water, how deep ??

LC Lite · 06-09-2003, 05:27 PM

can I go with the stock suspension?

Mainly talking about how to negotiate gigantic NYC waterholes..

Cheers

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tomus1000 · 06-09-2003, 09:02 PM

There are gigantic waterholes in NYC?

vmaxjohn · 06-09-2003, 09:11 PM

up to the axles is a good limit. At this point, water will try to find ways into axles, brakes, etc. If you have any seals that leak fluid, water will be entering there first.

How deep are you talking? If you've got long but not too deep of a hole, go as slow as you can to avoid drowning anything. Good luck!

GV27 · 06-10-2003, 07:53 AM

You can go a bit higher than the axles. The proper technique is to go just fast enough to create a bow wave in front of the truck to minimize the amount of water that goes into the engine compartment and most importantly the intake. Go to fast and the water will crash over and go into the intake. If the water is shallow enough there is no too slow but at the limit you can go slightly deeper if you can go a bit faster and set up a wave.

Of course be careful you know exactly how deep the water is. Get out and wade if you're not sure if there might be a big hole that'll suck the truck down! Use a stick to probe for depth (so you don't go into the hole either!!).

C

Good Times · 06-10-2003, 08:50 AM

If you plan to do alot of swimming with your 4runner, I recommend doing the rear breather diff mod

It's easy to do and it'll move the rear diff breather up to a higher location thus giving you the ability to swim deeper.

Then the limitation will be the lowest point for all breathers and your intake (which ever one is lower).

I think this should do it right? (someone chime in please!)

vmaxjohn · 06-10-2003, 09:47 AM

What about auto tranny vents? I know GM has an atmospheric vent on the housing, usually on top somewhere. Not sure on the Yota's, this is my first auto, and I haven't even crawled under there to check it out yet!

Really, this is the only thing a Jeep has an advantage on. Jeep runs lines all the way up to the engine compartment with little caps at the ends. Too bad they suck water into the intakes with reckless abandon!

Bumpin' Yota · 06-10-2003, 10:10 AM

I had to clean out my pants after this run, but I'd try and avoid water like that if possible....

GV27 · 06-10-2003, 10:20 AM

^^^^^^ Perfect illustration of the bow wave.

If you do the snorkel mod where you run the intake back to the rear of the Engine compartment you can go deeper than that. My momma used to have an Isuzu Amigo that I wheeled the crap out of. It had the intake in the rear of the compartment and I went through stuff w/ the water washing onto the front of the hood w/ no problems!

Pulled out all sorts of drowned Jeeps w/ it to! LOL.

rimpainter.com · 06-10-2003, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bumpin' Yota
I had to clean out my pants after this run, but I'd try and avoid water like that if possible....

Dude, are you crazy? All that power and stereo equipment, if you went any deeper you would kill every living thing in a 100 yard radius!

Schuey2002 · 06-10-2003, 11:02 AM

I've been in water (while wheelin') that was deep enough to need the use of my windshield wipers.
One hole that I went through a few years back was deep enough that the whole hood was submerged and the water was splashing about 2 inches up on my windshield. Talk about your pucker factor. You could hear all kinds of gurgling noises under my hood, as well as the gurgling of the exhaust out back.. Needless to say, I won't be trying that again..

I wish that i had a picture of that murky water hole.. It would look like the pic that Bumpin' Yota posted, only my hood was under water for a distance of 10 feet of so.. Also, I didn't bonzai into this hole or push a giant wave of water either. I just eased into it and crept through it at a steady pace...

Obtw, my truck is stock with no lift, no Safari snorkel and only P265 tires (roughly 31.5 inches tall)..

*edit* I went out and measured the distance from the ground to the base of my windshield. I came up with approx. 49 inches, as well as the height of the front of my hood (off level ground) and came up with over 41 inches.. So, as a guess I'd say that the water hole that I drove through had to be at least 3 and a half feet deep...

rimpainter.com · 06-10-2003, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Schuey2002
P265 tires (roughly 31.5 inches tall)..

*edit* I went out and measured the distance from the ground to the base of my windshield. I came up with approx. 49 inches, as well as the height of the front of my hood (off level ground) and came up with over 41 inches.. So, as a guess I'd say that the water hole that I drove through had to be at least 3 and a half feet deep...

You may want to measure your tires while you are at it. I would be ecstatic if I had 31.5" from my 265's.

(I am comparing my measurements to yours)

What is the exact height mathematically? Anyone have that tire size formula for 265/16's?

joshik · 06-10-2003, 12:04 PM

heres a stock yota p/u. probably want to avoid that deep of water .

here i come to save the day!

here's jeff taking some somewhat deep mud

Schuey2002 · 06-10-2003, 02:34 PM

Your right. It's more like 30 inches for my P265x75x15's..

I was using this gear calculator.... http://www.4lo.com

Even then it lists my tires at 30.6 inches, which is still taller than I just checked using my Stanley,which reads just a hair under 30 inches in height for my tires..

LC Lite · 06-10-2003, 03:31 PM

I am going to check my 2003 manual, maybe the exact answer is there..

In the mean time the message I am getting here is that as a rule of thumb the truck should not be driven into water higher than the top of the rims... is this fair ??

Cheers..

rimpainter.com · 06-10-2003, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LC Lite
I am going to check my 2003 manual, maybe the exact answer is there..

In the mean time the message I am getting here is that as a rule of thumb the truck should not be driven into water higher than the top of the rims... is this fair ??

Cheers..

I concur...if you have a rear diff breather.

Robinhood150 · 06-10-2003, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by vmaxjohn
Really, this is the only thing a Jeep has an advantage on. Jeep runs lines all the way up to the engine compartment with little caps at the ends. Too bad they suck water into the intakes with reckless abandon!

I don't know about that...here's some pics of a guy in my club that had mud sucked right into his auto tranny. You can see his mud caked tranny filter in one of the shots. http://community.webshots.com/album/61297428fQqzyt

jjdeneen · 06-10-2003, 04:30 PM

nice pic of my truck josh, looks similar to my avitar, i still have mud on my rig from that trip

AgRunner06 · 06-10-2003, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Robinhood150
I don't know about that...here's some pics of a guy in my club that had mud sucked right into his auto tranny. You can see his mud caked tranny filter in one of the shots. http://community.webshots.com/album/61297428fQqzyt

Was his tranny toast after that?

Robinhood150 · 06-10-2003, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 93_Runner06
Was his tranny toast after that?

No, amazingly enough it still runs. He had the dealer flush it out, but it does have problems now and then. I'm sure it won't last too much longer though.

joshik · 06-10-2003, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Robinhood150
No, amazingly enough it still runs. He had the dealer flush it out, but it does have problems now and then. I'm sure it won't last too much longer though.

ITS A JEEP!:pat:

PoBoy · 06-10-2003, 09:30 PM

Water is the devil. Avoid it if you can until you get a snorkel. There isnt much worse than doing something stupid like plowing through some muddy water to show off to your buddies...and then breaking a couple rods causing thousands of dollars of damage. And all you have to show for it is this hunk of junk sitting in your basement:

vmaxjohn · 06-10-2003, 09:56 PM

Ok...so did your Yota make it through that Jeep hole, right before your buddy tried it?

I've seen auto trannies take a lot of punishment, but dirt on the inside usually plugs up the tiniest passages and brings the curtain to a close.

That's maybe the only thing I worry about with our 4runner being an auto. Maybe it's time to extend that vent, eh?

Robinhood150 · 06-10-2003, 10:43 PM

I didn't even try the mud hole. I knew I couldn't make it because I'm pretty low and I have AT tires. We had to really goad the guy to go in the mud pit!

I recently extended my transfer case, but I can't really find anything for the tranny. Course, I didn't look too hard though.

turboale · 06-10-2003, 10:58 PM

This is too deep...

Moved the timing belt over two teeth on the bottom sproket (but lucky for me it didn't change the cam timing

) Punctured my radiator, alternator needs to be rebuilt, interior smells like dirt. Electric seat needed to be gutted and cleaned and the alarm was toast. Never again...

Schuey2002 · 06-11-2003, 12:35 AM

Yeah, I'd say that is way too deep!

It looks like the mud dragged your truck to a complete stop and then the water had a chance to do its thing..

The hole that I drove through was more of a "water hole" with mud in it.. The "hole" in that picture of yours looks more like a thick, muddy mess; the kind of mud hole that requires large tires and a ton of horsepower..

Hope everything turns out alright.

06-09-2003, 09:02 PM	#2 (permalink)
tomus1000 Contributing Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Wallingford, Ct Posts: 1,595	There are gigantic waterholes in NYC? __________________ -Noel- 2002 Tacoma Double Cab Impulse Red w/ color keyed package...2nd generation supercharger...TRD off road package...TRD boost guage...TRD tranny cooler...Borla exhaust...Speed Liner spray in bed liner

06-09-2003, 09:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
vmaxjohn Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Midland, MI Posts: 88	just about... up to the axles is a good limit. At this point, water will try to find ways into axles, brakes, etc. If you have any seals that leak fluid, water will be entering there first. How deep are you talking? If you've got long but not too deep of a hole, go as slow as you can to avoid drowning anything. Good luck! __________________ If guns kill people, then my guitar can teach without me!

06-10-2003, 07:53 AM	#4 (permalink)
GV27 Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Green Mountain, Colorado Posts: 416	You can go a bit higher than the axles. The proper technique is to go just fast enough to create a bow wave in front of the truck to minimize the amount of water that goes into the engine compartment and most importantly the intake. Go to fast and the water will crash over and go into the intake. If the water is shallow enough there is no too slow but at the limit you can go slightly deeper if you can go a bit faster and set up a wave. Of course be careful you know exactly how deep the water is. Get out and wade if you're not sure if there might be a big hole that'll suck the truck down! Use a stick to probe for depth (so you don't go into the hole either!!). C Last edited by GV27; 06-10-2003 at 07:55 AM.

06-10-2003, 08:50 AM	#5 (permalink)
Good Times Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 4,693	If you plan to do alot of swimming with your 4runner, I recommend doing the rear breather diff mod It's easy to do and it'll move the rear diff breather up to a higher location thus giving you the ability to swim deeper. Then the limitation will be the lowest point for all breathers and your intake (which ever one is lower). I think this should do it right? (someone chime in please!) __________________ 2003 4runner SR5 4x4 Chaos Edition Chaos Edition! Operation Rebuild Chaos Edition Need to reach me or ask questions? You can find me here!

06-10-2003, 09:47 AM	#6 (permalink)
vmaxjohn Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Midland, MI Posts: 88	What about auto tranny vents? I know GM has an atmospheric vent on the housing, usually on top somewhere. Not sure on the Yota's, this is my first auto, and I haven't even crawled under there to check it out yet! Really, this is the only thing a Jeep has an advantage on. Jeep runs lines all the way up to the engine compartment with little caps at the ends. Too bad they suck water into the intakes with reckless abandon! __________________ If guns kill people, then my guitar can teach without me!

06-10-2003, 10:10 AM	#7 (permalink)
Bumpin' Yota Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Sarasota, FL Posts: 3,639	I had to clean out my pants after this run, but I'd try and avoid water like that if possible.... __________________ 3vze, 4x4, sr5, 90, auto, LSD 2x dB Drag World Finalist 2003 Nopi Nat. Street B champ 2004 SBN Street C champ 2004 SBN Advncd NW Champ 2004 Former WR Holder in NW. SPL: 159.8db @ 42hz In loving memory of Jamie Riggs 5/15/85 - 10/8/04

06-10-2003, 10:20 AM	#8 (permalink)
GV27 Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Green Mountain, Colorado Posts: 416	^^^^^^ Perfect illustration of the bow wave. If you do the snorkel mod where you run the intake back to the rear of the Engine compartment you can go deeper than that. My momma used to have an Isuzu Amigo that I wheeled the crap out of. It had the intake in the rear of the compartment and I went through stuff w/ the water washing onto the front of the hood w/ no problems! Pulled out all sorts of drowned Jeeps w/ it to! LOL.

06-10-2003, 11:02 AM	#10 (permalink)
Schuey2002 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 143	I've been in water (while wheelin') that was deep enough to need the use of my windshield wipers. One hole that I went through a few years back was deep enough that the whole hood was submerged and the water was splashing about 2 inches up on my windshield. Talk about your pucker factor. You could hear all kinds of gurgling noises under my hood, as well as the gurgling of the exhaust out back.. Needless to say, I won't be trying that again.. I wish that i had a picture of that murky water hole.. It would look like the pic that Bumpin' Yota posted, only my hood was under water for a distance of 10 feet of so.. Also, I didn't bonzai into this hole or push a giant wave of water either. I just eased into it and crept through it at a steady pace... Obtw, my truck is stock with no lift, no Safari snorkel and only P265 tires (roughly 31.5 inches tall).. edit I went out and measured the distance from the ground to the base of my windshield. I came up with approx. 49 inches, as well as the height of the front of my hood (off level ground) and came up with over 41 inches.. So, as a guess I'd say that the water hole that I drove through had to be at least 3 and a half feet deep...

06-10-2003, 12:04 PM	#12 (permalink)
joshik Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: bellflower Posts: 911	heres a stock yota p/u. probably want to avoid that deep of water . here i come to save the day! here's jeff taking some somewhat deep mud __________________ 2003 4Runner Limited 4wd V8. Bone stock except for the Nitto All Terrains. My Rig 91 Ext Cab 4x4 Yota, black with 4" front IFS trailmaster lift, 3" Downey rear springs, Downey Rubicon extended shackles, and 2" body lift. 35" BFG M/T w/ 4.56. Centerforce II clutch, Rancho 5000s all around and Rancho traction bar, K&N Air filter, Flowmaster, ARB Rear Diff Air Locker, Custom "Mad Eyes" light covers, Extended Diff Breathers, Hella Vision Plus Headlights. My Rig Last edited by joshik; 06-10-2003 at 12:06 PM.

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Schuey2002 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 143	Your right. It's more like 30 inches for my P265x75x15's.. I was using this gear calculator.... http://www.4lo.com Even then it lists my tires at 30.6 inches, which is still taller than I just checked using my Stanley,which reads just a hair under 30 inches in height for my tires.. Last edited by Schuey2002; 06-10-2003 at 04:59 PM.

06-10-2003, 03:31 PM	#14 (permalink)
LC Lite Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 12	Thanks for all your comments..... I am going to check my 2003 manual, maybe the exact answer is there.. In the mean time the message I am getting here is that as a rule of thumb the truck should not be driven into water higher than the top of the rims... is this fair ?? Cheers.. __________________ '03 4Runner Sport V8 4x4

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jjdeneen Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lakewood, CA Posts: 415	nice pic of my truck josh, looks similar to my avitar, i still have mud on my rig from that trip

06-10-2003, 09:30 PM	#21 (permalink)
PoBoy Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 2,000	Water is the devil. Avoid it if you can until you get a snorkel. There isnt much worse than doing something stupid like plowing through some muddy water to show off to your buddies...and then breaking a couple rods causing thousands of dollars of damage. And all you have to show for it is this hunk of junk sitting in your basement: __________________ So I sold my '96 4Runner to get married...I was sad. BUT NOT ANY MORE! Check out my 1985 4Runner with 32,xxx miles! PoBoyTech.Net

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vmaxjohn Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Midland, MI Posts: 88	Ok...so did your Yota make it through that Jeep hole, right before your buddy tried it? I've seen auto trannies take a lot of punishment, but dirt on the inside usually plugs up the tiniest passages and brings the curtain to a close. That's maybe the only thing I worry about with our 4runner being an auto. Maybe it's time to extend that vent, eh? __________________ If guns kill people, then my guitar can teach without me!

06-10-2003, 10:43 PM	#23 (permalink)
Robinhood150 Contributing Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Wandering around Phoenix Posts: 6,043	I didn't even try the mud hole. I knew I couldn't make it because I'm pretty low and I have AT tires. We had to really goad the guy to go in the mud pit! I recently extended my transfer case, but I can't really find anything for the tranny. Course, I didn't look too hard though. __________________ Steve. '93 4Runner V6 Auto 4x4 Robinhood's Lair. \|\| Gettin' Off 4wd Club member Lots for sale:5.29 ARB IFS third member... Click Sierra Club policy: [A reason to close trails] ...Physical soil damage, often readily visible, resulting in: a. Erosion, causing soil loss and damage to stream banks, streams, and fish habitat... Lesson...Stay on the TRAIL! Last edited by Robinhood150; 06-10-2003 at 10:47 PM.

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turboale Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 4,836	This is too deep... Moved the timing belt over two teeth on the bottom sproket (but lucky for me it didn't change the cam timing ) Punctured my radiator, alternator needs to be rebuilt, interior smells like dirt. Electric seat needed to be gutted and cleaned and the alarm was toast. Never again... __________________ --Austin RHaus NYC 06 M45 Sport - Beauty 96 4Runner - The Beast

06-11-2003, 12:35 AM	#25 (permalink)
Schuey2002 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 143	Turboale, Yeah, I'd say that is way too deep! It looks like the mud dragged your truck to a complete stop and then the water had a chance to do its thing.. The hole that I drove through was more of a "water hole" with mud in it.. The "hole" in that picture of yours looks more like a thick, muddy mess; the kind of mud hole that requires large tires and a ton of horsepower.. Hope everything turns out alright.

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