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10 cars that killed Detroit
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My only question is which one of the big three poops the proverbial bed first? I`ll say Dodge...
Good post!
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ha, nice post...Ill have to find that book about toyota
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Great post.
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pleasurable pinto memories
In the early 70's I'd had a relationship w/ a waitress that had a Pinto....rear access was like a hatchback and made for some nice/exciting times. Her ex had a factory tricked out Mustang. Yes, our U.S. autos definitely were lacking in quality/dependability. The '70 Firebird I purchased after separtating from Uncle Sam blew a 'fibre' timing gear bending every valve as I was travelling in excess of the posted 70 miles per hour. The dealer told me that 'fibre' timing gears were used to lessen noise. Luckily my car was under a 5 year/50k mile warranty
Excellent post and thanks for bring up some good memories (Pinto related).
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Ahh yes the Cavaliers and the Astrovan. I tend to try and talk customers out of fixing either one (with the exception of the Cavalier with an Ecotech engine) as it's a waste of both our times and their money. The Astros are just a PITA to work with and notorious for the 4.3 intake leaks and pouring oil pans. The earlier Cavs (cannot remember the engine size) notorious for blown head gaskets and surprise surprise! oil pan leaks. There was even a recall for the Cavs with the wiring to the starter possibly resulting in a fire during a hard start situation. We are required to wire in a relay to the starter.
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I've said it before, but, Astrovans sell like hotcakes. At least around here they do. I go to auctions to buy and flip vehicles. All the used car guys around here know about the Astrovan and how they sell. I've bought 2 and they've sold quickly, and I've made some of the most profit from them as well compared to other domestics.
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I'm not sure I agree with the statement that the earlier American econo cars were inferior in technology, on quality. What about the early 80's Nissan Stanza. Was that the pinnacle of engineering of the early 80's. Sure some of them had 4WD, but what else makes them special???
How about the Honda CVCC??? What sets that car apart from all the other econo crap of the 70's/80's? Bottomline: People seem to want the big 3 to fail. Why? I'm not sure. Would it strengthen the economy, or teach anyone a lesson? NO. In fact if any one of the big three fails, the rest will soon follow. And many millions of Americans will be left without jobs, and the rest of us will be stuck to pick up the tab on the billions of dollars in tax revenues that the gov't will lose out on with the big three belly up. I guess I'm partially bias, being that I really only like Toyota trucks and I could care less about anything else they make. The truth is, and this will come as a shocker to many: Toyota quality has declined to a far cry of what they built their reputation on. That being said, Toyota is managed better than most other car companies. But, does that mean good management is reflected back to the consumer?
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This list seems a little off to me.......how could the Taurus, Exploder, and Cavalier make a death list?
They made BILLIONS off these cars, shouldn't the list be full of failures that they spent millions on that didn't sell well and they lost money on instead? The baby Jag is a good pick but hey where's the Pontiac Aztek.....that thing was freaky horrible, didn't sell for crap and cost tons to develop and manufacture.....now thats a failure and what truly cost them. How about Mustang II's? They were just wrong on so many levels!
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How is the Astro a flop, or a desparate attempt to compete with the "superior" Japanese minivans of the times? What about the fact that Dodge/Chrysler had the minivan market pretty much to themselves? Would the early Honda Odessy be considered "advanced" for it's market segment? How about the fact that it took Honda until 2000 to make a van with sliding doors. Or how about the Mazda MPV with its Rear wheel drive body on frame construction which has more in common with trucks than vans. The even offered those with 4 wheel drive. Even the crowd favorite, Toyota, sucks in the minivan market. Have we forgotten the mid engined abortion that Toyota scambled up and forced to the market to compete with the American minivans? These are all the minivans of the 90's which the Astrovan(which is not technically a "minivan") competed with until GM added a "proper" minivan(Chevy Venture). The Chevy Astro is by no means a failure, and even though it was not updated for 5+ years, it still sold strong up until the end. The Astro van filled in a "niche" market, which minivans and regualar vans couldn't fill. The astrovan got decent mileage, which the larger vans didn't, and could also tow 4500 pounds, which the minivans couldn't, and still cannot.
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Heh I read the one about the 10 Cars that killed Chevy.
Pretty damn funny. Especially the one about the EV1. I can't belive they crushed them all lol. I'm sure some Granola Hippie was trying to make the connection between that and Chevy Trucks crushing the envroment lol .
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Does anybody else think that Rallye Pinto would look cool with some Hellas on the front bumper?
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Sad but true
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I'm thinking it would be better with some on the roof too.
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ok what about the edsel ? that was a big flop. i mean if they want to go back that far.
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its all fun & games till someone gets an eye put out.. then it's fun & games you can't see !!! 100 extra hp...maybe once. Then it will sound like shaking a soda can with thumb tacks http://s499.photobucket.com/albums/rr359/dirtymoney427/ <click to see my slide show. |
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i dunno i like pintos. and, as stated, the rear hatchback area makes for some good times at the drive in, whereas my toyota cannot. (well, the bed, but its cold and exposed).
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Let's not forget:
Chevrolet Chevette, Citation, and Vega. AMC Pacer and Gremlin. Cadillac Barritz. Ford 500.
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Lest we forget the other cars NO ONE bought.
![]() ![]() ![]() Sorry, I meant this actually: ![]() ^The Chevy Hearse. The owner was sooo keen on getting away from it, he left it parked in the middle of the street. ![]() The car marketed as an irresponsible buy.
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Lots of people bought PT Cruisers, and Dodge Magnums.
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True that... I think I've seen 2 aztecs in my life... And one mark LT
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the lincoln trucks look nice, but i REFUSE to buy a truck that the manual says DO NOT TOW WITH THIS VEHICLE.
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The 22r series engines are made from the fires of hell, and will fight tooth and nail to not be sent back. 1988 Toyota P/U 4x4 22re, 1200 miles on the rebuild engine builder .268 cam pioneer CD deck 31x10.50x15 BFG A/T BAJA 100W lights on prerunner bumper KC Daylighters 100W rancho rs5000 MUD IS A VALID PAINT JOB! If not living life to the fullest, why live it? my trucks official buildup thread |
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My first car was an 84 cimmaron. I will agree that that one killed them.
The 85 Stanza I had was an awesome car. 4cyl 5 speed and would do 90mph in third. I loved that turd!!! |
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Hmmm. I still think American cars suck. I only like the Caddy CTS. I have not driven one yet, and honestly it was not a consideration when I was looking. My wife got her Lexus IS250AWD instead. I admittedly bought my Yukon this year because of all the rebates. My poor 22RE could not tow the boat.
American automakers have a long way to go. It's not 'will they last' but 'can I stay awake driving this turd'.
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