This a good deal for an 80 series?

DH6twinotter · 09-20-2006, 03:10 PM

Hey all.

A friend of mine is looking at getting an 80 series. It's a '97 with lockers. He can get it for $4000 from the dealer. It's in great shape (driven by an old lady) except for a couple of dings on the door. Here's the catch: it's got 280k on it and has a leaking rear main seal, needs front wheel bearings, and has a leaking rear diff. Other than that though, it's in great shape.

What do you all think?

Thanks!
Daniel

bob200587 · 09-20-2006, 03:13 PM

YES! I'd take it right now. That's not that much to fix.

firemedic · 09-20-2006, 03:40 PM

If in otherwise good shape, it is a decent deal. While those kind of miles are easily attained in a 80 series, it will probably need some engine work in the next 70k miles, if he racks up the miles, it won't be long before big $$$ are needed, if he doesn't put a lot of miles, it will be a while before he has to worry. I wouldn't have a problem picking up a 200k mi 80, but at 280k, I would just have the though of future engine problems, hanging over my head.

DH6twinotter · 09-20-2006, 06:03 PM

Thanks for the help! This section gets more traffic than I thought

Forgot to say that it is the 40th anniversity edition too. Not sure what is special about that though.

The high miles is kinda what has my buddy worried. But, he does his own work and is in the middle of a Gen III motor swap in his '93 MR2 turbo. So, he can do a lot of stuff.

How difficult is it to change out the rear seal? I know you have to pull the tranny and tcase, right? This doesn't really have him worried, except that it is probably pretty heavy and all he has is a floor jack and engine hoist.

Anyhow, thanks a bunch. Anymore thoughts?

CJM · 09-20-2006, 06:06 PM

4k is a bit much if you ask me, rear main seal isnt exactly cheap to do an neither are wheel bearings-which could also mean the rotors are out of round and need to be cut (such was the case with mine).

I say between 3200 to 3800 is more like it.

hawke · 09-20-2006, 08:40 PM

pictures?

Localmotion · 09-20-2006, 08:41 PM

try www.ih8mud.com

KyleT · 09-20-2006, 09:22 PM

no thats a terrible deal.
PM me the contact info for the dealer and ill talk to them about the price.

jjrgr21 · 09-20-2006, 09:31 PM

at kelly blue book, i put it in "fair" condition w/everything you said a private party value is $7,640, they only list retail in "excellent condition" and it was $11,780, and the excellent value for "private" was $9,385,
THIS and THIS
so the difference between the 2 is about 25% so if you add 25% to $7640 you get $9550 the approx. retail value for this rig in fair condition. best i can do. me, i would jump on it, but see if they go lower, it may be worth it.

firemedic · 09-20-2006, 09:45 PM

It is not worth $7k, no matter what the KBB says, IMHO.

40th Anniversary- basically has two tone seats, 40th anniversary badging, and a love/hate climate control, other than that, it is basically the same as any other 80.

DH6twinotter · 09-21-2006, 05:11 AM

Thanks guys. The dealer paid $3500 for it on a trade in, so they can't go much lower than $4000. I think they are allready giving my buddy a deal on it since he knows the owner of the dealership.

How much do lockers raise the value of an LC? He wants to do some moderate trails with the LC, so the lockers are pretty attractive.

Sorry no pics right now, but I'll see if he can get a few for you all.

Thanks!
Daniel

bamachem · 09-21-2006, 06:02 AM

if he wants to wheel it, then lockers should be a requirement for him.

that 80 is a heavy bitch. plan on 13 MPG if the engine runs like a top. expect less if it has bad O2 sensors.

to rebuild the front axle at the dealer is about $1200 IIRC. you can do it yourself for about $300-$400 depending on what you buy and where you buy it, but it's a hellova chore to do. the rear main is about the same price at a dealer, and you can do it for really the cost of the seal if you want to pull the trans and XF case yourself - which as you can imagine is a bear as well.

does it have dealer service records? any service records at all? just because it was "female driven" doesn't mean that it's in better shape either. little old ladies sometime forget to do the important stuff like fluid changes. then again, most of the time they're just suckered into doing twice the needed maintenance as required by unscrupulous dealers. the records will have alot to do with value.

if it has a long dealer service history, then i'd say that it should be worth it IF AND ONLY IF it's what he wants to wheel. if the history is questionable, then so is the price.

it's a big, HEAVY, slow bitch, but with lockers, it will still be an excellent wheeler. however, plan on dropping HUGE money for parts and/or lifts (the OME lift for an 80 is nearly a grand).

firemedic · 09-21-2006, 06:55 AM

OME lift is ~$750 (springs, shocks, castercorrection bushings, steering stabilizer), though you can replace just springs ($280) and use the original shocks and stabilizer.
I find my FZJ80 is quicker than my 2nd gen V6 4r was, but it is no race car

KyleT · 09-21-2006, 07:42 AM

OME?
go with the Slee 4"

DH6twinotter · 09-21-2006, 09:18 AM

Thanks! The LC does have all the service records. I think the majority of the work was done at the dealer.

My buddy would probably do all the repairs himself, although maybe not the rear seal.

He was thinking about wheeling a 4Runner for a bit instead of a LC, but he wants to also have something to tow his MR2 with. 13mph isn't that great.

jjrgr21 · 09-21-2006, 09:40 AM

it would be fair if they would give him a deal on doing the rear seal, i agree its not worth 7k, a ferrari with damn near 300k on it isn't worth 7k to me. but thats the blue book value, IMO i would consider it in POOR condition due to the seal, thats a pretty big issue. but 4k is fair, good solid rig, run it till the motor goes, then swap, the 5kt-te diesel is available, i guess it would swap.

BAZ · 09-28-2006, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DH6twinotter

13mph isn't that great.

Damn, yeah thats hella slow

Potomacduck · 10-02-2006, 11:53 AM

Tell him to price out a complete top end and low end rebuild for the motor and a transmision rebuild. They are looming in that vehicle's near future. Figure on 4 grand for a really good, factory parts engine rebuild and maybe another 1,500 to 2 thousand for the tranny. That's the beginning, who knows what else is getting ready to happen.

You could probably find the same rig with half the mileage for less than 10K. He will be money ahead to pay for quality up front.

DH6twinotter · 10-03-2006, 05:06 AM

Well, just an update for you all. My friend went ahead and bought the LC a few days ago. He said it is the best running vehicle he has ever purchased, even better than his '95 SC300. Doesn't even have any valve tap. It was a bit low on oil when he bought it, but it hasn't lost any since he added oil. I guess the oil leak isn't as bad as we first thought.

He allready has a trail ride up in northern VA planned in a couple of weeks.

Thanks for all the input!

DH6twinotter · 10-30-2006, 12:53 PM

Hey all,

We took the LC out for some light wheeling a couple of weekends ago. This LC drives great! Almost like it is brand new! The steering reaction time is a bit slower than my 4Runner, but otherwise, it was really nice.

I posted a few pics over in the trip report section: http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.p...91#post1025991

09-20-2006, 03:10 PM	#1 (permalink)
DH6twinotter Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Charlotte, North Carolina Posts: 1,676	This a good deal for an 80 series? Hey all. A friend of mine is looking at getting an 80 series. It's a '97 with lockers. He can get it for $4000 from the dealer. It's in great shape (driven by an old lady) except for a couple of dings on the door. Here's the catch: it's got 280k on it and has a leaking rear main seal, needs front wheel bearings, and has a leaking rear diff. Other than that though, it's in great shape. What do you all think? Thanks! Daniel __________________ ------------------------------------------------ 1990 4Runner: SR5, 2wd, 3.90 rear, 3VZ-E, auto. 15x8 MT classic II rims, 31x10.50 Bridgestone Desert Duellers ($50!), Cobra CB, 3' firestick Planned stuff: Pre-runner light bar with Hella 500s, small lift Stuff I'd do if I went crazy: SAS, 7mgte or 1UZ swap, and as much offroad goodies as $$ will allow.

09-20-2006, 03:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
bob200587 Contributing Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 2,802	YES! I'd take it right now. That's not that much to fix. __________________ 87 4runner 4x4 SR5 22RE ARB Bull Bar, 31X10.50 Mastercraft M/T's, Stock 4.10 Gears, Mellowtone Muffler AISIN Manual Hubs, Marlin Crawler Sliders 181XXX miles 92 Ford Ranger 4x2 4.0L 4 speed auto FOR SALE Needs Transmission And Head gasket work. Contact me for Details. Facebook "An Open Mind is Like a Fortress with its Gates Unbarred and Ungaurded." "There are two kinds of people in this world that go around beardless: boys and women, and I am neither one." -Greek saying

09-20-2006, 03:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
firemedic Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Camas, WA USA Posts: 545	If in otherwise good shape, it is a decent deal. While those kind of miles are easily attained in a 80 series, it will probably need some engine work in the next 70k miles, if he racks up the miles, it won't be long before big $$$ are needed, if he doesn't put a lot of miles, it will be a while before he has to worry. I wouldn't have a problem picking up a 200k mi 80, but at 280k, I would just have the though of future engine problems, hanging over my head. __________________ Ben Silva 96 Lexus LX450, 125k, front/rear OEM diff locks, CDL switch, Pin 7 mod, power points, wired 850w inverter, jdm "oh crap" bar, OME heavy (850/863) lift, 285/75/16 Cooper STT, spare tire lift mod 98 Lexus LX470, 135k, Britax car seat ;) TLCA member #14300 Camas, WA USA

09-20-2006, 06:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
DH6twinotter Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Charlotte, North Carolina Posts: 1,676	Thanks for the help! This section gets more traffic than I thought Forgot to say that it is the 40th anniversity edition too. Not sure what is special about that though. The high miles is kinda what has my buddy worried. But, he does his own work and is in the middle of a Gen III motor swap in his '93 MR2 turbo. So, he can do a lot of stuff. How difficult is it to change out the rear seal? I know you have to pull the tranny and tcase, right? This doesn't really have him worried, except that it is probably pretty heavy and all he has is a floor jack and engine hoist. Anyhow, thanks a bunch. Anymore thoughts? __________________ ------------------------------------------------ 1990 4Runner: SR5, 2wd, 3.90 rear, 3VZ-E, auto. 15x8 MT classic II rims, 31x10.50 Bridgestone Desert Duellers ($50!), Cobra CB, 3' firestick Planned stuff: Pre-runner light bar with Hella 500s, small lift Stuff I'd do if I went crazy: SAS, 7mgte or 1UZ swap, and as much offroad goodies as $$ will allow.

09-20-2006, 06:06 PM	#5 (permalink)
CJM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Central NJ Posts: 4,580	4k is a bit much if you ask me, rear main seal isnt exactly cheap to do an neither are wheel bearings-which could also mean the rotors are out of round and need to be cut (such was the case with mine). I say between 3200 to 3800 is more like it. __________________ 96' T100 SR5 4x4, ISR mod, Custom ABS snorkel, KC 57's Hella optilux el cheapo backup lights. Cobra 19III CB, Firestick 4ft antenna, Bilstein shocks. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

09-20-2006, 08:40 PM	#6 (permalink)
hawke Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada Posts: 25	pictures?

09-20-2006, 08:41 PM	#7 (permalink)
Localmotion Banned Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 7	try www.ih8mud.com

09-20-2006, 09:22 PM	#8 (permalink)
KyleT Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Fort Worth, TEXAS Posts: 1,092	no thats a terrible deal. PM me the contact info for the dealer and ill talk to them about the price. __________________ - Kyle Former Owner of - 1996 Sunfire Red Metallic 4Runner Limited updated 10/31/06 OEM/TRD Lift Kit #1 from Sonoran Steel with 1 Top-out spacer - Lexus GX470 rims - 295/70r17 Nitto Terra Grapplers Yukon 4.88's, E-Locked Rear, Waiting to blow up front diff #2

09-20-2006, 09:31 PM	#9 (permalink)
jjrgr21 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,414	at kelly blue book, i put it in "fair" condition w/everything you said a private party value is $7,640, they only list retail in "excellent condition" and it was $11,780, and the excellent value for "private" was $9,385, THIS and THIS so the difference between the 2 is about 25% so if you add 25% to $7640 you get $9550 the approx. retail value for this rig in fair condition. best i can do. me, i would jump on it, but see if they go lower, it may be worth it. __________________ 2003 4WD TRD Tacoma 1986 4Runner

09-20-2006, 09:45 PM	#10 (permalink)
firemedic Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Camas, WA USA Posts: 545	It is not worth $7k, no matter what the KBB says, IMHO. 40th Anniversary- basically has two tone seats, 40th anniversary badging, and a love/hate climate control, other than that, it is basically the same as any other 80. __________________ Ben Silva 96 Lexus LX450, 125k, front/rear OEM diff locks, CDL switch, Pin 7 mod, power points, wired 850w inverter, jdm "oh crap" bar, OME heavy (850/863) lift, 285/75/16 Cooper STT, spare tire lift mod 98 Lexus LX470, 135k, Britax car seat ;) TLCA member #14300 Camas, WA USA

09-21-2006, 05:11 AM	#11 (permalink)
DH6twinotter Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Charlotte, North Carolina Posts: 1,676	Thanks guys. The dealer paid $3500 for it on a trade in, so they can't go much lower than $4000. I think they are allready giving my buddy a deal on it since he knows the owner of the dealership. How much do lockers raise the value of an LC? He wants to do some moderate trails with the LC, so the lockers are pretty attractive. Sorry no pics right now, but I'll see if he can get a few for you all. Thanks! Daniel __________________ ------------------------------------------------ 1990 4Runner: SR5, 2wd, 3.90 rear, 3VZ-E, auto. 15x8 MT classic II rims, 31x10.50 Bridgestone Desert Duellers ($50!), Cobra CB, 3' firestick Planned stuff: Pre-runner light bar with Hella 500s, small lift Stuff I'd do if I went crazy: SAS, 7mgte or 1UZ swap, and as much offroad goodies as $$ will allow.

09-21-2006, 06:02 AM	#12 (permalink)
bamachem Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 20	if he wants to wheel it, then lockers should be a requirement for him. that 80 is a heavy bitch. plan on 13 MPG if the engine runs like a top. expect less if it has bad O2 sensors. to rebuild the front axle at the dealer is about $1200 IIRC. you can do it yourself for about $300-$400 depending on what you buy and where you buy it, but it's a hellova chore to do. the rear main is about the same price at a dealer, and you can do it for really the cost of the seal if you want to pull the trans and XF case yourself - which as you can imagine is a bear as well. does it have dealer service records? any service records at all? just because it was "female driven" doesn't mean that it's in better shape either. little old ladies sometime forget to do the important stuff like fluid changes. then again, most of the time they're just suckered into doing twice the needed maintenance as required by unscrupulous dealers. the records will have alot to do with value. if it has a long dealer service history, then i'd say that it should be worth it IF AND ONLY IF it's what he wants to wheel. if the history is questionable, then so is the price. it's a big, HEAVY, slow bitch, but with lockers, it will still be an excellent wheeler. however, plan on dropping HUGE money for parts and/or lifts (the OME lift for an 80 is nearly a grand). Last edited by bamachem : 09-21-2006 at 06:58 AM.

09-21-2006, 06:55 AM	#13 (permalink)
firemedic Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Camas, WA USA Posts: 545	OME lift is ~$750 (springs, shocks, castercorrection bushings, steering stabilizer), though you can replace just springs ($280) and use the original shocks and stabilizer. I find my FZJ80 is quicker than my 2nd gen V6 4r was, but it is no race car __________________ Ben Silva 96 Lexus LX450, 125k, front/rear OEM diff locks, CDL switch, Pin 7 mod, power points, wired 850w inverter, jdm "oh crap" bar, OME heavy (850/863) lift, 285/75/16 Cooper STT, spare tire lift mod 98 Lexus LX470, 135k, Britax car seat ;) TLCA member #14300 Camas, WA USA

09-21-2006, 07:42 AM	#14 (permalink)
KyleT Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Fort Worth, TEXAS Posts: 1,092	OME? go with the Slee 4" __________________ - Kyle Former Owner of - 1996 Sunfire Red Metallic 4Runner Limited updated 10/31/06 OEM/TRD Lift Kit #1 from Sonoran Steel with 1 Top-out spacer - Lexus GX470 rims - 295/70r17 Nitto Terra Grapplers Yukon 4.88's, E-Locked Rear, Waiting to blow up front diff #2

09-21-2006, 09:18 AM	#15 (permalink)
DH6twinotter Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Charlotte, North Carolina Posts: 1,676	Thanks! The LC does have all the service records. I think the majority of the work was done at the dealer. My buddy would probably do all the repairs himself, although maybe not the rear seal. He was thinking about wheeling a 4Runner for a bit instead of a LC, but he wants to also have something to tow his MR2 with. 13mph isn't that great. __________________ ------------------------------------------------ 1990 4Runner: SR5, 2wd, 3.90 rear, 3VZ-E, auto. 15x8 MT classic II rims, 31x10.50 Bridgestone Desert Duellers ($50!), Cobra CB, 3' firestick Planned stuff: Pre-runner light bar with Hella 500s, small lift Stuff I'd do if I went crazy: SAS, 7mgte or 1UZ swap, and as much offroad goodies as $$ will allow.

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09-21-2006, 09:40 AM	#16 (permalink)
jjrgr21 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,414	it would be fair if they would give him a deal on doing the rear seal, i agree its not worth 7k, a ferrari with damn near 300k on it isn't worth 7k to me. but thats the blue book value, IMO i would consider it in POOR condition due to the seal, thats a pretty big issue. but 4k is fair, good solid rig, run it till the motor goes, then swap, the 5kt-te diesel is available, i guess it would swap. __________________ 2003 4WD TRD Tacoma 1986 4Runner

10-02-2006, 11:53 AM	#18 (permalink)
Potomacduck Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Market, MD Posts: 100	Tell him to price out a complete top end and low end rebuild for the motor and a transmision rebuild. They are looming in that vehicle's near future. Figure on 4 grand for a really good, factory parts engine rebuild and maybe another 1,500 to 2 thousand for the tranny. That's the beginning, who knows what else is getting ready to happen. You could probably find the same rig with half the mileage for less than 10K. He will be money ahead to pay for quality up front.

10-03-2006, 05:06 AM	#19 (permalink)
DH6twinotter Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Charlotte, North Carolina Posts: 1,676	Well, just an update for you all. My friend went ahead and bought the LC a few days ago. He said it is the best running vehicle he has ever purchased, even better than his '95 SC300. Doesn't even have any valve tap. It was a bit low on oil when he bought it, but it hasn't lost any since he added oil. I guess the oil leak isn't as bad as we first thought. He allready has a trail ride up in northern VA planned in a couple of weeks. Thanks for all the input! __________________ ------------------------------------------------ 1990 4Runner: SR5, 2wd, 3.90 rear, 3VZ-E, auto. 15x8 MT classic II rims, 31x10.50 Bridgestone Desert Duellers ($50!), Cobra CB, 3' firestick Planned stuff: Pre-runner light bar with Hella 500s, small lift Stuff I'd do if I went crazy: SAS, 7mgte or 1UZ swap, and as much offroad goodies as $$ will allow.

10-30-2006, 12:53 PM	#20 (permalink)
DH6twinotter Contributing Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Charlotte, North Carolina Posts: 1,676	Hey all, We took the LC out for some light wheeling a couple of weekends ago. This LC drives great! Almost like it is brand new! The steering reaction time is a bit slower than my 4Runner, but otherwise, it was really nice. I posted a few pics over in the trip report section: http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.p...91#post1025991 __________________ ------------------------------------------------ 1990 4Runner: SR5, 2wd, 3.90 rear, 3VZ-E, auto. 15x8 MT classic II rims, 31x10.50 Bridgestone Desert Duellers ($50!), Cobra CB, 3' firestick Planned stuff: Pre-runner light bar with Hella 500s, small lift Stuff I'd do if I went crazy: SAS, 7mgte or 1UZ swap, and as much offroad goodies as $$ will allow.