buying a chevy truck.

jjdeneen · 10-25-2003, 12:12 PM

i went to the chevy dealership yesterday and was looking at my new truck. a 2004 chevy silverado z71 pickup 4x4. extracab shortbed white. it basically has everything z71 package=off raod suspension and all the bells and whistles except leather, cd changer and xm satillite radio.
its got the 5.3 litre, onstar, bose sound system, elect bucket seats, all the fun stuff

the sticker price was $34,400 but with all the rebates it would be $30,500 and getting the 6 year warrenty instead of the 3 year.

does anybody know if this is a good deal???

i will be putting $4000 down, and paying about $425 a month for 72 months at 4.9 % interest rate.
i might get a 3-3.5 % apr through my dads credit union but i wont know that until monday which would lower my mothly payment a little.

insurance i would get under my parents coverage through AAA for $190 a month for full covarage, right now im through mercury insurane by myself and paying $110 for liabliility only for a 1980 toyota 4x4....so that seems like a really good deal

yeah i know its not a toyota, please no flames....i still got the 1980 yota 4x4

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rowan · 10-25-2003, 12:30 PM

sounds like a pretty good deal to me. i havn't seen the 04 chevys, but assuming they still have the ugly headlights, i'd get a gmc instead.

or maybe an 02 chevy. could get a used one way cheaper i bet. some old guys lease trade-in or something.

but 30-35,000 for a 04 with all that sounds like a good deal.

why not a toyota?????????????????????

Tacoma Dude · 10-25-2003, 12:51 PM

...as long as it's not a Ford!
Sorry, I wish I could tell you something/anything about what kind of deal you're getting but all I can say is 6 years of payments seems pretty long

But since it's not a Ford you won't have to worry about your payments out-lasting your new car

jjdeneen · 10-25-2003, 03:41 PM

6 years is pretty long but at least that way i dont have to pay much each month but still leaves the option to pay more if i wish to (which i will).....

the chevys have beeter deals right now than the gmc's that i have found, so yes i do like the look of the gmc better i dont feel it is really worth the money to get a gmc if i had to pay more.
the chevy look is growing on me and the white one i looked at looks pretty darn good.

as for a lese trade in i am skeptical.... i know if i had a truck i was only planning on keeping for a few years and then trading in i would drive it like it was stolen cuz im not worried about long term reliability..........

knemo77 · 10-25-2003, 03:46 PM

i gotta say with that much money financed and the resale value of Chevy...you will be way way upside down in your payments in about a year....i will never buy a new car, let somebody else eat the initial depreciation....just my .02, i do like chevy trucks though.

EDGE · 10-25-2003, 04:48 PM

I would wait till the Titan comes out, maybe Chevy will offer better deals

seriously if you can it only favors you

I read somewhere on TS.com that a guy bought a similar truck with a sticker of 35k and after everything drove away with the truck for 27k

just reading other peoples buying experience with chevy I would not except anything less than 8-12k off their vehicles.

MSRP verse invoice on a domestic vehicle is twice if not 3 times that of an import, my 4Runner had an MSRP of 42,755 and and invoice price was 3k less, an Explorer or TrailBlazer with MSRP of 40k had invoices of 30k, thats a 10k difference and major profit you don't need to be paying.

I take it you live at home and is this your 1st new vehicle that your buying from a dealer cause I know I have been seeing Zero% financing but you need excellent credit plus 3k cash back on top of that, the insurance through your parents makes it less but in your own name for slightly more actually builds your credit up more so if you ever want to buy or rent something they see that

I would also go to Ford and Dodge and get trucks with prices similar to the Chevy you want even test drive a Ford or DOdge to the Chevy dealer and compare them, dealers get nervous when their gonna loose a sale, and they will start lowering the price, play their game, act like you don't really need it cause the more you look like you can wait forever to buy it the more they take off to sell it.

Every dollar you save can be spent on the mega aftermarket Chevy has, just think of what 5k could do to a chevy

Think I said enough and enjoy the new truck

Ric · 10-25-2003, 05:35 PM

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does anybody know if this is a good deal???

Its a chevy, expect to replace the tranny at about 50Kmls. along with anything else that breaks, ive had 2 chevy`s should have learned by the first POS but im hard headed

i do wish you luck, IF you do buy it...

jjdeneen · 10-25-2003, 05:42 PM

50k on the trannie?!?!?! GOOD GOD!!

they did offer a 6 year 72,000 mile warrenty though.....

FirstToy · 10-25-2003, 06:25 PM

That sounds like too much money for a Chevy PU to me.

If I was going big, it would be:
1/2 tie.Tundra 4 door V8- coming out shortly
1/2 tie. Dodge Ram Hemi 4 door (it's just too badass and logic doesn't apply here

)
3. Nissan Titan (reliability over looks)
4. F150 (looks over reliability)
5. Silverado (sorry, I can't get over the interior-otherwise nice)

EDGE · 10-25-2003, 07:41 PM

I love how die hard chevy guys will trade their trucks in at 40-70k for new chevys cause their having problems

don't they learn

cruizin01 · 10-25-2003, 08:00 PM

My dad baught a 97 z-71 4x4 extended cab 5.7l brand new, hes got around 140k miles on it now. They are basically in town miles. I think the only thing hes ever replaced on it is the battery and a fuel pump. Thats not too bad considering what its been through. He only changes the oil about every 8-10k miles(he runs synthetic). I can only hope my vehicles are this reliable.

Oh and yeah the GMC's do look better.

And I would also deff. consider buying used if you can find what you want. I baught a 2-1/2 year old 99 camaro ss that stickered for $31k for $21k. It only had 7k miles on it

3.4v6 · 10-25-2003, 08:40 PM

as long as it isnt a Dodge or a Ford it sounds good.

FUGGRWE · 10-25-2003, 10:24 PM

Older Chevy/GMC's were good, I dunno if I would buy one now though. If I were gonna go domestic, I'd get a Ford or a Dodge and steer clear of GMC. I had an Explorer, and never had any problems. Most people I know that have Chevys have quality problems from the get go. Just my opinion.

taco02 · 10-26-2003, 10:02 AM

First thing i have to say is do your research before buying. You can find out invoice price easy enough online. This alone will get you pretty good price.
When I bought my Tacoma I took this info and then made a letter that listed what options i wanted and then showed that i knew what the invoice price was and the sticker price. I then went online again and found about 20 dealers that I was willing to drive to and called them and got their fax number to the fleet manager/new car manager. I then faxed all these dealers with the letter I wrote and waited for them to call me back. I took their price and the next day I called them all back gave them the lowest price I recieved. Needless to say most of the dealers after hearing the lowest price dropped thier price also. I then called the lowest price dealer and told them we had a deal and to give me a total price with ttl ( I already had finaancing through my credit union) and i drove down and got the truck. This was last year and i was lookin for a 2003 D cab with power, air a pretty basic truck. I got a bid of $800 under invoice without having to go and mess with a salesman.

Have fun
Brad

Bob_98SR5 · 10-26-2003, 11:06 AM

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i will never buy a new car, let somebody else eat the initial depreciation

JJ,

knemo is absolutely right---let someone else pay the depreciation! most vehicle's depreciation is within the first 2-3 years, depending on the make/model/year of the vehicle. the depreciation starts to slow down after 3 years.

i'm also going to try to tie in two related subjects: financing (not leasing) and depreciation. when you finance a vehicle, the finance companies apply a formula called the "Rule of 72" which is calculated on the (APR x value of the vehicle x length of time) at the time of purchase.

a short explaination goes something like this: the first owner's first few years of car payments are actually paying for the depreciation, not the principal on the vehicle itself. hard to believe? its true! why? because these finance companies are trying to recoup the max amount of interest because they know from history that:

a) the car's resale value (MSRP - historical depreciation) will decline at a rapid rate but start to slow down around year 3.
b) the car may suffer from reliability issues (read = FORD)

---then the owner sells the car
c) the owner may get sick of the car or want to buy another vehicle---the owner sells the car
d) the car may be stolen, etc---the owner loses the car!

So when you buy a, say, 3 yr old vehicle, much of that depreciation will have been "paid off" by the previous owner. Since the vehicle's market value has been decreased by the amount of deprecation, your total finance amount will be much less. its a smarter buy, especially for vehicles that typically have high reliability like toyotas and hondas.

other things to consider:
many of the major problems happen with all vehicles typically occur within years 1 through 3. if you happen to find a 3 year old *any* vehicle with no problems, you're going to get a better deal than if you buy new.

also, given that the finance rates are soooo much better now for used cars than they were even 5 years ago, the 2.9% apr you'll probably get will not make a huge difference in monthly payments if you go through an internet finance co like www.peoplefirst.com.

i suggest doing some more homework/research and especially looking at reliability reports from consumer reports on that chevy truck you are looking at.

bob

Mohamed · 10-26-2003, 03:11 PM

Geez, everybody is attacking you on the new truck purchase, but honestly, I have boughten two used cars and I am so sick of inhereting people's problems, you never know the full extent of repairs until you go through thoroughly repairing each item and discovering other stuff along the way.

Honestly, if you plan to keep the truck for a very long time, yes, you will definitly get a hard hit in depreciation value, but my opinion is go new.

Chevy's are very nice trucks, especially with the 5.7L V8 very strong and powerful, although MSRP are way overpriced as many have mentioned. My friend's 2WD has been performing top notch (even though he bought it used) and the only thing that went wrong was the power window fell off the guides, pretty strange. DEFINITLY get the extended warranty based on previous findings of problems in the truck as they get older.

Tundra's are great trucks, but for a V8, don't have enough power right now and especially with the quadcab coming out, towing higher end items might prove to be a challenge in them.

SLC Punk · 10-27-2003, 05:01 AM

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Originally posted by Bob_98SR5
JJ,

knemo is absolutely right---let someone else pay the depreciation! most vehicle's depreciation is within the first 2-3 years, depending on the make/model/year of the vehicle. the depreciation starts to slow down after 3 years.

i'm also going to try to tie in two related subjects: financing (not leasing) and depreciation. when you finance a vehicle, the finance companies apply a formula called the "Rule of 72" which is calculated on the (APR x value of the vehicle x length of time) at the time of purchase.

a short explaination goes something like this: the first owner's first few years of car payments are actually paying for the depreciation, not the principal on the vehicle itself. hard to believe? its true! why? because these finance companies are trying to recoup the max amount of interest because they know from history that:

a) the car's resale value (MSRP - historical depreciation) will decline at a rapid rate but start to slow down around year 3.
b) the car may suffer from reliability issues (read = FORD) ---then the owner sells the car
c) the owner may get sick of the car or want to buy another vehicle---the owner sells the car
d) the car may be stolen, etc---the owner loses the car!

So when you buy a, say, 3 yr old vehicle, much of that depreciation will have been "paid off" by the previous owner. Since the vehicle's market value has been decreased by the amount of deprecation, your total finance amount will be much less. its a smarter buy, especially for vehicles that typically have high reliability like toyotas and hondas.

other things to consider:
many of the major problems happen with all vehicles typically occur within years 1 through 3. if you happen to find a 3 year old *any* vehicle with no problems, you're going to get a better deal than if you buy new.

also, given that the finance rates are soooo much better now for used cars than they were even 5 years ago, the 2.9% apr you'll probably get will not make a huge difference in monthly payments if you go through an internet finance co like www.peoplefirst.com.

i suggest doing some more homework/research and especially looking at reliability reports from consumer reports on that chevy truck you are looking at.

bob

The only argument that I have against this:

People don't know how to maintain their cars. I am the only person in my family that has bought a used car. Everyone else buys them new and keeps it for 8-10 years. The 4Runner and Celica were bought used and both needed maintenance (fluids changed, timing belt, tires, etc). I spent around 1,200 on the 4Runner to get all the maintenance and new tires, and over $2,000 to get the Celica running the way I want it (tires, various hoses, fluids, timing belt, turbo rebuild, etc). My next car/truck is going to be new (and another Toyota!!) I read an article a few years back (don't remember where I read it) that says that an owner of a "new" car will only get their max monitery value out of the car if they own it for around 10 years. Car's have the most problems the first year and after 10 years. The first year, everything is under warrenty, so there is no loss other than the owner's time. The mid-life of a car, is where they are most reliable. And then they go down hill and start to need more major maintenance (seals leak, etc). So if you buy it new and sell it before its reliability starts to go downhill, you will be fine.

Toyota's mid-life reliability is a lot longer than a Chevy's, so you will have to adjust it for that!!

Sac State · 10-27-2003, 07:38 AM

I owned one Chevy Silverado in my life. That is enough. I ordered it from the factory just the way I wanted it.

Two transmissions later, a rebuilt engine, leaking transmission and diffs, finally had Chevrolet buy the thing back at around 20,000 miles. It was a bigger POS than my '89 Ford Bronco 4x4, another great vehicle-not!

Have fun at the Chevy dealer, the stress anger management consultant and the rent a car people.

crawler#976 · 10-27-2003, 08:07 AM

First, there is nothing wrong about buying new- if your in a long term stable finacial stituation, and plan on keeping the vehicle for at least 4 years. If your a student, I don't think it's wise to be tied into a long term, high dollar commitment.

The price sounds high for the current market, I'd expect to see at least an $8000.00 discount off list price. If you have a CostCo in your area, ask for the CostCo price- see if it's lower. $4000.00 is a mighty low drop in price- it is less than they are offering here in rebates and dealer incentives. I'd make them an offer of no more than $26,400- when they turn it down, leave them your phone # and walk out. If they're as hard up to sell stuff as they are here, you'll get a call in a day or two. We bought a 2002 Yukon with these tactics- I offered them $28,000 on a $36,500 vehicle on a Friday, we drove it off the lot on Monday when they called us and accepted the offer-

As far as buying used, the used market is extremely soft right now w/ some tremendous deals available. I just bought a '98 GMC 4x4 K2500 Extended Cab w/ the 7.4L, AT, CC, PS, PB, Power Seats, Premium sound w/ CD, 60,000 miles on it for $13,000.00. The truck listed at $28,000.00 when new-----

I've seen 2001 4x4 1/2 ton trucks go for about the same price here too-

later

jjdeneen · 10-27-2003, 11:28 PM

***update on the truck search***

i called the sales manager at a local dealership. i talked to her about fleet prices (through my work i get fleet priceing supposedly) she faxed me a copy of a truck listed at $33,200 and dealer invoice price of $26,020. thats $6000 off list price!

i think that is a good price and its a gmc, no chevy, which i like the look of better.

i went to my dads credit union and got a quote on car loans...

i can get a 72 month loan at 4.75% apr. i think that is a good deal for the term length....gmc quoted me 4.9% apr for 90% of the price loaned (4000 down is what im putting down)

they said i had a credit score above 720 points so i got the best possible apr available. under 600 points i saw it was 9.5% WOW !

im gonna go look at the truck tommorrow, i,ll let you kno how it goes.............

jjdeneen · 11-15-2003, 01:57 PM

i bought a 2004 gmc sierra z71 truck.

it silver extended cab shortbed

I LOVE IT!!!!

i got it for 29,000 (invoice price) it was listed for 34,700

i.ve had it for 8 days now and almost have a thosand miles on it!

mkool · 11-15-2003, 03:16 PM

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Originally posted by jjdeneen
i bought a 2004 gmc sierra z71 truck.

it silver extended cab shortbed

I LOVE IT!!!!

i got it for 29,000 (invoice price) it was listed for 34,700

i.ve had it for 8 days now and almost have a thosand miles on it!

jjdeneen · 11-15-2003, 03:37 PM

oh yeah pics.....

well i,ll get those taken and posted on monday...sorry im at work now and am going dirtbike riding all day tommorrow

so i,ll do it monday after work.......

joez · 11-15-2003, 10:08 PM

well, good to see im not the only one who made the switch. are you keeping your old truck?

Jonathan · 11-15-2003, 10:40 PM

Thank you for not putting another one of those ugly new Chevies out on the road. I'm a chevy guy when it comes to domestics, but the stylings of the new trucks are horrible and disproportioned. The GMC is a very nice looking truck. It's amazing what slight body work and headlights can fix i.e. Chevy vs. GMC. Good luck with it!

10-25-2003, 12:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
rowan Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: maine Posts: 712	sounds like a pretty good deal to me. i havn't seen the 04 chevys, but assuming they still have the ugly headlights, i'd get a gmc instead. or maybe an 02 chevy. could get a used one way cheaper i bet. some old guys lease trade-in or something. but 30-35,000 for a 04 with all that sounds like a good deal. why not a toyota????????????????????? __________________ -Rowan black 99 tacoma regular cab 2.7L 4cyl. 5spd, 4x4 4" lift front SAWs and Revtek Diff Drop \| 4.5" lift rear Skyjacker AALs and Daystar Shackles \| removed swaybar \| ARB bullbar \| 33x12.50 BFG ATs on 15x8 AR Outlaw II's \| Bushwhacker Cut-out Flares \| kenwood headunit, amp, 10" MTX sub \| manual hubs \| Rhino liner \| K&N Filter \| Delta tool box \| Pro Comp Lights \| sometime in the future maybe: armor, gear/lock? 35s? SAS?

10-25-2003, 12:51 PM	#3 (permalink)
Tacoma Dude Contributing Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 8,360	...as long as it's not a Ford! Sorry, I wish I could tell you something/anything about what kind of deal you're getting but all I can say is 6 years of payments seems pretty long But since it's not a Ford you won't have to worry about your payments out-lasting your new car __________________ Peter! 2002 Tacoma 1986 4Runner

10-25-2003, 03:41 PM	#4 (permalink)
jjdeneen Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lakewood, CA Posts: 415	6 years is pretty long but at least that way i dont have to pay much each month but still leaves the option to pay more if i wish to (which i will)..... the chevys have beeter deals right now than the gmc's that i have found, so yes i do like the look of the gmc better i dont feel it is really worth the money to get a gmc if i had to pay more. the chevy look is growing on me and the white one i looked at looks pretty darn good. as for a lese trade in i am skeptical.... i know if i had a truck i was only planning on keeping for a few years and then trading in i would drive it like it was stolen cuz im not worried about long term reliability.......... __________________ 1980 Toyota PickUp 4x4. new paint (blue), spray-in bed liner, BFG Mud-Terrains 32x11.5, toyota altimerter/inclinomerter, custom rear tube bumper (badlandbumper.com). WARN manual hubs.

10-25-2003, 03:46 PM	#5 (permalink)
knemo77 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Richmond, Va Posts: 365	i gotta say with that much money financed and the resale value of Chevy...you will be way way upside down in your payments in about a year....i will never buy a new car, let somebody else eat the initial depreciation....just my .02, i do like chevy trucks though. __________________ 2000 4runner Limited Auto 4wd My Homepage

10-25-2003, 04:48 PM	#6 (permalink)
EDGE Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: outside NYC Posts: 2,038	I would wait till the Titan comes out, maybe Chevy will offer better deals seriously if you can it only favors you I read somewhere on TS.com that a guy bought a similar truck with a sticker of 35k and after everything drove away with the truck for 27k just reading other peoples buying experience with chevy I would not except anything less than 8-12k off their vehicles. MSRP verse invoice on a domestic vehicle is twice if not 3 times that of an import, my 4Runner had an MSRP of 42,755 and and invoice price was 3k less, an Explorer or TrailBlazer with MSRP of 40k had invoices of 30k, thats a 10k difference and major profit you don't need to be paying. I take it you live at home and is this your 1st new vehicle that your buying from a dealer cause I know I have been seeing Zero% financing but you need excellent credit plus 3k cash back on top of that, the insurance through your parents makes it less but in your own name for slightly more actually builds your credit up more so if you ever want to buy or rent something they see that I would also go to Ford and Dodge and get trucks with prices similar to the Chevy you want even test drive a Ford or DOdge to the Chevy dealer and compare them, dealers get nervous when their gonna loose a sale, and they will start lowering the price, play their game, act like you don't really need it cause the more you look like you can wait forever to buy it the more they take off to sell it. Every dollar you save can be spent on the mega aftermarket Chevy has, just think of what 5k could do to a chevy Think I said enough and enjoy the new truck __________________ 2003 ES300 2003 V8 LTD 4Runner 2006 Nissan Maxima SE

10-25-2003, 05:42 PM	#8 (permalink)
jjdeneen Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lakewood, CA Posts: 415	50k on the trannie?!?!?! GOOD GOD!! they did offer a 6 year 72,000 mile warrenty though..... __________________ 1980 Toyota PickUp 4x4. new paint (blue), spray-in bed liner, BFG Mud-Terrains 32x11.5, toyota altimerter/inclinomerter, custom rear tube bumper (badlandbumper.com). WARN manual hubs.

10-25-2003, 07:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
EDGE Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: outside NYC Posts: 2,038	I love how die hard chevy guys will trade their trucks in at 40-70k for new chevys cause their having problems don't they learn __________________ 2003 ES300 2003 V8 LTD 4Runner 2006 Nissan Maxima SE

10-25-2003, 08:00 PM	#11 (permalink)
cruizin01 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mt. Vernon Ohio Posts: 633	My dad baught a 97 z-71 4x4 extended cab 5.7l brand new, hes got around 140k miles on it now. They are basically in town miles. I think the only thing hes ever replaced on it is the battery and a fuel pump. Thats not too bad considering what its been through. He only changes the oil about every 8-10k miles(he runs synthetic). I can only hope my vehicles are this reliable. Oh and yeah the GMC's do look better. And I would also deff. consider buying used if you can find what you want. I baught a 2-1/2 year old 99 camaro ss that stickered for $31k for $21k. It only had 7k miles on it __________________ -Derek- 1998 Std. Cab Tacoma_4x4_2.7L_5 speed_PPG Gloss Black_2" RB BL_OME 882's & springs_33x12.50 MTR's on 15x10 Eagles_Westin Safari Bar_PIAA 520 SMR/Fog_Clear Lenses_Rear Diff Breather Mod_Manual Hubs_Taurus electric fan _Kenwood cd/mp3 player_Boston Z Comps_Boston Pro 10.5_fosgate 800.4_jbl 600.1_1 farad cap_bugshield_Magnaflow muff w/Borla tip_Tint 35-sides;20-back Pic Page

10-25-2003, 08:40 PM	#12 (permalink)
3.4v6 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Daly City, CA Posts: 900	as long as it isnt a Dodge or a Ford it sounds good. __________________ =Jason= 2001 Tacoma DC PreReunner SR5 (looks stock to me) S/C and some other crap

10-25-2003, 10:24 PM	#13 (permalink)
FUGGRWE Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 1,252	Older Chevy/GMC's were good, I dunno if I would buy one now though. If I were gonna go domestic, I'd get a Ford or a Dodge and steer clear of GMC. I had an Explorer, and never had any problems. Most people I know that have Chevys have quality problems from the get go. Just my opinion. __________________ 2006 Tacoma Double Cab 4x4 I do not like green eggs and ham. I do not like them, Sam I am.

10-26-2003, 10:02 AM	#14 (permalink)
taco02 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Big Spring, Tx Posts: 19	First thing i have to say is do your research before buying. You can find out invoice price easy enough online. This alone will get you pretty good price. When I bought my Tacoma I took this info and then made a letter that listed what options i wanted and then showed that i knew what the invoice price was and the sticker price. I then went online again and found about 20 dealers that I was willing to drive to and called them and got their fax number to the fleet manager/new car manager. I then faxed all these dealers with the letter I wrote and waited for them to call me back. I took their price and the next day I called them all back gave them the lowest price I recieved. Needless to say most of the dealers after hearing the lowest price dropped thier price also. I then called the lowest price dealer and told them we had a deal and to give me a total price with ttl ( I already had finaancing through my credit union) and i drove down and got the truck. This was last year and i was lookin for a 2003 D cab with power, air a pretty basic truck. I got a bid of $800 under invoice without having to go and mess with a salesman. Have fun Brad

10-26-2003, 03:11 PM	#16 (permalink)
Mohamed Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Carmichael, CA Posts: 1,657	Geez, everybody is attacking you on the new truck purchase, but honestly, I have boughten two used cars and I am so sick of inhereting people's problems, you never know the full extent of repairs until you go through thoroughly repairing each item and discovering other stuff along the way. Honestly, if you plan to keep the truck for a very long time, yes, you will definitly get a hard hit in depreciation value, but my opinion is go new. Chevy's are very nice trucks, especially with the 5.7L V8 very strong and powerful, although MSRP are way overpriced as many have mentioned. My friend's 2WD has been performing top notch (even though he bought it used) and the only thing that went wrong was the power window fell off the guides, pretty strange. DEFINITLY get the extended warranty based on previous findings of problems in the truck as they get older. Tundra's are great trucks, but for a V8, don't have enough power right now and especially with the quadcab coming out, towing higher end items might prove to be a challenge in them. __________________ 2002 Imperial Jade Mica Tundra 2005 Acura TSX 6MT Navi 2006 Suzuki GSX-R600 Pic's of my Tundra

10-27-2003, 07:38 AM	#18 (permalink)
Sac State Contributing Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Piedmont, North Carolina Posts: 828	I owned one Chevy Silverado in my life. That is enough. I ordered it from the factory just the way I wanted it. Two transmissions later, a rebuilt engine, leaking transmission and diffs, finally had Chevrolet buy the thing back at around 20,000 miles. It was a bigger POS than my '89 Ford Bronco 4x4, another great vehicle-not! Have fun at the Chevy dealer, the stress anger management consultant and the rent a car people. __________________ 2003 Sport V8 4x4 Black/GC Borla Dual exhaust, Black Pearl Emblems, aFe intake, Full Husky's, WeatherTech vent visors, OBX pedals, Revo's.

10-27-2003, 08:07 AM	#19 (permalink)
crawler#976 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Chino Valley, Az. Posts: 938	First, there is nothing wrong about buying new- if your in a long term stable finacial stituation, and plan on keeping the vehicle for at least 4 years. If your a student, I don't think it's wise to be tied into a long term, high dollar commitment. The price sounds high for the current market, I'd expect to see at least an $8000.00 discount off list price. If you have a CostCo in your area, ask for the CostCo price- see if it's lower. $4000.00 is a mighty low drop in price- it is less than they are offering here in rebates and dealer incentives. I'd make them an offer of no more than $26,400- when they turn it down, leave them your phone # and walk out. If they're as hard up to sell stuff as they are here, you'll get a call in a day or two. We bought a 2002 Yukon with these tactics- I offered them $28,000 on a $36,500 vehicle on a Friday, we drove it off the lot on Monday when they called us and accepted the offer- As far as buying used, the used market is extremely soft right now w/ some tremendous deals available. I just bought a '98 GMC 4x4 K2500 Extended Cab w/ the 7.4L, AT, CC, PS, PB, Power Seats, Premium sound w/ CD, 60,000 miles on it for $13,000.00. The truck listed at $28,000.00 when new----- I've seen 2001 4x4 1/2 ton trucks go for about the same price here too- later

10-27-2003, 11:28 PM	#20 (permalink)
jjdeneen Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lakewood, CA Posts: 415	*update on the truck search* i called the sales manager at a local dealership. i talked to her about fleet prices (through my work i get fleet priceing supposedly) she faxed me a copy of a truck listed at $33,200 and dealer invoice price of $26,020. thats $6000 off list price! i think that is a good price and its a gmc, no chevy, which i like the look of better. i went to my dads credit union and got a quote on car loans... i can get a 72 month loan at 4.75% apr. i think that is a good deal for the term length....gmc quoted me 4.9% apr for 90% of the price loaned (4000 down is what im putting down) they said i had a credit score above 720 points so i got the best possible apr available. under 600 points i saw it was 9.5% WOW ! im gonna go look at the truck tommorrow, i,ll let you kno how it goes............. __________________ 1980 Toyota PickUp 4x4. new paint (blue), spray-in bed liner, BFG Mud-Terrains 32x11.5, toyota altimerter/inclinomerter, custom rear tube bumper (badlandbumper.com). WARN manual hubs.

11-15-2003, 01:57 PM	#21 (permalink)
jjdeneen Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lakewood, CA Posts: 415	i bought a 2004 gmc sierra z71 truck. it silver extended cab shortbed I LOVE IT!!!! i got it for 29,000 (invoice price) it was listed for 34,700 i.ve had it for 8 days now and almost have a thosand miles on it! __________________ 1980 Toyota PickUp 4x4. new paint (blue), spray-in bed liner, BFG Mud-Terrains 32x11.5, toyota altimerter/inclinomerter, custom rear tube bumper (badlandbumper.com). WARN manual hubs.

11-15-2003, 03:37 PM	#23 (permalink)
jjdeneen Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lakewood, CA Posts: 415	oh yeah pics..... well i,ll get those taken and posted on monday...sorry im at work now and am going dirtbike riding all day tommorrow so i,ll do it monday after work....... __________________ 1980 Toyota PickUp 4x4. new paint (blue), spray-in bed liner, BFG Mud-Terrains 32x11.5, toyota altimerter/inclinomerter, custom rear tube bumper (badlandbumper.com). WARN manual hubs.

11-15-2003, 10:08 PM	#24 (permalink)
joez Contributing Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Elwood, Il Posts: 1,253	well, good to see im not the only one who made the switch. are you keeping your old truck? __________________ -Joe Z Chicago 4x4 My Webshots 1985 Toyota 4Runner, 3" Trail Gear rear/ All-Pro front springs, 42x14 IROK's, Allied Rockathons, spool rear/detroit front, 30 spline longs, Dual cases w/4.7, Marlin High steer, lots of other stuff.. 1997 Dodge 2500 4x4, 12valve CTD, not stock.

11-15-2003, 10:40 PM	#25 (permalink)
Jonathan Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Greenville, South Carolina Posts: 1,743	Thank you for not putting another one of those ugly new Chevies out on the road. I'm a chevy guy when it comes to domestics, but the stylings of the new trucks are horrible and disproportioned. The GMC is a very nice looking truck. It's amazing what slight body work and headlights can fix i.e. Chevy vs. GMC. Good luck with it! __________________ 1996 Black 4Runner V6 5 speed 4X4\| Retrofitted E-Locker\| SAW's\| LC coils and Doetschtech shocks\| ATS arms \| 285 Goodyear MTR's\|TJM T-15 With Warn M8000\|Retrofitted Toyota Hood Scoop\| Stubbs Sliders\|Bushwacker Extend-A-Fender Flares\| Extended rear diff breather\| Uniden 510XL CB w/ 4 Ft. Firestik II Antenna\|Dynomax Super Turbo Muffler\|Black headlights and corners\| More to come... 2007 VW GTI 6 Speed

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