now. Thanks Bob, by the way, how do you like that tasco, I've got the cheap BSA 30MM on my 9mm carbine right now, but would like to find another, though I'm leaning toward a 4X red dot that cdnninvestments.com has for about 45 bucks right now.
Oh-yeah ak-net is were I have done a good chunk of my reasearch.

Bob_98SR5 · 12-25-2003, 10:41 PM

AF,

From what I've read, the BSA and Tasco aren't too far apart in terms of capability and quality. In fact, I was looking at both when I was selecting a red dot and only chose the Tasco b/c i got it for about $22 on ebay (gotta love ebay).

I can't recall, but do SARs have milled receivers? if i recall correctly, the SARs are modified AKs with some american made parts.

You know speaking of milled vs. stamped, I've shot both and the only difference i could tell is that the milled receivers are heavier. my shot groups weren't significantly better w/ the milled which reinforces my belief in the addage that "its not the wand, its the magician"

oh, check out ACE LTD stocks and parts kits. one day i'm gonna buy their stuff.

Bob

Hyperlite · 12-26-2003, 01:17 AM

AR-15 is a nice addition to any gun collection. I know a gun collecter that ended up with an US Military M-4 with a sawed off barrel and colapsable stock. That gun would not shoot strait and would frequently jam when set on burst or auto.
The handgrip of the M16 rifle is made by Mattel. the M-16, manufactured by the Colt Firearms Corporation, developed a reputation for unreliability, frequently jamming and fouling. You will never have a problem with a Kalashnikov

I own a Winchester 12 guage pump, old Springfield Armory 30/40 Kraig model 1898 rifle and a .22 rifle. I want to get a "varment gun" but I am not sure which one I would like. I was considering a mini 30 or mini 14 or even a SKS. Which of these guns do you guys recomend.

data · 12-26-2003, 05:22 AM

I used to own an AK-47. I paid around $275 for it brand new. It also came with 40rd magazine. I don't remember what country it came from, but it was nice for the price. I never had a problem with it, except for the fact that it wasn't that accurate. If you want an assualt rifle, I'd go with an AR-15. Take a look at Bushmaster. www.bushmaster.com I bought my AR from bushmaster and I've never had a single problem with it. I paid $850 brand new for it. It is very accurate. http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/pcwa3s20.asp

Or if you can get your dealer to order you one you should check out
www.gunsamerica.com You can find some pretty good deals on there.

Have fun!

data · 12-26-2003, 05:27 AM

Quote:

I own a Winchester 12 guage pump, old Springfield Armory 30/40 Kraig model 1898 rifle and a .22 rifle. I want to get a "varmint gun" but I am not sure which one I would like. I was considering a mini 30 or mini 14 or even a SKS. Which of these guns do you guys recomend.

Personally I would not recommend a Ruger mini 14 or 30, due to the fact that the barrel is rather small and it will lose accuracy rather quickly after firing a few shots. Sure you can buy an aftermarket bull barrel for it, but why not just put that cash toward an AR15

That'd be your ticket for a nice, accurate varmint gun

http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/lr-24v.asp

One can be had on www.gunsamerica.com for under $950 I believe. They are a really nice weapon. Very accurate. I think you'd like it.

Vegas4Runner · 12-26-2003, 08:21 AM

This is the one I own, Bulgarian SLR-95. I have the one with the muzzle brake and bipod. I bought it from a friend for $400 about 3 years ago and he gave me about 5 bricks of ammo, 5 30-round magazines, 1 75-round drum and 2 5-round magazines. It also came with two dust covers, a normal one and one that has an integrated scope mount.

It's extremely accurate, LOUD and has a nice recoil. The empty shells eject like 10 feet away (forward and to the right). Shooting this rifle is a blast. Spend about 5 minutes loading the 75 round drum and blast it off in less than a minute. The barrel does get HOT and mine has been known to leave a few unlucky hands blistered. I haven't had any malfunctions whatsoever, even after going through over 1000 rounds without cleaning or lubing it in a single day.

The 5-round magazine is perfect for going coyote hunting (which is why I bought it, plus my friend needed some cash). I've seen a couple here in Las Vegas for sale for around $600 in the last month or so.

Bob_98SR5 · 12-26-2003, 09:04 AM

Quote:

the M-16, manufactured by the Colt Firearms Corporation, developed a reputation for unreliability, frequently jamming and fouling. You will never have a problem with a Kalashnikov

The early M16s had that bad rep in Vietnam due to crappy propellant powder in the bullets themselves. They are now just as reliable, provided the user keeps it clean due to the tighter tolerances than an AK.

I'd have to agree w/ Danny: Bushmasters are great guns. my friend has a Bushy. Quality stuff, but as you said, they are not cheap.

Vegas, those Bulgies are nice. However, if you really want to change the feel of your rifle, change out the furniture. Those sporter stocks are way too cumbersome. Also, as I'm sure you know, your muzzle brake is why your gun is LOUD!

Bob

yotafool · 12-26-2003, 09:22 AM

ya after highschool im joining the marines and cant wait to fire my first M16-A2, ya the model that was supposedly was the M16-A1 but as bob pointed out they have been greatly improved. The marines talked about switching to the M4-A1 Colt but choosed not to because they are not as accurate at long distances. It would be pretty cool also to shoot an M14, extremely acurate, its what Marines Force Recon snipers use.

AFRunner · 12-26-2003, 09:25 AM

Our armory just got some new M4s. The TAC-P guys hate them, the SP's(cops)love them, said they are dead on. I've got short arms, so the AK's just tend to fit me well. As far as the furniture, I still like the old style wood.
Aaron

phosho · 12-26-2003, 09:38 AM

It will cost you but the quality is second to none.Check out the Arsenal SAM-7. There is a reason why the Kalashnikov and its varients are used by the militarys of over 100 countrys. Reliability! Sand, water, frozen, buried, it dont matter a quality AK will out perform a jammomatic (AR-15) anyday.The sar 1's are cheap romanian rifles put together of various surplus parts with a stamped reciever. It still has the reliable design of the kalashnikov but its also imported and you will run into legality issues for mods or hi-cap magazines. Do your homework and you will hear nothing but great things about this rifle and its "Made in the USA!" I got the SAM-7s. Its worth the extra few bucks for the scope options.

http://www.arsenalinc.com/index1.html

p.s. read the small arms review article on the link

yotafool · 12-26-2003, 09:51 AM

ya i talked to my cousin who's based in camp lejeune and he said the marines never wanted to part from their M16A2's for an M4. But the people that use M249 para light machine gun dont have that problem lol. thats just a wicked looking gun.

AFRunner · 12-26-2003, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by phosho
It will cost you but the quality is second to none.Check out the Arsenal SAM-7. There is a reason why the Kalashnikov and its varients are used by the militarys of over 100 countrys. Reliability! Sand, water, frozen, buried, it dont matter a quality AK will out perform a jammomatic (AR-15) anyday.The sar 1's are cheap romanian rifles put together of various surplus parts with a stamped reciever. It still has the reliable design of the kalashnikov but its also imported and you will run into legality issues for mods or hi-cap magazines. Do your homework and you will hear nothing but great things about this rifle and its "Made in the USA!" I got the SAM-7s. Its worth the extra few bucks for the scope options.

http://www.arsenalinc.com/index1.html

p.s. read the small arms review article on the link

The SAR's have enough US parts to use the hi-caps legally. Due the SAM's except hi-caps? Those do look nice, but like I said, this will fall into my fun gun category. Its much easier to get $300 dollars worth of forgiveness than $800 if you know what I mean.

UNLIMITED96 · 12-26-2003, 07:54 PM

i have a ak-47 & love it,
paid like $ 350.00 with 2 30 round clips & 1000 rounds of ammo
@ a gun show.
wait till the last day & most guys will give you a smokin deal.
it's a kick too shoot

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...64396593AwVDYI

good luck

eric

AFRunner · 12-26-2003, 08:25 PM

How you liking the hi-point Eric? I've had mine for about 6 months, put a thousand or so rounds through. I think its a hoot, everytime I go to the range people ask about it and want to shoot it. For the money I dont know if it can be beat. The Kel-tec's look nice, but I don't know if they are worth the extra 100 bucks. I would like to get one of their SU-16

AZTOY · 12-28-2003, 05:55 PM

The SAR-1 are great guns. Cheap ammo and you can get high cap mag for arond 10 bucks

. Just make sure the front sight is straight on the SAR-1. Also the Yugo SKS are nice gun too.

BUY ONE, YOU WILL LOVE IT!!

98limitednewbie · 12-28-2003, 10:36 PM

I have owned a SAR-2 (AK-74) for a couple years and I love it. Same design as the SAR-1 but different calibur. Its great for plinking and pretty decent on 300 plus yards considering its an AK. But this is from a bench and with a scope. There are plenty of accessories for it, like scope rails, cheap mags, mag. drums, synthetic stocks..

But if you are looking for an really accurate AK, look into something called the VEPR II. Made by Robison Arms (do a quick search on google) and you'll see how its different. Basically same design, but milled to tight tolerences. Best part about them is they come in different caliburs. 5.45 x 39mm, 7.62x39mm, and 7.62x51mm (the same as .308 winchester). While I do not own a VEPR II, it on my wish list. Can you imagine a .308 calibur assault rifle, w/ a NV scope. Dude Scary!!!

BruceTS · 01-03-2004, 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hyperlite
AR-15 is a nice addition to any gun collection. I know a gun collecter that ended up with an US Military M-4 with a sawed off barrel and colapsable stock. That gun would not shoot strait and would frequently jam when set on burst or auto.
The handgrip of the M16 rifle is made by Mattel. the M-16, manufactured by the Colt Firearms Corporation, developed a reputation for unreliability, frequently jamming and fouling. You will never have a problem with a Kalashnikov
.

The M-16 series of weapons are among the best firearms in the world. The original version was very reliable til the propellant was changed, which caused excessive fouling. That problem was quickly fixed, but unfortunately it had gotten a bad reputation that to this day people keep repeating. I have fired just about every version that was made, as long as it was assembled properly they never jam.

If you know someone with a M-4 and it has a "sawed off" barrel I can fully understand why it won't shoot straight. You can't simply cut the end of a barrel off a rifle and expect it to be accurate. The barrel need to be machined off and then "crowned".

Before the gun laws changed I had built, modified and repaired my fair share of AR series weapons, my personal AR-15 will hold a 5 shot 1/4 inch group at a 100 yds.

cruizin01 · 01-03-2004, 07:39 AM

I dont mean to go OT here, but how do you know what guns are currently legal/illegal or is it just the trigg mech. thats used in each one? Hope I dont sound to dumb

AFRunner · 01-03-2004, 07:50 AM

AK-47.net is a good place to find legal info on AK style weapons

If you scroll down this index page to the law listings, you will find some good info including the BATF site.
http://www.packing.org/resources/

jgs9455 · 01-03-2004, 10:44 PM

I love my AK. I have 10rd, 30rd & 40rd mags. I hope to add a 75rd drum. It's fun and cheap to shoot.

It's a real Russian manufactured Siaga that's been modified back to original spec by AK-USA. I highly recommend them over some of the other cheap pos that are out there.
http://www.ak-103.com/

I plan on adding a Bushmaster .223 AR-15 and a Springfield .308 M1A, but for now I'll enjoy my 7.62x39mm!

toy283 · 01-04-2004, 01:06 AM

My favorite is a Galil. Take an AK-47, refine it a little by getting rid of all the stamped steel parts and rechamber it to 5.56 NATO (.223) and 7.62 NATO (.308):

Used to have one (5.56) until about a year ago. Wish I'd never have sold it but it did pay for some badly needed truck parts whan I had no other cash.

12-25-2003, 09:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
Napoleon047 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 995	my buddies and i used to experiment with cheap SKS's that we would pick up for about $100. usually the stocks were split, so we replaced them with synthetic ones, sometimes folding. we bought 30 rd mags, muzzle brakes, etc. even a few "mods" of our own to ummm make them fire faster or something...cant exactly remember, its been awhile anyway, parts for them are cheap and plentiful. so when we were done dicking around, we could swap parts and have a good hunting rifle, scoped and all. __________________ -Peter 86 4runner SAS - Trail Rig 94 FZJ80 - DD the dirt cheap SAS Marko Customs

12-25-2003, 10:13 PM	#3 (permalink)
AFRunner Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 447	Yeah SKS's are cheap and plentiful, played with several of them as well, I just really like the AK's: action, look, reliability. __________________ 2007 Tacoma DC 4WD TRD In Germany. Haven't been here since I got rid of the last Runner in 2005. Glad to be back in 'yota's.

12-25-2003, 10:22 PM	#4 (permalink)
Bob_98SR5 Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,092	aaron, depends on what you want out of an AK. there are many variants and you're lucky you don't live in Kalifornia---you have way more options living in SC. if you're looking for accuracy, look elsewhere. but there are variants with heavy barrels that will improve accuracy but nothing close to an AR-15 HBAR. i own a mak-90, thanks to the LA Riots and the assault weapons ban. its a chinese copy of an ak-47. its not as accurate as my friend's AR-15, but nothing beats the reliability (thanks to crappy tolerances). this thing has NEVER jammed even w/ crappy Wolf ammo. i modified it with a Choate synthetic stock which took off 1lb and gave it better balance. last year, i added a Ultimak gas tube picantilly (sp?) rail which allowed me to add a red dot scope. http://4runners.org/images/random/mak/ If you are set on buying an AK variant, definitely read up and post at www.ak-47.net. that forum is very well moderated and the people there are very professional. One question: why not an AR-15? because its of american origin, your accessory options are wide open. Because of the assault weapons ban, foreign made AK parts are eventually going to be scarce. and then you're a serviceman, might as well use what your other fellow servicemen are using too. If I could buy an AR-15, i'd jump on it right now. it is lighter in weight, far more accurate than my MAK will ever be, and again, the number of accessories is greater in number (vendors). Bob Last edited by Bob_98SR5; 12-25-2003 at 10:29 PM.

12-25-2003, 10:29 PM	#5 (permalink)
AFRunner Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 447	I'll add an AR-15 eventually, but at double the price the AK will come first. I have just always loved the way AK's look. And for reliability they really can't be beat. I just use most of my guns to go to the range and have fun, so I don't need anything that is going to shoot dimes at 100 yard, just something cheap and fun to shoot. I have my defense weapons already, just buying fun stuff now. Thanks Bob, by the way, how do you like that tasco, I've got the cheap BSA 30MM on my 9mm carbine right now, but would like to find another, though I'm leaning toward a 4X red dot that cdnninvestments.com has for about 45 bucks right now. Oh-yeah ak-net is were I have done a good chunk of my reasearch. __________________ 2007 Tacoma DC 4WD TRD In Germany. Haven't been here since I got rid of the last Runner in 2005. Glad to be back in 'yota's.

12-25-2003, 10:41 PM	#6 (permalink)
Bob_98SR5 Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,092	AF, From what I've read, the BSA and Tasco aren't too far apart in terms of capability and quality. In fact, I was looking at both when I was selecting a red dot and only chose the Tasco b/c i got it for about $22 on ebay (gotta love ebay). I can't recall, but do SARs have milled receivers? if i recall correctly, the SARs are modified AKs with some american made parts. You know speaking of milled vs. stamped, I've shot both and the only difference i could tell is that the milled receivers are heavier. my shot groups weren't significantly better w/ the milled which reinforces my belief in the addage that "its not the wand, its the magician" oh, check out ACE LTD stocks and parts kits. one day i'm gonna buy their stuff. Bob Last edited by Bob_98SR5; 12-25-2003 at 10:49 PM.

12-26-2003, 01:17 AM	#7 (permalink)
Hyperlite Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Mooresville (Lake Norman) NC Posts: 1,028	AR-15 is a nice addition to any gun collection. I know a gun collecter that ended up with an US Military M-4 with a sawed off barrel and colapsable stock. That gun would not shoot strait and would frequently jam when set on burst or auto. The handgrip of the M16 rifle is made by Mattel. the M-16, manufactured by the Colt Firearms Corporation, developed a reputation for unreliability, frequently jamming and fouling. You will never have a problem with a Kalashnikov I own a Winchester 12 guage pump, old Springfield Armory 30/40 Kraig model 1898 rifle and a .22 rifle. I want to get a "varment gun" but I am not sure which one I would like. I was considering a mini 30 or mini 14 or even a SKS. Which of these guns do you guys recomend. __________________ 97 4Runner Limited front Fox 16" Coilovers 98 BMW M Roadster 69 Bronco Half Cab Last edited by Hyperlite; 12-26-2003 at 01:19 AM.

12-26-2003, 05:22 AM	#8 (permalink)
data Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arkansas Posts: 1,915	I used to own an AK-47. I paid around $275 for it brand new. It also came with 40rd magazine. I don't remember what country it came from, but it was nice for the price. I never had a problem with it, except for the fact that it wasn't that accurate. If you want an assualt rifle, I'd go with an AR-15. Take a look at Bushmaster. www.bushmaster.com I bought my AR from bushmaster and I've never had a single problem with it. I paid $850 brand new for it. It is very accurate. http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/pcwa3s20.asp Or if you can get your dealer to order you one you should check out www.gunsamerica.com You can find some pretty good deals on there. Have fun! __________________ 98 Limited 4x4, Rockstomper skid, Rockware Front bumper, Warn HS9500i, 1" RB BL, Tundra coils front & OME HD rear, Nuke quick discos, diff drop'd, 305/70/16 Baja Claws, Electric Locker, couple of battle scars, but nothing major :)

12-26-2003, 08:21 AM	#10 (permalink)
Vegas4Runner Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15	This is the one I own, Bulgarian SLR-95. I have the one with the muzzle brake and bipod. I bought it from a friend for $400 about 3 years ago and he gave me about 5 bricks of ammo, 5 30-round magazines, 1 75-round drum and 2 5-round magazines. It also came with two dust covers, a normal one and one that has an integrated scope mount. It's extremely accurate, LOUD and has a nice recoil. The empty shells eject like 10 feet away (forward and to the right). Shooting this rifle is a blast. Spend about 5 minutes loading the 75 round drum and blast it off in less than a minute. The barrel does get HOT and mine has been known to leave a few unlucky hands blistered. I haven't had any malfunctions whatsoever, even after going through over 1000 rounds without cleaning or lubing it in a single day. The 5-round magazine is perfect for going coyote hunting (which is why I bought it, plus my friend needed some cash). I've seen a couple here in Las Vegas for sale for around $600 in the last month or so.

12-26-2003, 09:22 AM	#12 (permalink)
yotafool Contributing Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kansas City, KS Posts: 565	ya after highschool im joining the marines and cant wait to fire my first M16-A2, ya the model that was supposedly was the M16-A1 but as bob pointed out they have been greatly improved. The marines talked about switching to the M4-A1 Colt but choosed not to because they are not as accurate at long distances. It would be pretty cool also to shoot an M14, extremely acurate, its what Marines Force Recon snipers use. __________________ Jake Miller (yotafool) -98 Tacoma Regular Cab Shortbed SR5 2.7L 5spd LC Engineering Header and Freeflow Cat \| K&N FIPK -92 BMW 325is ~95 4Runner SR5 5spd~ SOLD 4" Superlift \| 33x12.5x15 M/T Baha Claws w/ M/T Classic II's \| 4.88 Yukon Gears with rear Detroit Locker \| TJM T-17 \| Hella 550's \| Bigrocksoffroad rocksliderz \| Procomp skidplate \| OME Steering Stabilizer \| Uniden CB with PA and bumper mounted whips \| Pioneer DEHP8500 cd/mp3 player

12-26-2003, 09:25 AM	#13 (permalink)
AFRunner Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 447	Our armory just got some new M4s. The TAC-P guys hate them, the SP's(cops)love them, said they are dead on. I've got short arms, so the AK's just tend to fit me well. As far as the furniture, I still like the old style wood. Aaron __________________ 2007 Tacoma DC 4WD TRD In Germany. Haven't been here since I got rid of the last Runner in 2005. Glad to be back in 'yota's.

12-26-2003, 09:38 AM	#14 (permalink)
phosho Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Central Virginia (BFE) Posts: 161	SAM-7 It will cost you but the quality is second to none.Check out the Arsenal SAM-7. There is a reason why the Kalashnikov and its varients are used by the militarys of over 100 countrys. Reliability! Sand, water, frozen, buried, it dont matter a quality AK will out perform a jammomatic (AR-15) anyday.The sar 1's are cheap romanian rifles put together of various surplus parts with a stamped reciever. It still has the reliable design of the kalashnikov but its also imported and you will run into legality issues for mods or hi-cap magazines. Do your homework and you will hear nothing but great things about this rifle and its "Made in the USA!" I got the SAM-7s. Its worth the extra few bucks for the scope options. http://www.arsenalinc.com/index1.html p.s. read the small arms review article on the link __________________ 96' 4Runner Limited 4x4 01' Corolla S Former "Toys" 92' Pickup 4x4 Xtra cab V6 98' Corolla LE 81' Celica GT Last edited by phosho; 12-26-2003 at 09:51 AM.

12-26-2003, 09:51 AM	#15 (permalink)
yotafool Contributing Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Kansas City, KS Posts: 565	ya i talked to my cousin who's based in camp lejeune and he said the marines never wanted to part from their M16A2's for an M4. But the people that use M249 para light machine gun dont have that problem lol. thats just a wicked looking gun. __________________ Jake Miller (yotafool) -98 Tacoma Regular Cab Shortbed SR5 2.7L 5spd LC Engineering Header and Freeflow Cat \| K&N FIPK -92 BMW 325is ~95 4Runner SR5 5spd~ SOLD 4" Superlift \| 33x12.5x15 M/T Baha Claws w/ M/T Classic II's \| 4.88 Yukon Gears with rear Detroit Locker \| TJM T-17 \| Hella 550's \| Bigrocksoffroad rocksliderz \| Procomp skidplate \| OME Steering Stabilizer \| Uniden CB with PA and bumper mounted whips \| Pioneer DEHP8500 cd/mp3 player Last edited by yotafool; 12-26-2003 at 09:53 AM.

12-26-2003, 07:54 PM	#17 (permalink)
UNLIMITED96 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: VANCOUVER WA Posts: 495	i have a ak-47 & love it, paid like $ 350.00 with 2 30 round clips & 1000 rounds of ammo @ a gun show. wait till the last day & most guys will give you a smokin deal. it's a kick too shoot http://community.webshots.com/photo/...64396593AwVDYI good luck eric __________________ 96 4 RUNNER LIMITED 3 INCH REVTEK LIFT ARB BUMPER WARN 8000 WINCH 305/60R18 COOPER STT'S 18X9 PRO COMP 7089'S MISC DO DAH'S

12-26-2003, 08:25 PM	#18 (permalink)
AFRunner Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 447	How you liking the hi-point Eric? I've had mine for about 6 months, put a thousand or so rounds through. I think its a hoot, everytime I go to the range people ask about it and want to shoot it. For the money I dont know if it can be beat. The Kel-tec's look nice, but I don't know if they are worth the extra 100 bucks. I would like to get one of their SU-16 __________________ 2007 Tacoma DC 4WD TRD In Germany. Haven't been here since I got rid of the last Runner in 2005. Glad to be back in 'yota's.

12-28-2003, 05:55 PM	#19 (permalink)
AZTOY Contributing Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: ARIVACA AZ Posts: 351	The SAR-1 are great guns. Cheap ammo and you can get high cap mag for arond 10 bucks . Just make sure the front sight is straight on the SAR-1. Also the Yugo SKS are nice gun too. BUY ONE, YOU WILL LOVE IT!! __________________ http://www.awbansunset.com http://www.thehighroad.org

01-03-2004, 07:39 AM	#22 (permalink)
cruizin01 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mt. Vernon Ohio Posts: 633	I dont mean to go OT here, but how do you know what guns are currently legal/illegal or is it just the trigg mech. thats used in each one? Hope I dont sound to dumb __________________ -Derek- 1998 Std. Cab Tacoma_4x4_2.7L_5 speed_PPG Gloss Black_2" RB BL_OME 882's & springs_33x12.50 MTR's on 15x10 Eagles_Westin Safari Bar_PIAA 520 SMR/Fog_Clear Lenses_Rear Diff Breather Mod_Manual Hubs_Taurus electric fan _Kenwood cd/mp3 player_Boston Z Comps_Boston Pro 10.5_fosgate 800.4_jbl 600.1_1 farad cap_bugshield_Magnaflow muff w/Borla tip_Tint 35-sides;20-back Pic Page

12-28-2003, 10:36 PM	#20 (permalink)
98limitednewbie Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: El Paso, TX Posts: 24	I have owned a SAR-2 (AK-74) for a couple years and I love it. Same design as the SAR-1 but different calibur. Its great for plinking and pretty decent on 300 plus yards considering its an AK. But this is from a bench and with a scope. There are plenty of accessories for it, like scope rails, cheap mags, mag. drums, synthetic stocks.. But if you are looking for an really accurate AK, look into something called the VEPR II. Made by Robison Arms (do a quick search on google) and you'll see how its different. Basically same design, but milled to tight tolerences. Best part about them is they come in different caliburs. 5.45 x 39mm, 7.62x39mm, and 7.62x51mm (the same as .308 winchester). While I do not own a VEPR II, it on my wish list. Can you imagine a .308 calibur assault rifle, w/ a NV scope. Dude Scary!!!

01-03-2004, 07:50 AM	#23 (permalink)
AFRunner Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 447	AK-47.net is a good place to find legal info on AK style weapons If you scroll down this index page to the law listings, you will find some good info including the BATF site. http://www.packing.org/resources/ __________________ 2007 Tacoma DC 4WD TRD In Germany. Haven't been here since I got rid of the last Runner in 2005. Glad to be back in 'yota's.

01-03-2004, 10:44 PM	#24 (permalink)
jgs9455 Contributing Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: FL Posts: 142	I love my AK. I have 10rd, 30rd & 40rd mags. I hope to add a 75rd drum. It's fun and cheap to shoot. It's a real Russian manufactured Siaga that's been modified back to original spec by AK-USA. I highly recommend them over some of the other cheap pos that are out there. http://www.ak-103.com/ I plan on adding a Bushmaster .223 AR-15 and a Springfield .308 M1A, but for now I'll enjoy my 7.62x39mm! __________________ '00 4Runner SR5 Sport

01-04-2004, 01:06 AM	#25 (permalink)
toy283 Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Denver, CO, US Posts: 1,435	My favorite is a Galil. Take an AK-47, refine it a little by getting rid of all the stamped steel parts and rechamber it to 5.56 NATO (.223) and 7.62 NATO (.308): Used to have one (5.56) until about a year ago. Wish I'd never have sold it but it did pay for some badly needed truck parts whan I had no other cash. __________________ Dave Currently own no Toyotas :( Last edited by toy283; 01-04-2004 at 01:10 AM.

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