Chevy trucks evolution.or lack of.

X-AWDriver · 04-03-2007, 12:31 PM

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Bill · 04-03-2007, 01:32 PM

Is toyota really someone to be pointing "evolution" fingers? Toyota goes in 5 year blocks(ish) without changing, and didn't change their running gear from 86 to 95.

There's only so much you can do with a box on wheels before it gets so rediculously ugly no one will buy it.

gilby4runner · 04-03-2007, 01:41 PM

think he is a ford fan? If i didnt have a toyota i would have a chevy.. but i agree they havent changed much in the past few years. Granted the F250 hasnt either... except the Grizzwald family truckster head lights that are new this year. It has worked for chevy for so long i guess they are afraid to let it go

paxil4x4 · 04-03-2007, 01:45 PM

Chevy, Ford and Dodge trucks are just fine in terms of evolution. It's really say however that the big three have tried to rely on trucks to keep them in business. If anyone is not evolving or could be considered going in the wrong direction it could be both Toyota and Nissan. The Titan and the Tundra are great, but both companies smaller trucks are now so huge they are not even worth buying in my book.

I would sooner buy a used 1500 GMC than a new Tacoma

rdharper · 04-03-2007, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill

Is toyota really someone to be pointing "evolution" fingers? Toyota goes in 5 year blocks(ish) without changing, and didn't change their running gear from 86 to 95.

There's only so much you can do with a box on wheels before it gets so rediculously ugly no one will buy it.

Don't have the slightest idea what you are saying.. (please explain further), but... I think I agree with you.

On the other hand, I think NOT changing what works... improving on what you have, making big changes only when clear improvement is necessary... design continuity, maintaining quaility with careful testing before releasing anything new... those are the keys to gaining market share.

As opposed to "the look", and depending on advertising to create interest.

X-AWDriver · 04-03-2007, 02:19 PM

It is a Ford fan that made the vid and I see his perspective since Chevy does stay more conservative with their trucks vs alot of other companies. The vid is showing more the lack of exterior design and not the underpinnings.

DudeBud · 04-03-2007, 02:29 PM

should of started it in 73 since 73-87 or 88

more or less the same body style.

Nic · 04-03-2007, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paxil4x4

If anyone is not evolving or could be considered going in the wrong direction it could be both Toyota and Nissan. The Titan and the Tundra are great, but both companies smaller trucks are now so huge they are not even worth buying in my book.

I have to agree. Toyota made the mistake of letting western influence sway them into upscaling.

I would like to think they will eventually smarten up and create another small truck.

drguitarum2005 · 04-03-2007, 03:48 PM

the creator of that video is extremely biased in my opinion. sure there are RESEMBLANCES from the 80s until now, but the creator did not ever comment on the grill style changing or the headlights changing after the late 90s. i notice significant differences in grills and headlights between 98 and 99, and even moreso between 2002 and 2003 and then the lights/grill change completely from 2006 to 2007...why didnt he comment on those in the video? those changes just disprove his point, and we cant have that, otherwise theres no point in making the video! the interior has been working for them and theres only so much change you can do short of removing the center console. steering wheels are always round...why would they change that? gauges are always above the steering wheel/column...why would they change that? unless its a front bench seat or a minivan, theres always a center console between the two seats...why would they change that? if you ask me, the creator is just desperate for things to look for since he loves his ford.

im still toyota all the way

turboale · 04-04-2007, 12:44 AM

Funny he never mentioned the infamous 6.0L PowerStroke that almost put Ford under way before the big three all started hitting bankruptcy...

Imho, let each company do what they do best...

Imports - Small/Mid sized trucks
GM - Mid-Full Size Trucks
Ford - Full/Giant Size trucks

Dodge has the (diesel) engine but thats about it...

X-AWDriver · 04-04-2007, 09:54 AM

You can't disprove someone's point if it's based on his opinion;I see both sides but I do agree Chevy has had kinda boring conservative designs compared to the others.

Bill · 04-04-2007, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X-AWDriver

I see both sides but I do agree Chevy has had kinda boring conservative designs compared to the others.

True, and if you do stick to a conservative approach(especially one that works), you avoid abominations like Ford new Super Duty front end...those lights are hideous.

turboale · 04-04-2007, 10:24 PM

Lets not forget the old saying....
"if it aint broke, don't fix it"

Modern carmakers strive to make each vehicle more advanced and more more more, better better better, which is good. But there is something to be said for simplicity every now and then. I'm not saying evolution/progression are a bad thing, but one of these days we are going to ask ourselves... do we really need 5738982 computers in a vehicle?

Tangent as usual...

Mister Willie · 04-04-2007, 10:59 PM

I gotta say..

I like Ford F250's and bigger. They look good for Full size work horses. And I drive a 250 with the 5.4(?) V8 to haul a whole lotta paint around.. never had a problem with it. We did have a tie rod end break once, but thats it.

I never was too fond of Chevy's trucks.

Whoever commented on Toyota's upscaling problem, I agree 100%.
I was parking my 2nd gen 4runner at the Community College yesterday and I saw a brand new Taco sitting one row over. Good lord, it sits higher, and is much bigger than my Lil 4runner, and for what? Why does it need to be bigger? Tacos are supposed to be light trucks, not fullsize.

joez · 04-09-2007, 09:52 AM

That was pretty bad, especially considering that the 1980-1997 F-series recieved only cosmetic changes on the front end and interior restylings. For the most part everything under the sheetmetal never changed.

04-03-2007, 01:32 PM	#2 (permalink)
Bill Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Calgary, AB, Can Posts: 690	Is toyota really someone to be pointing "evolution" fingers? Toyota goes in 5 year blocks(ish) without changing, and didn't change their running gear from 86 to 95. There's only so much you can do with a box on wheels before it gets so rediculously ugly no one will buy it. __________________ 86 Turbo Pickup EB Street RV head EB 268 Cam V6 Brakes + MC A340F auto ---> W56 5-spd swap ...I want a bigger turbo...

04-03-2007, 01:41 PM	#3 (permalink)
gilby4runner Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dickson,Tennessee Posts: 1,577	think he is a ford fan? If i didnt have a toyota i would have a chevy.. but i agree they havent changed much in the past few years. Granted the F250 hasnt either... except the Grizzwald family truckster head lights that are new this year. It has worked for chevy for so long i guess they are afraid to let it go __________________ 2002 Sport- (Sporticus) OME 881 / 906 combo, Full Synthetics, 265/75/16 Geolander AT II's, Brembo / Hawk combo,and a cool car seat for the future wheeler! 1998 Tacoma- The fun is about to begin!

04-03-2007, 02:19 PM	#6 (permalink)
X-AWDriver Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Littleton,CO Posts: 10,331	It is a Ford fan that made the vid and I see his perspective since Chevy does stay more conservative with their trucks vs alot of other companies. The vid is showing more the lack of exterior design and not the underpinnings. __________________ '99 4Runner Highlander 4wd E-locker,rear diff and deckplate mod * 265/75/16 Nitto TerraGrapplers * Yakima Load Warrior rack * clear corners/signals * Tacoma skidplate * Silverstar lamps/fogs Alpine CDA-9831,Bazooka EL Series 250w amp,MTX 10" sub

04-03-2007, 02:29 PM	#7 (permalink)
DudeBud Contributing Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: WA ,monroe Posts: 1,886	should of started it in 73 since 73-87 or 88 more or less the same body style. __________________ Dan 95 4runner 3vze A/T 84 4runner sr5 Ford 302 T-18 4spd yota t-case yota front and rear both open 37X13.00 boggers 88 4runner 22re 5spd

04-03-2007, 03:48 PM	#9 (permalink)
drguitarum2005 Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Houston (home), Atlanta (school), Cincinnati (work) Posts: 2,235	the creator of that video is extremely biased in my opinion. sure there are RESEMBLANCES from the 80s until now, but the creator did not ever comment on the grill style changing or the headlights changing after the late 90s. i notice significant differences in grills and headlights between 98 and 99, and even moreso between 2002 and 2003 and then the lights/grill change completely from 2006 to 2007...why didnt he comment on those in the video? those changes just disprove his point, and we cant have that, otherwise theres no point in making the video! the interior has been working for them and theres only so much change you can do short of removing the center console. steering wheels are always round...why would they change that? gauges are always above the steering wheel/column...why would they change that? unless its a front bench seat or a minivan, theres always a center console between the two seats...why would they change that? if you ask me, the creator is just desperate for things to look for since he loves his ford. im still toyota all the way __________________ -David 2000 Taco TRD Access Cab v6 \| 5spd \| 33" BFG A/Ts \| 33" PC Mud Terrains \| OME 882's \| Bilstein HD struts front \| Rancho shocks rear \| Chevy 63" leaf spring swap \| Custom sliders \| Custom front bumper \|3" BL \| U-Bolt flip \| Flowmaster exhaust \| Kenwood Speakers \| Grey Wire Mod \| Aux. Reverse Lights \| Deckplate Mod \| Lots of lights Pictures

04-03-2007, 01:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
paxil4x4 Drama Queen/Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 816	Chevy, Ford and Dodge trucks are just fine in terms of evolution. It's really say however that the big three have tried to rely on trucks to keep them in business. If anyone is not evolving or could be considered going in the wrong direction it could be both Toyota and Nissan. The Titan and the Tundra are great, but both companies smaller trucks are now so huge they are not even worth buying in my book. I would sooner buy a used 1500 GMC than a new Tacoma

04-04-2007, 12:44 AM	#10 (permalink)
turboale Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 4,870	Funny he never mentioned the infamous 6.0L PowerStroke that almost put Ford under way before the big three all started hitting bankruptcy... Imho, let each company do what they do best... Imports - Small/Mid sized trucks GM - Mid-Full Size Trucks Ford - Full/Giant Size trucks Dodge has the (diesel) engine but thats about it... __________________ --Austin 06 M45 Sport - Beauty 96 4Runner - The Beast

04-04-2007, 09:54 AM	#11 (permalink)
X-AWDriver Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Littleton,CO Posts: 10,331	You can't disprove someone's point if it's based on his opinion;I see both sides but I do agree Chevy has had kinda boring conservative designs compared to the others. __________________ '99 4Runner Highlander 4wd E-locker,rear diff and deckplate mod * 265/75/16 Nitto TerraGrapplers * Yakima Load Warrior rack * clear corners/signals * Tacoma skidplate * Silverstar lamps/fogs Alpine CDA-9831,Bazooka EL Series 250w amp,MTX 10" sub

04-04-2007, 10:24 PM	#13 (permalink)
turboale Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 4,870	Lets not forget the old saying.... "if it aint broke, don't fix it" Modern carmakers strive to make each vehicle more advanced and more more more, better better better, which is good. But there is something to be said for simplicity every now and then. I'm not saying evolution/progression are a bad thing, but one of these days we are going to ask ourselves... do we really need 5738982 computers in a vehicle? Tangent as usual... __________________ --Austin 06 M45 Sport - Beauty 96 4Runner - The Beast

04-04-2007, 10:59 PM	#14 (permalink)
Mister Willie Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,154	I gotta say.. I like Ford F250's and bigger. They look good for Full size work horses. And I drive a 250 with the 5.4(?) V8 to haul a whole lotta paint around.. never had a problem with it. We did have a tie rod end break once, but thats it. I never was too fond of Chevy's trucks. Whoever commented on Toyota's upscaling problem, I agree 100%. I was parking my 2nd gen 4runner at the Community College yesterday and I saw a brand new Taco sitting one row over. Good lord, it sits higher, and is much bigger than my Lil 4runner, and for what? Why does it need to be bigger? Tacos are supposed to be light trucks, not fullsize. __________________ 1985 4Runner 5spd 22RE on 30x9.50's I support MisterWillie.

04-09-2007, 09:52 AM	#15 (permalink)
joez Contributing Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Elwood, Il Posts: 1,253	That was pretty bad, especially considering that the 1980-1997 F-series recieved only cosmetic changes on the front end and interior restylings. For the most part everything under the sheetmetal never changed. __________________ -Joe Z Chicago 4x4 My Webshots 1985 Toyota 4Runner, 3" Trail Gear rear/ All-Pro front springs, 42x14 IROK's, Allied Rockathons, spool rear/detroit front, 30 spline longs, Dual cases w/4.7, Marlin High steer, lots of other stuff.. 1997 Dodge 2500 4x4, 12valve CTD, not stock.

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