follow up to the Bertuzzi incident.

doink · 06-24-2004, 04:07 PM

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X-AWDriver · 06-25-2004, 08:40 AM

Even tho' I'm not a Vancouver fan and am an Avs fan I don't think he should be charged criminally,it should be handled by the league which he still is indefinetly suspended. The punishment was handled well by the league and IMO he should be able to return when Steve Moore returns.

Tacoma Dude · 06-25-2004, 11:28 AM

I'm not a hockey fan but personally I think he should be charged. It was an unprovoked surprise attack that led to some pretty serious injuries. Any way you look at it the guy is a thug - people getting into a fight under the guise of sports as long as they know it's coming is totally different from coming from behind.

PoBoy · 06-25-2004, 11:40 AM

I'm not a Nuck fan by any means...and after watching Bertuzzi put the Blue's Jackman out for the season...I dont like him much at all. However, injuries are part of the sport. Getting pissed off is part of the sport. Cheap shots are part of the sport. This one went bad...although I really dont think it was all that bad of a hit in the first place...he just hit him in the wrong spot (or right depending upon how you look at it). Anyway, I think he should be playing next season and the whole criminal action is a joke IMOP. You shouldnt selectively choose when to charge someone with assault. Assault happens every 5 seconds in hockey.

Im sure the hockey God's are pissed off about this...

rimpainter.com · 06-25-2004, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Steve, I just want to apologize for what happened out there," he said at the time. "I had no intention of hurting you. I feel awful for what transpired.

"I had no intention of hurting you"

Are you kidding me?

Tacoma Dude · 06-25-2004, 11:47 AM

Injury is part of sports, especially Hockey - yes I understand that, BUT if I remember the clip correctly, the guy wasn't doing anything at the time. He was just skating and then sucker punched - he didn't have the puck, did he?

If I were playing any game and was in possession I would expect to be hit. I wouldn't be expecting a hit as I was walking away or watching someone else make a play. That's my point.

I dunno, maybe he was in possession, I don't remember the clip all that well.

PoBoy · 06-25-2004, 11:58 AM

My point is that if Moore wasnt injured...it would have been a normal part of hockey. Reed Lowe goes after guys all the time without them knowing. Same with Vandenbush, Probert, Nash, and various other fighters and instigators. The aftermath of Bertuzzi's was very unfortunate. Yes, he screwed up...but still this stuff has happend before, but there was minimal injury...nothing much more than a few game suspension has come out of them.

In hockey you can never not expect to be hit. The puck can come your way in a split second and WHAM you can get nailed. You should expect not to be puched in the back of the neck...and that's why I say it was very unfortunate for Bertuzzi. If he hit him in just about any other place...Bert would be playing next season. Unfortunately for Moore and Bert...Bert is a enormous fella and a hailmaker landed in the worse spot.

Yeah...he probably meant to hurt him but not nearly as much as he did...it's hockey though. happens.

Tacoma Dude · 06-25-2004, 12:11 PM

Like I said, I don't watch hockey so maybe it's expected... do you guys think that in light of this incident things should change? Or do you guys think that it's okay?

PoBoy · 06-25-2004, 12:29 PM

Sorry Peter...didnt mean to make that seem deragatory at all. I just love talkin hockey.

I think it should change back to the Gordi Howe days where he had 2 guys in headlocks...

I like it rougher than it is today. If you look at the types of injuries that occur...they are mostly where pads and protection arent (wrists, eyes, back of knees). Other than shoulder/back injuries that occur in any contact sport...I wouldnt say that it's really not that bad. I love hockey because there are so many different roles that require different abilities. I think if you take away a lot of the "violence"...you will take away a lot these roles and a lot of the players. The rules will become strickter and strickter...to the point where it's figureskating meet's curling.

I think the players need smaller salaries, more heart, more intensity, and more desire to win. Hockey needs Rivalries! What better way to create rivalries than big hits, an injury, and a few fights...Detroit-Avs?

sportJr · 06-25-2004, 12:38 PM

The charges are legitamate, I believe, and he needs to stand trial for his actions. It wasnt just some little cheesy hit like the ones that happens in other sports. This was a premeditated attack, (killed that big word), Go back to the last time the two teams played, and look up the quotes he had afterwords. I dont think he tried to do all the damage that he did, but he needs to be held accountable for what he did do.
Justice to me will be, he can go back to playing hockey on any level, as soon as Moore does.

Tacoma Dude · 06-25-2004, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoBoy

Sorry Peter...didnt mean to make that seem deragatory at all. I just love talkin hockey.

nah, didn't take it as derogatory

I don't know hockey so I'm thinking maybe I should keep my big mouth shut

I was just alarmed at the extent of the guy's injuries and everyone saying that it's normal hockey.

eric-the-red · 06-25-2004, 01:22 PM

Being one of the taxpayers that will have to pay for this trial I think it's totally ridiculous. Let Bertuzzi come back when Steve Moore returns, he'll end up losing a lot more in salary than any punishment from the courts here.
I was watching the news last night and the crown counsel said the 2 things they look for when deciding whether to press charges are
1. reasonable chance of conviction
and
2. it's in the best interests of the public.
Well #1 seems iffy and as for #2 how is it in the best interests of the public to spend thousands on a trial for some guy who is really no danger to the public. It's not like Bertuzzi's walking down the street assaulting people at random, and needs to be locked up for our safety.

sportJr · 06-26-2004, 06:12 AM

Ill agree with that Red, good call. No need to waste money on a trial. But letting them come back at the same time would be a great standard to set for the future, when it comes to these types of situation.

X-AWDriver · 06-26-2004, 11:35 AM

Ok,so Bertuzzi is on trial,where do you draw the line in hockey? Are you gonna press criminal charges for instigation of a fight or cheap shotting somebody into the boards? I think the Marty McSorely thing was different cause he used his stick as a weapon.

jx94148 · 06-29-2004, 10:17 PM

Worst that will happen to him will be a fine and probably some community service, perhaps some anger management classes or stupid crap like that. He won't go to jail for it. No big deal but fitting punishment for the crime, relativly minor as it was.

arjan · 06-30-2004, 11:23 PM

I agree with PoBoy. Those hits happen quite often, but fotunately not usually with these results. I am convinced that Todd never meant to injure Steve to that extend.

X-AWDriver · 07-01-2004, 03:22 AM

But he did intend on inflicting some sort of damage since it wasn't a spur of the moment thing,he did follow him around the ice with enough time to think about it.

06-25-2004, 08:40 AM	#2 (permalink)
X-AWDriver Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Littleton,CO Posts: 10,174	Even tho' I'm not a Vancouver fan and am an Avs fan I don't think he should be charged criminally,it should be handled by the league which he still is indefinetly suspended. The punishment was handled well by the league and IMO he should be able to return when Steve Moore returns. __________________ '99 4Runner Highlander 4wd E-locker,rear diff and deckplate mod * 265/75/16 Nitto TerraGrapplers * Yakima Load Warrior rack * clear corners/signals * Tacoma skidplate * Silverstar lamps/fogs Alpine CDA-9831,Bazooka EL Series 250w amp,MTX 10" sub

06-25-2004, 11:28 AM	#3 (permalink)
Tacoma Dude Contributing Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 8,360	I'm not a hockey fan but personally I think he should be charged. It was an unprovoked surprise attack that led to some pretty serious injuries. Any way you look at it the guy is a thug - people getting into a fight under the guise of sports as long as they know it's coming is totally different from coming from behind. __________________ Peter! 2002 Tacoma 1986 4Runner

06-25-2004, 11:40 AM	#4 (permalink)
PoBoy Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 2,000	I'm not a Nuck fan by any means...and after watching Bertuzzi put the Blue's Jackman out for the season...I dont like him much at all. However, injuries are part of the sport. Getting pissed off is part of the sport. Cheap shots are part of the sport. This one went bad...although I really dont think it was all that bad of a hit in the first place...he just hit him in the wrong spot (or right depending upon how you look at it). Anyway, I think he should be playing next season and the whole criminal action is a joke IMOP. You shouldnt selectively choose when to charge someone with assault. Assault happens every 5 seconds in hockey. Im sure the hockey God's are pissed off about this... __________________ So I sold my '96 4Runner to get married...I was sad. BUT NOT ANY MORE! Check out my 1985 4Runner with 32,xxx miles! PoBoyTech.Net

06-25-2004, 11:47 AM	#6 (permalink)
Tacoma Dude Contributing Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 8,360	Injury is part of sports, especially Hockey - yes I understand that, BUT if I remember the clip correctly, the guy wasn't doing anything at the time. He was just skating and then sucker punched - he didn't have the puck, did he? If I were playing any game and was in possession I would expect to be hit. I wouldn't be expecting a hit as I was walking away or watching someone else make a play. That's my point. I dunno, maybe he was in possession, I don't remember the clip all that well. __________________ Peter! 2002 Tacoma 1986 4Runner

06-25-2004, 11:58 AM	#7 (permalink)
PoBoy Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 2,000	My point is that if Moore wasnt injured...it would have been a normal part of hockey. Reed Lowe goes after guys all the time without them knowing. Same with Vandenbush, Probert, Nash, and various other fighters and instigators. The aftermath of Bertuzzi's was very unfortunate. Yes, he screwed up...but still this stuff has happend before, but there was minimal injury...nothing much more than a few game suspension has come out of them. In hockey you can never not expect to be hit. The puck can come your way in a split second and WHAM you can get nailed. You should expect not to be puched in the back of the neck...and that's why I say it was very unfortunate for Bertuzzi. If he hit him in just about any other place...Bert would be playing next season. Unfortunately for Moore and Bert...Bert is a enormous fella and a hailmaker landed in the worse spot. Yeah...he probably meant to hurt him but not nearly as much as he did...it's hockey though. happens. __________________ So I sold my '96 4Runner to get married...I was sad. BUT NOT ANY MORE! Check out my 1985 4Runner with 32,xxx miles! PoBoyTech.Net

06-25-2004, 12:11 PM	#8 (permalink)
Tacoma Dude Contributing Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 8,360	Like I said, I don't watch hockey so maybe it's expected... do you guys think that in light of this incident things should change? Or do you guys think that it's okay? __________________ Peter! 2002 Tacoma 1986 4Runner

06-25-2004, 12:29 PM	#9 (permalink)
PoBoy Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 2,000	Sorry Peter...didnt mean to make that seem deragatory at all. I just love talkin hockey. I think it should change back to the Gordi Howe days where he had 2 guys in headlocks... I like it rougher than it is today. If you look at the types of injuries that occur...they are mostly where pads and protection arent (wrists, eyes, back of knees). Other than shoulder/back injuries that occur in any contact sport...I wouldnt say that it's really not that bad. I love hockey because there are so many different roles that require different abilities. I think if you take away a lot of the "violence"...you will take away a lot these roles and a lot of the players. The rules will become strickter and strickter...to the point where it's figureskating meet's curling. I think the players need smaller salaries, more heart, more intensity, and more desire to win. Hockey needs Rivalries! What better way to create rivalries than big hits, an injury, and a few fights...Detroit-Avs? __________________ So I sold my '96 4Runner to get married...I was sad. BUT NOT ANY MORE! Check out my 1985 4Runner with 32,xxx miles! PoBoyTech.Net Last edited by PoBoy; 06-25-2004 at 12:31 PM.

06-25-2004, 12:38 PM	#10 (permalink)
sportJr Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Minnesota, SE that is. Posts: 199	The charges are legitamate, I believe, and he needs to stand trial for his actions. It wasnt just some little cheesy hit like the ones that happens in other sports. This was a premeditated attack, (killed that big word), Go back to the last time the two teams played, and look up the quotes he had afterwords. I dont think he tried to do all the damage that he did, but he needs to be held accountable for what he did do. Justice to me will be, he can go back to playing hockey on any level, as soon as Moore does. __________________ 91 4runner sr5 Co-founder Boat Drinks Off Road Some odds and ends mods tatooed white trash bumper sticker

06-25-2004, 01:22 PM	#12 (permalink)
eric-the-red Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Port Coquitlam, BC Posts: 2,493	Being one of the taxpayers that will have to pay for this trial I think it's totally ridiculous. Let Bertuzzi come back when Steve Moore returns, he'll end up losing a lot more in salary than any punishment from the courts here. I was watching the news last night and the crown counsel said the 2 things they look for when deciding whether to press charges are 1. reasonable chance of conviction and 2. it's in the best interests of the public. Well #1 seems iffy and as for #2 how is it in the best interests of the public to spend thousands on a trial for some guy who is really no danger to the public. It's not like Bertuzzi's walking down the street assaulting people at random, and needs to be locked up for our safety.

06-26-2004, 06:12 AM	#13 (permalink)
sportJr Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Minnesota, SE that is. Posts: 199	Ill agree with that Red, good call. No need to waste money on a trial. But letting them come back at the same time would be a great standard to set for the future, when it comes to these types of situation. __________________ 91 4runner sr5 Co-founder Boat Drinks Off Road Some odds and ends mods tatooed white trash bumper sticker

06-26-2004, 11:35 AM	#14 (permalink)
X-AWDriver Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Littleton,CO Posts: 10,174	Ok,so Bertuzzi is on trial,where do you draw the line in hockey? Are you gonna press criminal charges for instigation of a fight or cheap shotting somebody into the boards? I think the Marty McSorely thing was different cause he used his stick as a weapon. __________________ '99 4Runner Highlander 4wd E-locker,rear diff and deckplate mod * 265/75/16 Nitto TerraGrapplers * Yakima Load Warrior rack * clear corners/signals * Tacoma skidplate * Silverstar lamps/fogs Alpine CDA-9831,Bazooka EL Series 250w amp,MTX 10" sub

06-29-2004, 10:17 PM	#15 (permalink)
jx94148 Banned Join Date: May 2002 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 2,617	Worst that will happen to him will be a fine and probably some community service, perhaps some anger management classes or stupid crap like that. He won't go to jail for it. No big deal but fitting punishment for the crime, relativly minor as it was.

06-30-2004, 11:23 PM	#16 (permalink)
arjan Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mission, British Columbia Posts: 1,558	I agree with PoBoy. Those hits happen quite often, but fotunately not usually with these results. I am convinced that Todd never meant to injure Steve to that extend. __________________ 2006 4Runner V8 Sports Edition Red 1997 4Runner 3.4L Bushwacker Flares, 5spd, E locker

07-01-2004, 03:22 AM	#17 (permalink)
X-AWDriver Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Littleton,CO Posts: 10,174	But he did intend on inflicting some sort of damage since it wasn't a spur of the moment thing,he did follow him around the ice with enough time to think about it. __________________ '99 4Runner Highlander 4wd E-locker,rear diff and deckplate mod * 265/75/16 Nitto TerraGrapplers * Yakima Load Warrior rack * clear corners/signals * Tacoma skidplate * Silverstar lamps/fogs Alpine CDA-9831,Bazooka EL Series 250w amp,MTX 10" sub

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