4crawler.com or roger brown body lifts

Cobra69 · 11-13-2008, 01:10 PM

4crawler.com Or Roger Brown body lifts.........

I recently purchased a 1" body lift from him..........Paid for the 1" body kit for extra cab with HD bolts.

What I got after I had taken all the bolts out of one side of my Cab and loosened the other side was ALL the bolts were 1" TOO Long!! I e-mailed him.....cuase He doesn't give you a phone number to talk to him....(hmmm I wonder why) That He screwed up and wrote back to me... back pedaling saying it was my mistake........I looked up my paypal reciept and follow up e-mail to him........BOTH stated I want the extra cab 1" body lift with HD bolts.

So He finally agrees to send me the right bolts............after I'm stranded and have to jerry rig my truck back together to go to work the next day.

Well I got the bolts today and they are still wrong.........I got the standard grade bolts and NOT the HD bolts I PAID extra for......

The guy has no clue as to what he is doing..............the kit was put together very unprofessionally and after seeing the kit I could have put this kit together on MY own for about $50.

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**Tofer** · 11-13-2008, 01:21 PM

i havent done a body lift but why are you bitching that he bolts are too long?? i can see why you'd be upset if they were too short, but if they are too long let it hang down in the body mount, who cares.....

in the 4 1/2 years i've been working with and on toyota's this is the first time that i've heard ANYTHING bad about Rodger and 4crawler products. the times i've ordered stuff from 4Crawler its been packaged fine and shipping was very quick.

and your claim that "The guy has no clue as to what he is doing" is absolutely BS... he is VERY knowledgeable when it comes to toyotas. i think you're the one who has no clue.......

**waskillywabbit** · 11-13-2008, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobra69

4crawler.com Or Roger Brown body lifts.........

I recently purchased a 1" body lift from him..........Paid for the 1" body kit for extra cab with HD bolts.

What I got after I had taken all the bolts out of one side of my Cab and loosened the other side was ALL the bolts were 1" TOO Long!! I e-mailed him.....cuase He doesn't give you a phone number to talk to him....(hmmm I wonder why) That He screwed up and wrote back to me... back pedaling saying it was my mistake........I looked up my paypal reciept and follow up e-mail to him........BOTH stated I want the extra cab 1" body lift with HD bolts.

So He finally agrees to send me the right bolts............after I'm stranded and have to jerry rig my truck back together to go to work the next day.

Well I got the bolts today and they are still wrong.........I got the standard grade bolts and NOT the HD bolts I PAID extra for......

The guy has no clue as to what he is doing..............the kit was put together very unprofessionally and after seeing the kit I could have put this kit together on MY own for about $50.

If you had a clue

you would have bothered to put this in the appropriate thread and not start a new one.

I recommend you go post this in the Toyota 4Runner section on Pirate4x4 so we can really tell you how we feel about your misguided opinion.

Toyvana · 11-13-2008, 02:27 PM

Sooo, you just bought your Toyota yesterday? Roger Brown has been in the game for a long time.

I will continue to buy products from 4Crawler and browse his site for tech articles.

**Tofer** · 11-13-2008, 02:31 PM

AxleIke · 11-13-2008, 02:52 PM

I too will continue to buy happily from 4crawler.

Ordered many things, everything has been perfect, and prompt.

Going to order more soon.

Just in case I wasn't clear:

4crawler is an EXCELLENT vendor. HIGHLY recommended.

Tacoclimber · 11-13-2008, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AxleIke

I too will continue to buy happily from 4crawler.

Ordered many things, everything has been perfect, and prompt.

Going to order more soon.

Just in case I wasn't clear:

4crawler is an EXCELLENT vendor. HIGHLY recommended.

My 2" BL was second hand (bought it from another member) and Roger was more than helpful not only in his detailed instructions, but also one on one.

I'm with the majority on this one.

ocdropzone · 11-15-2008, 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobra69

after seeing the kit I could have put this kit together on MY own for about $50.

OK, let's see your $50 kit

**waskillywabbit** · 11-15-2008, 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobra69

The guy has no clue as to what he is doing...the kit was put together very unprofessionally and after seeing the kit I could have put this kit together on MY own for about $50.

This has got to be the funniest, most misguided, moronic statement I have read in a long time. I still think you need to go post your opinion over on Pirate and let them post some thoughtful flowery reflections.

texcat101 · 11-15-2008, 08:15 AM

1" too long? maybe install the bushings along with the blocks. Just a thought.

One thing for sure, Roger is the guru. He has helped hundreds of people on this forum alone. As I said told Roger, too bad the wife and I can't have any more kids cause we would name it " 4crawler "

93toy · 11-15-2008, 09:38 AM

Roger is the man. Period.

904_runner · 11-15-2008, 09:59 AM

I haven't ordered anything from him yet, but he is very knowledgeable, he is always on here helping out others with the information he has.

**Tofer** · 11-15-2008, 11:02 AM

and the other thing i want to point out is i've noticed Rodger will take the time to answer someones dumb noobie question when everyone else just say "SEARCH!!"

stormin94 · 11-18-2008, 04:11 PM

jjrgr21 · 11-18-2008, 05:25 PM

1st negative thing i've heard of roger, the guy knows a ton about toyota's and is awesome about giving advise, and quality products.

stormin94 · 11-18-2008, 05:47 PM

It only makes sense to have 1" longer bolts than stock, since you are spacing 1".

I did mine, and it was easy. The longer bolts will look just fine once you've done the lift.

Just try it. The problem here does not lie with the materials, but the installer.

BAMF_CT2004 · 12-09-2008, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tofer

and the other thing i want to point out is i've noticed Rodger will take the time to answer someones dumb noobie question when everyone else just say "SEARCH!!"

X2 (I admit I am guilty of "SEARCH!!")

sa51 · 12-09-2008, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stormin94

It only makes sense to have 1" longer bolts than stock, since you are spacing 1".

I did mine, and it was easy. The longer bolts will look just fine once you've done the lift.

Just try it. The problem here does not lie with the materials, but the installer.

i've never installed a body lift before but that just seems plain obvious to me.

wyorunner · 12-09-2008, 08:55 PM

I recently bought a 1" BL from 4crawler and it was nothing but professionalism. I havnt seen the order yet but thats because im on the other side of the world where as the kit is going to my house.

and as everybody else has said, i will probably deal with him again.

if you would have done more searching instead of posting you might have found out why the bolts were one inch longer, and if youd have read any of the tech articles on the 4crawler website, again would have answered why your bolts are 1" longer. and how do you know that the bolts arent HD, because they are the wrong color or something?

for future reference try and figure out what is really wrong before posting and getting slammed by everyone.

Ron Helmuth · 12-26-2008, 12:00 PM

Sorry to hear you think there was a bad experience with 4crawler.

I ordered my battery contacts and they arrived within 2 days.

I believe Roger Brown may have a "real job" in addition to his 4Crawler help to us Yota owners-thus he likely does not publish a phone number so he can have some private time to himself and for his family. My guess-I work at a computer all day at work-kind of the last thing I want to do on "my time".

He has always responded to my emails and he does not know me from anywhere-I hope to meet the man someday and tell him to his face how helpful his tech details are to people like me who don't know &^%$ from shinola....And shake his hand-and buy him his favorite beverage.

I recently called Roger "a legend" and I mean it. His articles are published in Toyota Trails magazine Tech Help section. This is the magazine of the Toyota Land Cruiser Association-and no you do not have to be a Cruiser owner to appreciate the magazine nor his advice.

You even relay that he did take care of you in the end. But again it was not what you wanted. Communication is a 2 way connection. He is either not fully understanding what you think you want or you failed to properly order what he offers. I am inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt and you see others doing the same.

Tell us specifically how much cash you think he has screwed you out of.

Chalk it up to a learning experience Cobra. Ask, ask, and ask some more if you are not sure what you are buying-read other vendors and see what they offer instead.

This is why some of us use our real names as our "handle". We have integrity and have nothing to hide from you or any other forum member. I most certainly put 4crawler in that category.

4x4CPOSEADOG · 01-15-2009, 07:53 AM

I'm controlling my urge to post on this thread but I can't help it. This thread is a blasphemy to a Toy Guru who have helped a lot of Toyota 4x4 enthusiasts. The original poster is just embarassing himself evenmore by not doing search and research, or did not ask before he bought the items from 4Crawler.

The only way we can solve this issue for both the OP and 4Crawler is to have a moderator to DELETE this thread to prevent further embarrassment to Cobra 69 and to preserve the respect to 4Crawler. Please delete the thread to keep this issue out and away of this board.

Noel

**Tofer** · 01-15-2009, 11:11 AM

i don't feel the thread needs to be deleted... the OP feels that way about 4crawlers products.. we cant change that. all we can do is defend 4crawler by expressing our positive experiences. The OP has the right to feel the way he does and voice his opinion whither we agree with it or not and by deleting this thread its taking away that right.

11-13-2008, 01:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
Tofer Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Tacoma WA. Posts: 6,902	i havent done a body lift but why are you bitching that he bolts are too long?? i can see why you'd be upset if they were too short, but if they are too long let it hang down in the body mount, who cares..... in the 4 1/2 years i've been working with and on toyota's this is the first time that i've heard ANYTHING bad about Rodger and 4crawler products. the times i've ordered stuff from 4Crawler its been packaged fine and shipping was very quick. and your claim that "The guy has no clue as to what he is doing" is absolutely BS... he is VERY knowledgeable when it comes to toyotas. i think you're the one who has no clue....... __________________ 94 4runenr: all the good stuff....... 89 4runner: 3.0, Auto, 5.29 lockright f/r. 31x10.5 wildcountry ATs. 81 2wd pickup: 22R \| 5-sp \| long bed \|Civic SI seats \| LockRight \| Hella 500s pacific-crawlers.com For all your Trail-gear and HID lighting Solutions Needs check out yotaworks.com Online store coming soon :) Last edited by Tofer; 11-13-2008 at 01:25 PM.

11-13-2008, 02:31 PM	#5 (permalink)
Tofer Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Tacoma WA. Posts: 6,902	__________________ 94 4runenr: all the good stuff....... 89 4runner: 3.0, Auto, 5.29 lockright f/r. 31x10.5 wildcountry ATs. 81 2wd pickup: 22R \| 5-sp \| long bed \|Civic SI seats \| LockRight \| Hella 500s pacific-crawlers.com For all your Trail-gear and HID lighting Solutions Needs check out yotaworks.com Online store coming soon :)

11-13-2008, 02:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
AxleIke Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 4,887	I too will continue to buy happily from 4crawler. Ordered many things, everything has been perfect, and prompt. Going to order more soon. Just in case I wasn't clear: 4crawler is an EXCELLENT vendor. HIGHLY recommended. __________________ 1987 Mutant 4runner\|Slightly Modified\|Lacking general build direction -Lifts and Tires look cool at the Mall, Lockers and Gears look cool on the trail. -Internet Nice Guy

11-15-2008, 08:15 AM	#10 (permalink)
texcat101 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: W. Texas Posts: 367	1" too long? maybe install the bushings along with the blocks. Just a thought. One thing for sure, Roger is the guru. He has helped hundreds of people on this forum alone. As I said told Roger, too bad the wife and I can't have any more kids cause we would name it " 4crawler " __________________ 85 4runner, 3" spring lift, 4Crawler 2" body lift, Precision Gear 5.29's w/power brute posi frt & rear, M/T Baja MTZ 33x12.5x15, Warn M8000 winch, Optima redtop, Marlin Crawler Front, Rear Bumpers and Sliders, Allpro crossover steering & U bolt flip, LC rotors, '94 calipers and booster. 4.3 vortec / 700r4, Megasquirt II, EDIS6

11-15-2008, 09:38 AM	#11 (permalink)
93toy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Asheville, NC Posts: 228	Roger is the man. Period. __________________ The Toyotas- 00 4Runner Sport- 3.4 auto, Stubbs sliders, Sequoia 17 inch wheels, 02 tail lights. 88 4Runner- 3.0 auto. In pieces.....for now. 85 4Runner- 22re 5 speed. Bone stock.....for now. 2009 Unmarked Charger. (Current patrol car)

11-13-2008, 02:27 PM	#4 (permalink)
Toyvana Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Godfrey, Illinois Posts: 928	Sooo, you just bought your Toyota yesterday? Roger Brown has been in the game for a long time. I will continue to buy products from 4Crawler and browse his site for tech articles.

11-15-2008, 09:59 AM	#12 (permalink)
904_runner Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chico, California Posts: 3,782	I haven't ordered anything from him yet, but he is very knowledgeable, he is always on here helping out others with the information he has. __________________ Mike 1990 4runner: 3.4 swapped, 5-speed, sas'd, Rear leaf swap, Locked, 5.29's, 39.5" iroks on Beadlocks, Armor'd Longfields, Duals coming soon: My build thread http://www.yotatech.com/f152/904_run...thread-158746/ http://www.treadlightly.org/ http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billav...ery/index.html

11-15-2008, 11:02 AM	#13 (permalink)
Tofer Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Tacoma WA. Posts: 6,902	and the other thing i want to point out is i've noticed Rodger will take the time to answer someones dumb noobie question when everyone else just say "SEARCH!!" __________________ 94 4runenr: all the good stuff....... 89 4runner: 3.0, Auto, 5.29 lockright f/r. 31x10.5 wildcountry ATs. 81 2wd pickup: 22R \| 5-sp \| long bed \|Civic SI seats \| LockRight \| Hella 500s pacific-crawlers.com For all your Trail-gear and HID lighting Solutions Needs check out yotaworks.com Online store coming soon :)

11-18-2008, 04:11 PM	#14 (permalink)
stormin94 Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Lake County, CA/Sacramento Posts: 3,535	__________________ 1994 Toyota 4Runner SR5 4X4 213,000 miles and counting 3.0 V6, 5 speed 10/15 MPG city/hwy(with 33's) Current Mods Headers, 2.5" Flowmaster custom exhaust, K&N FIPK KC Daylighter 100 Watt lights Ranchos x4, 2" Lift Downey coils 33-12.50 M/T's, 1" t-bar lift, 1" body lift Tow pkg w/ lighthookups Silverstar Headlights, Pioneer Deck w/XM Brushguard 250Watt JLAudio 8" W3 Sub Future Mods 12V Aux outlet-400/800peak inverter roof basket/lights Air locker 4.88 gears H.O. Alternator

11-18-2008, 05:25 PM	#15 (permalink)
jjrgr21 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,520	1st negative thing i've heard of roger, the guy knows a ton about toyota's and is awesome about giving advise, and quality products. __________________ 2003 4WD TRD Tacoma 1986 4Runner

11-18-2008, 05:47 PM	#16 (permalink)
stormin94 Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Lake County, CA/Sacramento Posts: 3,535	It only makes sense to have 1" longer bolts than stock, since you are spacing 1". I did mine, and it was easy. The longer bolts will look just fine once you've done the lift. Just try it. The problem here does not lie with the materials, but the installer. __________________ 1994 Toyota 4Runner SR5 4X4 213,000 miles and counting 3.0 V6, 5 speed 10/15 MPG city/hwy(with 33's) Current Mods Headers, 2.5" Flowmaster custom exhaust, K&N FIPK KC Daylighter 100 Watt lights Ranchos x4, 2" Lift Downey coils 33-12.50 M/T's, 1" t-bar lift, 1" body lift Tow pkg w/ lighthookups Silverstar Headlights, Pioneer Deck w/XM Brushguard 250Watt JLAudio 8" W3 Sub Future Mods 12V Aux outlet-400/800peak inverter roof basket/lights Air locker 4.88 gears H.O. Alternator

12-09-2008, 08:55 PM	#19 (permalink)
wyorunner Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Anne Arundel County, MD Posts: 376	I recently bought a 1" BL from 4crawler and it was nothing but professionalism. I havnt seen the order yet but thats because im on the other side of the world where as the kit is going to my house. and as everybody else has said, i will probably deal with him again. if you would have done more searching instead of posting you might have found out why the bolts were one inch longer, and if youd have read any of the tech articles on the 4crawler website, again would have answered why your bolts are 1" longer. and how do you know that the bolts arent HD, because they are the wrong color or something? for future reference try and figure out what is really wrong before posting and getting slammed by everyone. __________________ 02 4runner Sport 4.88 LOCKED 3" OME lift + 1" 4crawler BL, Tundra Brake Upgrade, Deckplate Mod + ISR Mod, LED Gauge cluster and temp control, 285/75R16 Goodyear Wrangler MTR, H/O ARB compressor, Needing install HID Retro My Profile

12-26-2008, 12:00 PM	#20 (permalink)
Ron Helmuth Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Denver metro area-CO Posts: 1,339	Sorry to hear you think there was a bad experience with 4crawler. I ordered my battery contacts and they arrived within 2 days. I believe Roger Brown may have a "real job" in addition to his 4Crawler help to us Yota owners-thus he likely does not publish a phone number so he can have some private time to himself and for his family. My guess-I work at a computer all day at work-kind of the last thing I want to do on "my time". He has always responded to my emails and he does not know me from anywhere-I hope to meet the man someday and tell him to his face how helpful his tech details are to people like me who don't know &^%$ from shinola....And shake his hand-and buy him his favorite beverage. I recently called Roger "a legend" and I mean it. His articles are published in Toyota Trails magazine Tech Help section. This is the magazine of the Toyota Land Cruiser Association-and no you do not have to be a Cruiser owner to appreciate the magazine nor his advice. You even relay that he did take care of you in the end. But again it was not what you wanted. Communication is a 2 way connection. He is either not fully understanding what you think you want or you failed to properly order what he offers. I am inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt and you see others doing the same. Tell us specifically how much cash you think he has screwed you out of. Chalk it up to a learning experience Cobra. Ask, ask, and ask some more if you are not sure what you are buying-read other vendors and see what they offer instead. This is why some of us use our real names as our "handle". We have integrity and have nothing to hide from you or any other forum member. I most certainly put 4crawler in that category. __________________ 99 4Runner SR5 4wd 3.4/5 spd- Fact. Rr. Locker/Diff Breather Ext. Old Man Emu lift springs- 881 fronts/890 rears O/M/E shocks- N91s fr./N86 rr. All Pro Off Road welded sliders-prevent body damage! ARB"Taco"bumper/Gamiviti clear lenses/Hella 500s Redline Tuning hood struts/Bushwacker Extend a Fenders all my photos are over on Facebook now-I gave up on photo hosting sorry.... http://www.facebook.com/album.php?ai...5&l=5795132731 Last edited by Ron Helmuth; 12-26-2008 at 12:00 PM. Reason: us us is us use

01-15-2009, 07:53 AM	#21 (permalink)
4x4CPOSEADOG Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Chesapeake, VA Posts: 458	I'm controlling my urge to post on this thread but I can't help it. This thread is a blasphemy to a Toy Guru who have helped a lot of Toyota 4x4 enthusiasts. The original poster is just embarassing himself evenmore by not doing search and research, or did not ask before he bought the items from 4Crawler. The only way we can solve this issue for both the OP and 4Crawler is to have a moderator to DELETE this thread to prevent further embarrassment to Cobra 69 and to preserve the respect to 4Crawler. Please delete the thread to keep this issue out and away of this board. Noel __________________ Noel 94 4Runner, V6, 4x4 97 LX450 (stock & no lockers) CDL'ed w/ Pin 7 Mod, Slee cupholder, OME lift soon...... 04 Tacoma Ext Cab V6 4x4 TRD w/RR DIFF LOCK

01-15-2009, 11:11 AM	#22 (permalink)
Tofer Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Tacoma WA. Posts: 6,902	i don't feel the thread needs to be deleted... the OP feels that way about 4crawlers products.. we cant change that. all we can do is defend 4crawler by expressing our positive experiences. The OP has the right to feel the way he does and voice his opinion whither we agree with it or not and by deleting this thread its taking away that right. __________________ 94 4runenr: all the good stuff....... 89 4runner: 3.0, Auto, 5.29 lockright f/r. 31x10.5 wildcountry ATs. 81 2wd pickup: 22R \| 5-sp \| long bed \|Civic SI seats \| LockRight \| Hella 500s pacific-crawlers.com For all your Trail-gear and HID lighting Solutions Needs check out yotaworks.com Online store coming soon :)

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