BIGGEST Shackles EVER!!!!!

ChickN · 07-02-2008, 08:04 PM

just wanting to see what are the biggest shackles people are running in the front of their rigs!!! i have heard that you dont want to go bigger than 2 inches of lift but i was thinkin of goin 3 inches of lift on my 1st gen! anyone got any wisdom!

DeathCougar · 07-02-2008, 08:08 PM

get springs. Long you would need shackles that are 5" longer than stock to get 3" of lift, and thats startin to get in the scary suspension catagory.

ChickN · 07-02-2008, 08:15 PM

what do you think would happen tho. would it be hella squirrly on road? i would only probly run it for a few months!

hurley842002 · 07-02-2008, 08:18 PM

I had an International scout II that had some very long shackles on it when I bought it, must have been about 5 inches. It was very very squirly. I would not recommend anything much longer than factory.

drew303 · 07-02-2008, 08:54 PM

I dunno, my truck isnt squirly at all. I say bigger the shackles the better.

*seriously, not my rig, and shackles upfront change the caster angle, so you can't really go very big otherwise you mess up your caster bad which is dangerous.

DeathCougar · 07-02-2008, 08:55 PM

That truck has stock length shackles lol. Its the Welding abortioon above it that makes that one scary.

And yes, longer shackles will change your pinion angle which is very bad. Toyotas front axle shackles are on the backside of the axle, so it will point the pinion towards the ground.

Jeeps benefit from longer shackles, since their shackles are in the front thus pointing the pinion up towards the Tcase.

camo31"10.50" · 07-02-2008, 08:58 PM

WTF!!!!???!?!?!?!?

....PLEASE tell me that guy doesnt actually drive that rig anywhere...thats worse than having blocks in the front...damn..thats hella scary

hurley842002 · 07-02-2008, 09:06 PM

Holy crap. Tires are kinda weenie for all that room. He needs the new 54" boggers. All I have to say is amazing!!

4Crawler · 07-03-2008, 06:17 AM

I've run 3.5" longer than stock shackles up front for years with no pinion or caster angle issues. I did that partly to counter the effects of a 2.5" front spring hanger drop up front. Shackles are braced and work fine on- and off-road:

- http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/4R_suspe...ideBodyShackle
- http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTri...ringHangerDrop

Of course w/o the front hanger drop, you would be seeing about 1 degree of pinion and/or caster angle changer per extra inch of shackle length:
- http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/ForSale/...es.shtml#FAQ12

Al's Chop Shop · 07-03-2008, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeathCougar

Jeeps benefit from longer shackles, since their shackles are in the front thus pointing the pinion up towards the Tcase.

well, at least until you loose all caster and your steeringwheel doesn't return to center.... :o

like everyone else said... couple inches above stock is all you want. the longer the shackle the more lateral movement your springs will move. SCARY!

Al

fillsrunner4 · 07-03-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by drew303

I dunno, my truck isnt squirly at all. I say bigger the shackles the better.

*seriously, not my rig, and shackles upfront change the caster angle, so you can't really go very big otherwise you mess up your caster bad which is dangerous.

BTW looks to me hes not running big shackles but huge drop brakets

DeathCougar · 07-03-2008, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al's Chop Shop

well, at least until you loose all caster and your steeringwheel doesn't return to center.... :o

Well thats perfect then! Jeeps that don't drive straight for guys who dont live straight!

Blizzard · 07-03-2008, 01:15 PM

galloway · 07-03-2008, 01:30 PM

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ya i dont like the way that truck looks thats just wtf

fillsrunner4 · 07-03-2008, 01:32 PM

I think he wants to drive through the ocean or somthing

galloway · 07-03-2008, 01:39 PM

dude he can go through that big ass puddle that i killed my truck in

84 yota ex-cab · 07-03-2008, 10:19 PM

You can get a set of shims for the front axle when you put in a longer shackle to correct the pinion angle. I had 6 degree shims in my 84 when i went 3 inches longer in the front but i also had 4 inch springs.

ChickN · 07-04-2008, 05:58 PM

do you put the shims underneath your leaf springs?

84 yota ex-cab · 07-04-2008, 11:21 PM

Ya, you put them between the spring and the axle with the tall part to the front and it will turn your axle back up.

07-02-2008, 08:04 PM	#1 (permalink)
ChickN Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Vancouver, WA Posts: 43	BIGGEST Shackles EVER!!!!! just wanting to see what are the biggest shackles people are running in the front of their rigs!!! i have heard that you dont want to go bigger than 2 inches of lift but i was thinkin of goin 3 inches of lift on my 1st gen! anyone got any wisdom!

07-02-2008, 08:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
ChickN Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Vancouver, WA Posts: 43	what do you think would happen tho. would it be hella squirrly on road? i would only probly run it for a few months! Last edited by ChickN : 07-02-2008 at 08:17 PM.

07-02-2008, 08:18 PM	#4 (permalink)
hurley842002 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 332	I had an International scout II that had some very long shackles on it when I bought it, must have been about 5 inches. It was very very squirly. I would not recommend anything much longer than factory. __________________ 1986 4runner 31" mt's aftermarket shackles Custom front bumper/winch Light bar/auxilary lighting Rear Detroit future mods: 33's maybe 35's, 5.29's, Rear bumper with tire/jerry can,highlift mounts, sliders. Conquer with the IFS until I can't conquer anymore and then do an SAS.

07-02-2008, 08:54 PM	#5 (permalink)
drew303 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 1,493	I dunno, my truck isnt squirly at all. I say bigger the shackles the better. *seriously, not my rig, and shackles upfront change the caster angle, so you can't really go very big otherwise you mess up your caster bad which is dangerous. __________________ 1987 Toyota P/U 4x4 pics/info

07-02-2008, 08:58 PM	#7 (permalink)
camo31"10.50" Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Vian, OK Posts: 646	WTF!!!!???!?!?!?!? ....PLEASE tell me that guy doesnt actually drive that rig anywhere...thats worse than having blocks in the front...damn..thats hella scary __________________ 1986 Toyota 4x4 extra cab pickup stock 22R 5spd with 35,000 miles on a complete rebuild pushin 200PSI in every cylinder...31x10.50 swamper TSL's (muddin shoes) Kelly Safari SUV (street shoes) 1980 Toyota 4x4 20R/L43 combo not in the best of shape...but gets me wherever the '86 wont.. :)...still not sure if i want to part with it just yet..(FOR SALE!)

07-02-2008, 09:06 PM	#8 (permalink)
hurley842002 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 332	Holy crap. Tires are kinda weenie for all that room. He needs the new 54" boggers. All I have to say is amazing!! __________________ 1986 4runner 31" mt's aftermarket shackles Custom front bumper/winch Light bar/auxilary lighting Rear Detroit future mods: 33's maybe 35's, 5.29's, Rear bumper with tire/jerry can,highlift mounts, sliders. Conquer with the IFS until I can't conquer anymore and then do an SAS.

07-03-2008, 06:17 AM	#9 (permalink)
4Crawler Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 6,211	I've run 3.5" longer than stock shackles up front for years with no pinion or caster angle issues. I did that partly to counter the effects of a 2.5" front spring hanger drop up front. Shackles are braced and work fine on- and off-road: - http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/4R_suspe...ideBodyShackle - http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTri...ringHangerDrop Of course w/o the front hanger drop, you would be seeing about 1 degree of pinion and/or caster angle changer per extra inch of shackle length: - http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/ForSale/...es.shtml#FAQ12 __________________ 1985 Toyota 4Runner SR-5, 22REC engine, dual t-cases, 4.88 gears, dual ARBs, 33x10.50 BFGs. r.c.brown@ieee.org TruckEditor@tlca.org Project: 4Crawler 4Crawler OffRoad Gettin'Off 4WD Club

07-03-2008, 01:15 PM	#13 (permalink)
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07-03-2008, 01:32 PM	#15 (permalink)
fillsrunner4 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Sammamish, wa Posts: 2,363	I think he wants to drive through the ocean or somthing __________________ 94' toyota 4runner (Many a change!) purchased bone stock, NOW... SAS, 37x14" Iroks, Rear Leafs, 5.29's , Air locked front, Welded rear, 4.3L, Chevy V6 , 5spd swapped, dual T/C's MC10R10, flatbelly with custom skids, sliders, and so much more. Might as well start reading this if ya want know more Fillsrunner4 3.4crawler Build Thread Fillsrunner4.3 crawler (Part Two) build thread

07-03-2008, 10:19 PM	#17 (permalink)
84 yota ex-cab Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 80	You can get a set of shims for the front axle when you put in a longer shackle to correct the pinion angle. I had 6 degree shims in my 84 when i went 3 inches longer in the front but i also had 4 inch springs. __________________ 89 toyota 4x4 ex-cab 22re 5 speed header flowmaster 31's

07-04-2008, 05:58 PM	#18 (permalink)
ChickN Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Vancouver, WA Posts: 43	do you put the shims underneath your leaf springs?

07-04-2008, 11:21 PM	#19 (permalink)
84 yota ex-cab Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 80	Ya, you put them between the spring and the axle with the tall part to the front and it will turn your axle back up. __________________ 89 toyota 4x4 ex-cab 22re 5 speed header flowmaster 31's