winch cable snapping vid
04-26-2003, 08:37 AM
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winch cable snapping vid
Found this on ttora: www.willbchap.com/random/snap.avi
nobody was hurt. It's 9 meg, so it's not dialup friendly and as a consequence, I havent' seen it:cry:
nobody was hurt. It's 9 meg, so it's not dialup friendly and as a consequence, I havent' seen it:cry:
this is from us va boys last trip to the gwnf...that taco was not in our group...some local. we were winching. the cable was attached to a snatch block that was attached to a tow strap that went around the guy's frame. i dont need to be told how to winch...i know...this was not me winching so save it. the tow strap was actually the thing that broke. that sent the cable and snatch block hauling a$$ backwards and into the truck that was winching. thankfully, he has an ARB bumper and there wasnt even a scratch and noone was hurt. im taken the vid btw. yall just be careful when winching...this could have easily killed someone
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04-26-2003, 08:49 AM
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Dl'ing it now.
Took a while to connect to it.
The one on that Aussie video site I have posted a few times is a good one, but they slow the vid down and you can't make out what they are saying.
Oh man, just watched it.
It's like a gun going off.
Yes, this could have been fatal if someone was in the path of it.
This is a good reminder to practice safe recovery, and rig it the correct way.
Took a while to connect to it.
The one on that Aussie video site I have posted a few times is a good one, but they slow the vid down and you can't make out what they are saying.
Oh man, just watched it.
It's like a gun going off.
Yes, this could have been fatal if someone was in the path of it.
This is a good reminder to practice safe recovery, and rig it the correct way.
04-26-2003, 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by Corey
This is a good reminder to practice safe recovery, and rig it the correct way.
This is a good reminder to practice safe recovery, and rig it the correct way.
04-26-2003, 10:02 AM
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I don't have a lot of experience winching, but from what I have learned, you never use a strap on a rig and hook a winch line to it.
A strap is for use around a tree, then you hook your line to it.
A winch line as far as I know should only be hooked to the stuck rig via reliable anchor point such as a shackle in a front or rear bumper, or via reliable tow point on the rig that can withstand the pulling power put against it.
That Taco stuck in the water was probably to much weight for the strap wrapped around the frame, and it just gave out.
I think most 2" straps are rated at 20 K lb?
It would have been best if had a hitch shackle like mine here, or a custom rear bumper with shackle mounts on it like Rob's truck here.
I forget the shear force for the pin for the hitch mount like I have, but the shackles themselves vary in shank diameter and weight limit as seen here.
That would not have happened to that Tacoma if it had the proper recovery points on it.
Here is a cool pic I scanned in from when I got my winch that shows proper rigging techniques.
http://www.pnw4runners.net/tando/winching.jpg
Also a very good video to watch is the one on Ramsey's site.
It's 11.6 mb, and well worth the download.
http://www.ramsey.com/video/index.html
This link is also on our YotaTech on the web page.
A strap is for use around a tree, then you hook your line to it.
A winch line as far as I know should only be hooked to the stuck rig via reliable anchor point such as a shackle in a front or rear bumper, or via reliable tow point on the rig that can withstand the pulling power put against it.
That Taco stuck in the water was probably to much weight for the strap wrapped around the frame, and it just gave out.
I think most 2" straps are rated at 20 K lb?
It would have been best if had a hitch shackle like mine here, or a custom rear bumper with shackle mounts on it like Rob's truck here.
I forget the shear force for the pin for the hitch mount like I have, but the shackles themselves vary in shank diameter and weight limit as seen here.
That would not have happened to that Tacoma if it had the proper recovery points on it.
Here is a cool pic I scanned in from when I got my winch that shows proper rigging techniques.
http://www.pnw4runners.net/tando/winching.jpg
Also a very good video to watch is the one on Ramsey's site.
It's 11.6 mb, and well worth the download.
http://www.ramsey.com/video/index.html
This link is also on our YotaTech on the web page.
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04-26-2003, 10:16 AM
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Got it. Thanks guys...
So the issue is that the strap wrapped around the frame is just silly since it's canvas and can easily get cut. But, when used around a tree, then the load on the strap is dispersed around the girth of the tree, and there aren't any sharp edges (and thus extreme load points) to cut into the strap.
Makes sense.
Thanks!
So the issue is that the strap wrapped around the frame is just silly since it's canvas and can easily get cut. But, when used around a tree, then the load on the strap is dispersed around the girth of the tree, and there aren't any sharp edges (and thus extreme load points) to cut into the strap.
Makes sense.
Thanks!
04-26-2003, 12:49 PM
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I don't think its a good idea to hook directly to a nylon strap either. I think you are supposed to use a D shackle to hold the ends of the strap together and then hook to the shackle. The stock Warn hook can cut through nylon straps on a heavy pull. Maybe the fancy other hooks out there are designed to hook to nylon straps, not mine.
I only hook to metal. Either tow hook, D-shackle, steel chain or truck frame. Never ever hook the hook to the cable or synth winch line.
I only hook to metal. Either tow hook, D-shackle, steel chain or truck frame. Never ever hook the hook to the cable or synth winch line.
04-26-2003, 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by Cebby
WOW! Sign me up for synthetic winch cable when I get a winch. Can you buy winches without steel cable?
WOW! Sign me up for synthetic winch cable when I get a winch. Can you buy winches without steel cable?
To answer the question... No, at least not from Warn. I really doubt any other manufacturers offer winches with anything but steel cable either.
04-26-2003, 06:57 PM
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Also.. snatch/tow straps are made for an bounding pull.. a quick snack to streach and back down again.. hooking it with winch gives it a constant preasure on the strap.. If you look into it you may be able to find that tree savers are not tow straps and are made difrently for a difrent use than a snatch strap..
04-26-2003, 08:58 PM
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I was there and experienced it LIVE and let me tell you that video is nothing like the real thing.
The strap failed. It was wrapped around the rear part of the frame a couple of times and then both ends where connected to the snatch block (pulley) with a shackle. The strap ripped right in half and BANG. The second BANG was the snatch block impacting the wench truck's ARB bumper.
If anyone has any questions about that catastrophic wenching attempt let me know and I will try to answer them. All present that day are a lot smarter now. It was a major topic of descussion at ACE's party tonight.
Anyway, I just ordered a wench tonight that had them on sale for less then $500 and I jumped on it. I did it while at ACE's party. I think a few of use ordered one.
Now, anyone got any leads on the cheapest price for the plastic wench rope?? I have no intentions of using that sling shot steel cable.
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The strap failed. It was wrapped around the rear part of the frame a couple of times and then both ends where connected to the snatch block (pulley) with a shackle. The strap ripped right in half and BANG. The second BANG was the snatch block impacting the wench truck's ARB bumper.
If anyone has any questions about that catastrophic wenching attempt let me know and I will try to answer them. All present that day are a lot smarter now. It was a major topic of descussion at ACE's party tonight.
Anyway, I just ordered a wench tonight that had them on sale for less then $500 and I jumped on it. I did it while at ACE's party. I think a few of use ordered one.
Now, anyone got any leads on the cheapest price for the plastic wench rope?? I have no intentions of using that sling shot steel cable.
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04-26-2003, 11:52 PM
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I can't find that comprehensive article on rigging that was posted here at some stage, but I'm sure someone will know...
When you wrap straps of any sort around an object (and in this case twice around the axle) doesn't that decrease the amount of force it will take before breaking?
or perhaps I'm thinking of something else
I do remember that making a loop with a tow strap (feeding one end through the other) apparently has a severe impact on the load it will take.
That server seems to be very busy too
When you wrap straps of any sort around an object (and in this case twice around the axle) doesn't that decrease the amount of force it will take before breaking?
or perhaps I'm thinking of something else
I do remember that making a loop with a tow strap (feeding one end through the other) apparently has a severe impact on the load it will take.
That server seems to be very busy too
04-27-2003, 05:03 AM
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Hilux, if you mean that rigging bible, I put a link to it at the very bottom of YotaTech on the web.
Gadget, I remember reading how you mentioned this happening, but I did not know it was the same vid as this one.
Rockstomper and Masterpull both carry the synthetic line.
I am running 100'x5/8" from Masterpull, and the big yellow (now red) safety hook they put on it.
Masterpull is located in WA. state.
Both RS & Masterpull's links are in the Vendor section.
I'm not sure if the RS line comes with the big hook or not.
But that hook alone is expensive, and a good safety item as it locks.
http://www.4wdandsportutility.com/te...94wd_stronger/
http://www.4x4wire.com/reviews/masterpull/
Gadget, I remember reading how you mentioned this happening, but I did not know it was the same vid as this one.
Rockstomper and Masterpull both carry the synthetic line.
I am running 100'x5/8" from Masterpull, and the big yellow (now red) safety hook they put on it.
Masterpull is located in WA. state.
Both RS & Masterpull's links are in the Vendor section.
I'm not sure if the RS line comes with the big hook or not.
But that hook alone is expensive, and a good safety item as it locks.
http://www.4wdandsportutility.com/te...94wd_stronger/
http://www.4x4wire.com/reviews/masterpull/
04-28-2003, 07:04 AM
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Originally posted by Victor
Where did you get such a sweet deal on a winch? Damn, now I have 285 envy and winch envy. I'm going to have to go into therapy soon at this rate.
Where did you get such a sweet deal on a winch? Damn, now I have 285 envy and winch envy. I'm going to have to go into therapy soon at this rate.
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