ARB front or rear

muddpigg · 12-28-2008, 08:49 PM

Guess what I scored today, ARB w/4:88 in a V6 dif. So for you guys with selectibles please share you opinions. I'll have one so place it in the front or the rear, opposite will be an autolocker. Thanks.

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ozziesironmanoffroad · 12-28-2008, 09:19 PM

id say leave the autolocker out and put the ARB in the rear. or... if u r gonna use the autolocker regardless, put the arb up front. you dont want an autolocker up front most of the time... LOL...

tc · 12-28-2008, 10:11 PM

What kind of rig and how do you use it?

Ever have to drive on snowy roads?

AxleIke · 12-28-2008, 10:25 PM

First choice is a second ARB.

last resort: Auto locker rear.

**Tofer** · 12-28-2008, 10:27 PM

i'd put the arb in the front unless you plan on getting arb for both.

muddpigg · 12-28-2008, 11:40 PM

[/color]Well I wasn't planning on getting this ARB the price was just too good to say no. I've got twin sticks in the rear t-case, but that isn't always all that easy to shift out of 4x on windy trails. So some ARB questions:

How quickly does it deactivate? Found answer
How quickly does it activate? Found answer
Once activated is it like a spool, meaning no threshold to spin a tire faster?Found answer

As for snow, theres always 4x so how the auto acts in the rear doesn't bother me. It just seems that having it in the rear would help my steering as constant equal force to both rear tires seems to push me straight in the mud even with the front wheels turned.

The more I search, the more I'm leaning to ARB rear/auto front. One goal of my rig has been to keep it a DD, not that the Locrite is that hard on the drivetrain why not just eliminate all strain? Plus will make it a little more friendly for the wife to drive, but she more or less has learned to drive a 5spd with a Locrite.

Edit: answered some of my own questions with search.

TrikeKid · 12-29-2008, 01:28 AM

I'd go ARB in the front and weld the rear, I'm planning on swapping my detroit to the front and welding the rear of mine eventually. Need to actually get it so I can wheel before I make the final call, as pulling the front 3rd is about my least favorite thing to do.

muddpigg · 12-29-2008, 01:55 AM

Not going to weld tires cost to much, I've already got two other autolocker thirds. One Locrite ZUK setup and one Aussie Odie setup (he's right around the corner from you)

NorCrawler · 12-29-2008, 08:05 AM

why is it bad to have lockers in the snow?

874runnersr5 · 12-29-2008, 09:19 AM

because it'll lock up and kick you out everywhere

tc · 12-29-2008, 09:21 AM

Because a lot of times, there isn't enough traction to overcome the ratcheting, so it acts spooled and won't turn (or oversteers/drifts like crazy).

In deep snow offroad, lockers are great.

If the truck is regularly driven on the road, and you don't deal with snow very much, and especially if other people are going to drive your truck, I x2 your thought of ARB in the rear. That way, daily driving, it's essentially stock and you never have to worry about the "quirks" putting your wife (or you) in the ditch.

NorCrawler · 12-30-2008, 08:38 PM

guess im going with some hella expensive ARBs..... damn it

Al's Chop Shop · 12-31-2008, 06:16 PM

selectable in the front.

Al

muddpigg · 01-04-2009, 06:41 PM

After much thought and input I'm placing it in the rear. Think thats the best configuration to suit my needs.

874runnersr5 · 01-04-2009, 10:28 PM

Yeah i plan on doing the same, just need to save up for the bugger!
so expensive..

muddpigg · 01-04-2009, 10:34 PM

Watch the classified post I found mine used for a song with compressor, wiring, and tubing.

Matt16 · 01-09-2009, 01:35 AM

Totally do the front. Given the understeer from being in 4wd and trying to steer in on very slippery roads with open diffs is enough for me to not want a lunchbox up front. The rear selectable, in case you haven't driven like that, I've found to be quite manageable to a point where i would let most people drive my truck in the snow as long as they kept it in 4wd. I can't say I notice my locker in my 30 mile city commute, the only time its noticeable is in the parking garage.

Nice score by the way.

GSGALLANT · 01-09-2009, 06:39 AM

What are you running in the front for diff/axles? I thought ARB lockers for the rear Toyota axles were different than those for the front? For sure they are different for IFS.

Do you know what the part number of the locker you're getting is?

mrmatson · 01-09-2009, 08:49 AM

I have to agree with Matt16, the auto locker in my truck has never caused me any undo stress, and with the selectable in the front the truck will still turn in 4wd.

12-28-2008, 09:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
ozziesironmanoffroad Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Spring Valley, CA Posts: 5,643	id say leave the autolocker out and put the ARB in the rear. or... if u r gonna use the autolocker regardless, put the arb up front. you dont want an autolocker up front most of the time... LOL... __________________ The 22r series engines are made from the fires of hell, and will fight tooth and nail to not be sent back. 1988 Toyota P/U 4x4 22re, 1200 miles on the rebuild engine builder .268 cam pioneer CD deck 31x10.50x15 BFG A/T BAJA 100W lights on prerunner bumper KC Daylighters 100W rancho rs5000 MUD IS A VALID PAINT JOB! If not living life to the fullest, why live it? my trucks official buildup thread

12-28-2008, 10:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
tc Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 8,327	What kind of rig and how do you use it? Ever have to drive on snowy roads? __________________ Check out www.coTTORA.org to hook up with great Toyota 'wheelin' folks! Current - 93 4Runner: 3VZ 33"x10.50" no lift ARB F/R 96 Impala SS: My own personal cop car Previous - 89 2WD Pickup 22R, Fabtech "Ivan Dan" lift, 31x10.50, IASCA World Finals 4th Place Stop with the mods and get on the trail! Pix at www.4wheelingoh.shutterfly.com/action

12-28-2008, 10:25 PM	#4 (permalink)
AxleIke Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 4,848	First choice is a second ARB. last resort: Auto locker rear. __________________ 1987 Mutant 4runner. -Lifts and Tires look cool at the Mall, Lockers and Gears look cool on the trail.

12-28-2008, 10:27 PM	#5 (permalink)
Tofer Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Tacoma WA. Posts: 6,846	i'd put the arb in the front unless you plan on getting arb for both. __________________ 94 4runenr: all the good stuff....... 89 4runner: 3.0, Auto, 5.29 lockright f/r. 31x10.5 wildcountry ATs. 81 2wd pickup: 22R \| 5-sp \| long bed \|Civic SI seats \| LockRight \| Hella 500s pacific-crawlers.com For all your Trail-gear and HID lighting Solutions Needs check out yotaworks.com Online store coming soon :)

12-28-2008, 11:40 PM	#6 (permalink)
muddpigg Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: injured and stateside :( Posts: 1,254	[/color]Well I wasn't planning on getting this ARB the price was just too good to say no. I've got twin sticks in the rear t-case, but that isn't always all that easy to shift out of 4x on windy trails. So some ARB questions: How quickly does it deactivate? Found answer How quickly does it activate? Found answer Once activated is it like a spool, meaning no threshold to spin a tire faster?Found answer As for snow, theres always 4x so how the auto acts in the rear doesn't bother me. It just seems that having it in the rear would help my steering as constant equal force to both rear tires seems to push me straight in the mud even with the front wheels turned. The more I search, the more I'm leaning to ARB rear/auto front. One goal of my rig has been to keep it a DD, not that the Locrite is that hard on the drivetrain why not just eliminate all strain? Plus will make it a little more friendly for the wife to drive, but she more or less has learned to drive a 5spd with a Locrite. Edit: answered some of my own questions with search. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqtr_RvR3sY Last edited by muddpigg; 12-29-2008 at 01:50 AM.

12-29-2008, 01:28 AM	#7 (permalink)
TrikeKid Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Roy, WA Posts: 325	I'd go ARB in the front and weld the rear, I'm planning on swapping my detroit to the front and welding the rear of mine eventually. Need to actually get it so I can wheel before I make the final call, as pulling the front 3rd is about my least favorite thing to do. __________________ '85 Xtra Cab Knobbly tires and such things.

12-29-2008, 01:55 AM	#8 (permalink)
muddpigg Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: injured and stateside :( Posts: 1,254	Not going to weld tires cost to much, I've already got two other autolocker thirds. One Locrite ZUK setup and one Aussie Odie setup (he's right around the corner from you) __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqtr_RvR3sY

12-29-2008, 08:05 AM	#9 (permalink)
NorCrawler Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NorCal Posts: 359	why is it bad to have lockers in the snow? __________________ NOR*CAL ---1989 Single Cab Pick Up - Has to much to list. It's ALL HERE ---> http://www.yotatech.com/f86/i-love-m...rawler-146975/ ---1984 Ford Ranger 2WD Flatbed Prerunner - Hit 3 Trees - Pending Life - It's ALL HERE ---> http://www.yotatech.com/f5/project-d...runner-148316/

12-29-2008, 09:19 AM	#10 (permalink)
874runnersr5 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Calgary, AB Canaduh Posts: 2,744	because it'll lock up and kick you out everywhere __________________ 87' 4runner Sr5 : 22re : 5spd : 32x11.5 BGF Km2 : Cragar 15x8 soft 8s : TG Rock Defense Front Bumper : Sirius radio : Optima Red Top : Pioneer system : Engnbldr tchain kit : Downey 3" leafs : Diff breather : Tube doors : Bikini Top Calgary Toyota Association I <3 my Toyota

12-29-2008, 09:21 AM	#11 (permalink)
tc Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 8,327	Because a lot of times, there isn't enough traction to overcome the ratcheting, so it acts spooled and won't turn (or oversteers/drifts like crazy). In deep snow offroad, lockers are great. If the truck is regularly driven on the road, and you don't deal with snow very much, and especially if other people are going to drive your truck, I x2 your thought of ARB in the rear. That way, daily driving, it's essentially stock and you never have to worry about the "quirks" putting your wife (or you) in the ditch. __________________ Check out www.coTTORA.org to hook up with great Toyota 'wheelin' folks! Current - 93 4Runner: 3VZ 33"x10.50" no lift ARB F/R 96 Impala SS: My own personal cop car Previous - 89 2WD Pickup 22R, Fabtech "Ivan Dan" lift, 31x10.50, IASCA World Finals 4th Place Stop with the mods and get on the trail! Pix at www.4wheelingoh.shutterfly.com/action

12-30-2008, 08:38 PM	#12 (permalink)
NorCrawler Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NorCal Posts: 359	guess im going with some hella expensive ARBs..... damn it __________________ NOR*CAL ---1989 Single Cab Pick Up - Has to much to list. It's ALL HERE ---> http://www.yotatech.com/f86/i-love-m...rawler-146975/ ---1984 Ford Ranger 2WD Flatbed Prerunner - Hit 3 Trees - Pending Life - It's ALL HERE ---> http://www.yotatech.com/f5/project-d...runner-148316/

12-31-2008, 06:16 PM	#13 (permalink)
Al's Chop Shop Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 607	selectable in the front. Al __________________ 81 Toyota pickup 22r, 5spd, 4x4, longbed on 33's... custom suspension in the works. 79 Cherokee Chief Widetrack "Kronk" TBI350, SM465, NP205, Hydraulic clutch, Hydroboost, Custom aluminum radiator, Flowtech headers, SOA D44HD w/ Hi-steer, D60, 36" TSL/SX's, LED tail conversion... 91 Chevy K1500 - The Hauler TBI350, built 700r4, NP241, awaiting 4" lift... 90 XJ - 5.5" lift, 33's, bushwhacker cutouts, sliders, bumpers, winch... 08 Mazda CX9 - Zoom-Zoom!

01-04-2009, 06:41 PM	#14 (permalink)
muddpigg Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: injured and stateside :( Posts: 1,254	After much thought and input I'm placing it in the rear. Think thats the best configuration to suit my needs. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqtr_RvR3sY

01-04-2009, 10:28 PM	#15 (permalink)
874runnersr5 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Calgary, AB Canaduh Posts: 2,744	Yeah i plan on doing the same, just need to save up for the bugger! so expensive.. __________________ 87' 4runner Sr5 : 22re : 5spd : 32x11.5 BGF Km2 : Cragar 15x8 soft 8s : TG Rock Defense Front Bumper : Sirius radio : Optima Red Top : Pioneer system : Engnbldr tchain kit : Downey 3" leafs : Diff breather : Tube doors : Bikini Top Calgary Toyota Association I <3 my Toyota

01-04-2009, 10:34 PM	#16 (permalink)
muddpigg Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: injured and stateside :( Posts: 1,254	Watch the classified post I found mine used for a song with compressor, wiring, and tubing. __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqtr_RvR3sY

01-09-2009, 06:39 AM	#18 (permalink)
GSGALLANT Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 1,753	What are you running in the front for diff/axles? I thought ARB lockers for the rear Toyota axles were different than those for the front? For sure they are different for IFS. Do you know what the part number of the locker you're getting is? __________________ 2002 4Runner, Auto-A340F, 3.4L, 4.30 Gears TJM T15 Front Bumper & Warn M8000, 4xInnovation sliders, Sonoran Steel 1.2 Lift, Toytec LCA Skids, Tundra Brake Upgrade (231mm), Extended rear diff breather, Deckplate Mod, Andymod, Dual batt setup with Optima blue top aux battery, Hardwired 1000W inverter, Aux fuse box, Full time power to 12V plugs, Yaesu FT7800R Radio, "4-air" system for airing up/down tires. 2004 Camry LE - stock (and will stay that way) 1993 4Runner has been sold

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