4" with Hi-Steer???

ChickN · 06-06-2008, 08:18 AM

hey guys...im piecing a lift kit for 80 toy and was wondering if i was to throw the 4" lift springs i have along w/ some 33' will i need to do the brake lines, gears, hi steer and all that good stuff at the same time...i was planning on waiting but i just want it up now....and is 33's w/ a 4" lift wierd or should i be running 35's???

4Crawler · 06-06-2008, 08:34 AM

Can probably make it work stock, brake lines will either need to be extended up front or at least relocate the hard line brackets. The overall package won't work really well until to do the rest of the mods (gears, steering,etc.).

4rnr · 06-06-2008, 09:09 AM

It will work. Of course if you have to do the brake lines do them its cheap/free.

33's are way small, Im running 37's on less than 4" and plan to go to a 38 or 39"

But I do wheel with a guy who went with a 4" lift....then gears...then Hi-steer...then 33''s....duals. I always encourage this type of building because not only does it make you a better driver but it allows you to see and experiance the differences each mod makes. If you want to talk to him he is tonyota on Ih8mud.com

ChickN · 06-06-2008, 10:42 PM

thanks guys...so what would you say i should put on first????

4Crawler · 06-06-2008, 10:47 PM

Well, you need the lift first, otherwise no way to fit the taller tires nor to fit the crossover steering in there (it takes 3"-4" to clear the frame and springs). On my '85, I did lift+tires+gears+lockers in the first round then crossover steering later.

ChickN · 06-07-2008, 08:08 AM

what i really want to do is run 35's but i cant afford to do my gears for another month or so which is why i was thinking about just getting 33's...i have the lift springs and the tires on the way. so you think if i can plug out the money for lockers and gears along w/ what i have i can live w/o crossover for a little while(couple months)???

4Crawler · 06-07-2008, 08:16 AM

I ran a few years w/o crossover steering. Depending on the lift, you might need to do a dropped drag link or something to make the steering work OK.

Blizzard · 06-07-2008, 10:02 AM

Why not leave the tires for the last? Lift it, gear and lock it and then add some 35's or 37's...

David

ChickN · 06-08-2008, 02:33 PM

i think i might just wait...i went wheelin yesterday it walked all over the stuff my jeep got stuck int or had trouble with...very impressed....oh..and is the 8" rear end a posi...cuz i noticed the rears would be posi quite a bit and i know it doesnt have a locker cuz it doesnt act like it on the road!

loacyota · 06-08-2008, 02:42 PM

If the rear hasnt been touched then it is open. You should be able to run 35s with the stock 4.10 gears. wont be an animal but it will work. I just got done doing my cross over steering. havnt taken it out yet, but I wheeled with the old push pull box for a while and it worked, I bent the bar a couple of times, but no big deal. With the crossover you can eventually add hydro assist 2.

ChickN · 06-10-2008, 08:16 AM

what is hydro assist???

4Crawler · 06-10-2008, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChickN

what is hydro assist???

Short for hydraulic assist, basically tap into the power steering box for high pressure fluid and feed that into a hydraulic ram attached between the axle housing and the tie rod:

Basically lets you spin the steering wheel with the palm of your hand at any time, moving, stopped, on or off road, in the biggest rocks, makes no difference. More info:
- http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTri...html#Hydraulic

YeloSub7 · 06-10-2008, 10:33 AM

and if you are talking about a 4" lift from say superlift or procrap, this is a more true 4" lift than what 4rnr has (marlin 4" SAS is more like 5 or 6" lift). You can fit hi-steer with that fine. To fit 35's with that lift, maybe go a little longer shackle. And brake lines will be a must.

ChickN · 06-15-2008, 08:57 PM

question......

ChickN · 06-15-2008, 09:01 PM

will 35x12.5r15 bfg mud terrains fit 15x8 wheels ok???? and i got brake lines from the junk yard and am just gunna hook those up to extend them!

ocdropzone · 06-15-2008, 09:26 PM

yes 35x12.50's will work on 15x8's. I am running 33x15's on 15x8's. my guess it that it is probably one of the most common combinations...
I would just recommend you keep on eye on the junkyard brake lines...

ChickN · 06-25-2008, 11:14 PM

so got the back up today....w/ 35's...wow...how bad azz is this!!!! i know you guys cant tell but i got this huge cheesy smile on my face right now...finishing the rest tomorrow. i have a downy 4 inch lift...i believe the front springs are 3 inches but what do you guys think they actually are???

06-06-2008, 08:18 AM	#1 (permalink)
ChickN Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Vancouver, WA Posts: 43	4" with Hi-Steer??? hey guys...im piecing a lift kit for 80 toy and was wondering if i was to throw the 4" lift springs i have along w/ some 33' will i need to do the brake lines, gears, hi steer and all that good stuff at the same time...i was planning on waiting but i just want it up now....and is 33's w/ a 4" lift wierd or should i be running 35's???

06-06-2008, 08:34 AM	#2 (permalink)
4Crawler Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 6,211	Can probably make it work stock, brake lines will either need to be extended up front or at least relocate the hard line brackets. The overall package won't work really well until to do the rest of the mods (gears, steering,etc.). __________________ 1985 Toyota 4Runner SR-5, 22REC engine, dual t-cases, 4.88 gears, dual ARBs, 33x10.50 BFGs. r.c.brown@ieee.org TruckEditor@tlca.org Project: 4Crawler 4Crawler OffRoad Gettin'Off 4WD Club

06-06-2008, 09:09 AM	#3 (permalink)
4rnr Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Plainfield, IL Posts: 1,175	It will work. Of course if you have to do the brake lines do them its cheap/free. 33's are way small, Im running 37's on less than 4" and plan to go to a 38 or 39" But I do wheel with a guy who went with a 4" lift....then gears...then Hi-steer...then 33''s....duals. I always encourage this type of building because not only does it make you a better driver but it allows you to see and experiance the differences each mod makes. If you want to talk to him he is tonyota on Ih8mud.com __________________ poop 1988 stock 4runner, v6, 5spd, soft top. 1990 fj62 stock and mint! 1992 4runner, 3.4, auto, SAS'ed, Marlin USA springs (4"/5"), 37" PBR's, 30 spline Longfields, Hydro assist, dual inchworms (5:1, twin stick, 23 spline, chromo output, 10* clock) 5.29's, lockrite's, custom exo, custom snorkle, High angle drivelines drive shafts, 108" wheelbase, Warn hs9500i, Electronic shifters by AWshifting, Mcintosh/Dynaudio a/v system. The build up...http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=74915

06-06-2008, 10:47 PM	#5 (permalink)
4Crawler Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 6,211	Well, you need the lift first, otherwise no way to fit the taller tires nor to fit the crossover steering in there (it takes 3"-4" to clear the frame and springs). On my '85, I did lift+tires+gears+lockers in the first round then crossover steering later. __________________ 1985 Toyota 4Runner SR-5, 22REC engine, dual t-cases, 4.88 gears, dual ARBs, 33x10.50 BFGs. r.c.brown@ieee.org TruckEditor@tlca.org Project: 4Crawler 4Crawler OffRoad Gettin'Off 4WD Club

06-07-2008, 08:16 AM	#7 (permalink)
4Crawler Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Posts: 6,211	I ran a few years w/o crossover steering. Depending on the lift, you might need to do a dropped drag link or something to make the steering work OK. __________________ 1985 Toyota 4Runner SR-5, 22REC engine, dual t-cases, 4.88 gears, dual ARBs, 33x10.50 BFGs. r.c.brown@ieee.org TruckEditor@tlca.org Project: 4Crawler 4Crawler OffRoad Gettin'Off 4WD Club

06-06-2008, 10:42 PM	#4 (permalink)
ChickN Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Vancouver, WA Posts: 43	thanks guys...so what would you say i should put on first????

06-07-2008, 08:08 AM	#6 (permalink)
ChickN Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Vancouver, WA Posts: 43	what i really want to do is run 35's but i cant afford to do my gears for another month or so which is why i was thinking about just getting 33's...i have the lift springs and the tires on the way. so you think if i can plug out the money for lockers and gears along w/ what i have i can live w/o crossover for a little while(couple months)???

06-07-2008, 10:02 AM	#8 (permalink)
Blizzard Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Barcelona (Spain) Posts: 871	Why not leave the tires for the last? Lift it, gear and lock it and then add some 35's or 37's... David __________________ '94 Toyota 4Runner 3.0 Turbo Diesel Intercooler – Trail-Gear 4'' SAS front, Trail-Gear 5'' rear leaves swap, 35x12.5x15 M/T's and too many things more to write...

06-08-2008, 02:33 PM	#9 (permalink)
ChickN Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Vancouver, WA Posts: 43	i think i might just wait...i went wheelin yesterday it walked all over the stuff my jeep got stuck int or had trouble with...very impressed....oh..and is the 8" rear end a posi...cuz i noticed the rears would be posi quite a bit and i know it doesnt have a locker cuz it doesnt act like it on the road!

06-08-2008, 02:42 PM	#10 (permalink)
loacyota Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Tampa Florida Posts: 68	If the rear hasnt been touched then it is open. You should be able to run 35s with the stock 4.10 gears. wont be an animal but it will work. I just got done doing my cross over steering. havnt taken it out yet, but I wheeled with the old push pull box for a while and it worked, I bent the bar a couple of times, but no big deal. With the crossover you can eventually add hydro assist 2.

06-10-2008, 08:16 AM	#11 (permalink)
ChickN Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Vancouver, WA Posts: 43	what is hydro assist???

06-10-2008, 10:33 AM	#13 (permalink)
YeloSub7 Contributing Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 860	and if you are talking about a 4" lift from say superlift or procrap, this is a more true 4" lift than what 4rnr has (marlin 4" SAS is more like 5 or 6" lift). You can fit hi-steer with that fine. To fit 35's with that lift, maybe go a little longer shackle. And brake lines will be a must. __________________ -Jake 1990 4Runner <> 1990 Toyota 4Runner-22RE-5 speed-TG 3" front/4" rear-33's-4.88's-rear LSD-front TruTrac-MC Rear Bumper-TG DOM Sliders! SAS Build-Up Old Rigs: '85 4Runner (RIP) '95 4Runner (sold)

06-15-2008, 08:57 PM	#14 (permalink)
ChickN Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Vancouver, WA Posts: 43	question...... Last edited by ChickN : 06-15-2008 at 09:02 PM.

06-15-2008, 09:01 PM	#15 (permalink)
ChickN Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Vancouver, WA Posts: 43	will 35x12.5r15 bfg mud terrains fit 15x8 wheels ok???? and i got brake lines from the junk yard and am just gunna hook those up to extend them!

06-15-2008, 09:26 PM	#16 (permalink)
ocdropzone Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: PDX Posts: 2,747	yes 35x12.50's will work on 15x8's. I am running 33x15's on 15x8's. my guess it that it is probably one of the most common combinations... I would just recommend you keep on eye on the junkyard brake lines... __________________ ~Robb '81 Trekker SR5 B4Runner Build '89 Tercel Project POS Gas Saver '05 Camry 'Wife's curb destroyer' '03 Tahoe Family Truckster/Tow Rig TREKKER Forum LINK TO ONLINE FACTORY SERVICE MANUALS All Toyota Website Search Engine Wheel Responsibly, Don't screw it up for others...

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06-25-2008, 11:14 PM	#17 (permalink)
ChickN Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Vancouver, WA Posts: 43	so got the back up today....w/ 35's...wow...how bad azz is this!!!! i know you guys cant tell but i got this huge cheesy smile on my face right now...finishing the rest tomorrow. i have a downy 4 inch lift...i believe the front springs are 3 inches but what do you guys think they actually are???