Valve body this Friday

4-RUNNIN' FREAK · 07-28-2004, 03:14 PM

It's official. I am getting the valve body upgrade this Friday. Now after the supercharger upgrade and the URD fuel mods, do you guys/gals think I'll be able to spin 'em?

I want to do it just once. The only time I did it was when I first had the S/C on, and the usual when the pavement is wet.
I am so excited.

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***midiwall*** · 07-28-2004, 03:46 PM

Did you get the URD setup tuned? The last time I saw you posting about the work you're doing, your HP numbers seemed WAY low and Gadget was encouraging you to come down and let him tune it.

The valve body work will stop the tranny from slipping and thus get more power to the wheels, but it won't CREATE more power in the engine. So the question is kinda' "what happens now when you jump on it?". If the tranny is slipping in 1st gear, then firstofall STOP JUMPING ON IT!

and then yes, the valve body work will help. But if it's not slipping, and you can't break the tires loose, then the VB work won't help.

4-RUNNIN' FREAK · 07-28-2004, 03:55 PM

The URD kit is not tuned yet. I don't have a chance to get down there just yet. I'll hopefully be able to get down there in 2 weeks if he can do it too.
I'm in the middle of switching assignments in work, so I don't know what shift and days I will be working.
As far as slipping, I don't notice anything. Unless that is what is happening when I lose power sometimes. I'll be on the throttle about half way, and it just cuts out, kinda feels like when I hit the governor.

ravencr · 07-29-2004, 01:47 AM

Who's doing your VB upgrade?

Chris

havic · 07-29-2004, 06:17 AM

I hope you can get those tires to chirp! I have to live vicariously through you guys because I can't afford those mods at this time. Keep us posted, especially after your URD upgrades have been tuned. Man I wish I could do that!

4-RUNNIN' FREAK · 07-30-2004, 11:13 AM

IT'S DONE. I just got home from IPT, and am very happy with the work done. although no tire spinnage, I am happy with the results.
John was a super nice guy who took time to explain things to me, and treated me more like a friend than a costumer. Now I just have to get some time to get to Gadget to tune out that fuel system. I know the power is there, just a matter of finding it.
And the problem of it cutting out is still there. ( driving along and try to accelerate and it cuts out like I hit the governor)
I am convinced it from something other than the trans though.
All in all I am very happy, that is, until I get the credit card bill.

***midiwall*** · 07-30-2004, 01:48 PM

Congrats!

You've added a lot of life to your tranny!

How stiff did you have him make the shifts?

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4-RUNNIN' FREAK

And the problem of it cutting out is still there. ( driving along and try to accelerate and it cuts out like I hit the governor)

Does it always happen at the same spot RPM wise? Or always within a certain _range_ of RPM? Or does it seem speed related?

When the power drops, does the engine actually cut out and stumble or just drop in RPMs and is still running?

Does the "event" clear itself? If you hold your foot at the same spot, will it come back around?

Is it more of an issue uphill or downhill or doesn't it make a difference?

4-RUNNIN' FREAK · 07-30-2004, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by midiwall

Congrats!

You've added a lot of life to your tranny!

How stiff did you have him make the shifts?

Does it always happen at the same spot RPM wise? Or always within a certain _range_ of RPM? Or does it seem speed related?

When the power drops, does the engine actually cut out and stumble or just drop in RPMs and is still running?

Does the "event" clear itself? If you hold your foot at the same spot, will it come back around?

Is it more of an issue uphill or downhill or doesn't it make a difference?

1. He said it was the normal setup he uses for alot of 4Runners. You know it's done, But it's not what I thought it would be. I was expecting a more harsh shift. I like it though, very quick shifts.
2. I really don't know when it happens. I don't have time to look down at the gauges. It does stumble and is running. And it really doesn't come back around for about 30 seconds. I'll be going and it seems like a long time to me to get back to normal.
3. I only notice it on flat roads, as that is all I mainly drive around here. I did happen today comming down a hill on the highway from IPT.
Any Ideas?
Also I am going to give Royal Purple a try tomorrow a switch Mobil 1 at 3000-3,500 mile changes. I picked it up for $5/qt. Saved $6 with it on sale.

4Hummer · 07-30-2004, 08:06 PM

Almost sounds like the engine is starving for fuel ??? Maybe you need a better high flow fuel pump. Or have you changed your fuel filter lately ??

Just a thought.

ravencr · 07-31-2004, 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4Hummer

Almost sounds like the engine is starving for fuel ??? Maybe you need a better high flow fuel pump. Or have you changed your fuel filter lately ??

Just a thought.

I'd it's one of three things:

1) MAf sensor needs cleaning
2) Running too lean
3) Running too rich

Chris

nj4runner · 01-03-2006, 03:12 PM

4RUNNING FREAK, have you solved your problems? Does IPT allow you to bring the truck to them so they can do all the work?

***midiwall*** · 01-03-2006, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nj4runner

Does IPT allow you to bring the truck to them so they can do all the work?

John (Mr. IPT) is on the list as Transdude so you can drop him a PM and ask, or write/call via the website:

http://importperformancetransmissions.com/

He's got an 800 #.

ravencr · 01-04-2006, 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by midiwall

John (Mr. IPT) is on the list as Transdude so you can drop him a PM and ask, or write/call via the website:

http://importperformancetransmissions.com/

He's got an 800 #.

It's not the transmission. If you want harder shifts, go into the engine bay and tighten the throttle kickdown cable. That will firm up your shifts. I experimented with mine once John did it, and I was able to chirp second gear under full throttle acceleration, but I don't think it's good to be that harsh of a shift long term.

Chris

P.S. To answer the guys question above, John can do everything or you can bring in the VB. He did everything on mine!

***midiwall*** · 01-04-2006, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ravencr

It's not the transmission. If you want harder shifts, go into the engine bay and tighten the throttle kickdown cable. That will firm up your shifts.

It firms up the shifts 'cause it increases the fluid pressure in the tranny which is what the valve body modification does. That cable is there so that the torque convertor and bands will lock up tighter at higher throttle settings since there will be more HP/torque at the crank. By pulling it tighter, you're prematurely increasing the fluid pressure in the tranny.

John can certainly get the torque converter to lock-up solid, and pull ALL of the slip out of the shift points, that'd be his "racing" option (or "10" on a 1-10 scale) but it's impractical to run that way for everyday driving on the street.

naksukow · 01-04-2006, 06:40 AM

You can only make the shifts so hard with the stock clutch packs. If you want neck braking shifts you need to have your tranny rebuilt by John and tell him how hard you want it to shift. I have a fully built IPT tranny with TC and its great.

ravencr · 01-05-2006, 07:18 AM

Just tightening the throtle kickdown cable was way more firm than I'd want to drive it everyday, that's for sure.

Chris

Weasy2k · 01-05-2006, 09:10 AM

I have my cable mid way right now...when i got john to do mine its a bit more then what he usualy does.

I dont know why you cant burn out in the dry.....i just tap the gas pedel and away she goes.

John at IPT is the way to go!

ravencr · 01-06-2006, 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weasy2k

I have my cable mid way right now...when i got john to do mine its a bit more then what he usualy does.

I dont know why you cant burn out in the dry.....i just tap the gas pedel and away she goes.

John at IPT is the way to go!

That's cause you worked hard to get it tuned right! Way to go!

Chris

P.S. Johnny, you're the one that bought all my stuff, right?

Weasy2k · 01-06-2006, 06:41 AM

Hey Chris, I was laughing when i saw your name because its been a long time since i have seen you here (long time since i have been around so its prob just me

)
It was a customer of mine who bought all your stuff and i installed and tuned everything up

I have the same setup tho

ravencr · 01-07-2006, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weasy2k

Hey Chris, I was laughing when i saw your name because its been a long time since i have seen you here (long time since i have been around so its prob just me

)
It was a customer of mine who bought all your stuff and i installed and tuned everything up

I have the same setup tho

I thought it was something like that. I've been on here, but I've turned my rig into an off-road rig only, primarily, so no more high performance mods for me unless they help me off-road. I spend my time on the off-road threads mostly.

Chris

Weasy2k · 01-07-2006, 03:53 PM

pfft and what didnt he s/c do that helps you offroad

***midiwall*** · 01-07-2006, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weasy2k

pfft and what didnt the s/c do that helps you offroad

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HUTCHSTACO · 04-21-2006, 08:50 AM

from looking at the IPT website, is about 525 how much the valve body work costs?

***midiwall*** · 04-21-2006, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HUTCHSTACO

from looking at the IPT website, is about 525 how much the valve body work costs?

Yeup... _but_

If you take it out of your own truck (versus use a doner) then you'll have to factor in the cost of alternate transportation while the truck's down (rent a car?), and the cost of quick-shipping to/from the east coast (I think it ships at 15 pounds), and the cost of replacing the tranny fluid that you'll lose when you drop the pan (about 5-6 quarts).

All totalled, it ends up being more like $1000 for folks on the west coast if you need it back soon. Most of that is shipping costs:

Code:

Shipping from 98021, U.S.A. to 07470, U.S.A.
		
                                                               Rate (US$)
FedEx First Overnight®	
8:00am or 8:30am the next business day to major cities         127.66 

FedEx Priority Overnight®		
10:30am the next business day to most cities                    95.91 

FedEx Standard Overnight®		
3:00pm the next business day to most cities                     91.26

Remember to DOUBLE those numbers since you need it back soon as well.

HUTCHSTACO · 04-21-2006, 09:34 AM

i am trying to get a feel on how much the whole project will cost, so i can do everything all in the same week

07-28-2004, 03:46 PM	#2 (permalink)
*midiwall* Sponsoring Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seattleish, WA Posts: 9,078	Did you get the URD setup tuned? The last time I saw you posting about the work you're doing, your HP numbers seemed WAY low and Gadget was encouraging you to come down and let him tune it. The valve body work will stop the tranny from slipping and thus get more power to the wheels, but it won't CREATE more power in the engine. So the question is kinda' "what happens now when you jump on it?". If the tranny is slipping in 1st gear, then firstofall STOP JUMPING ON IT! and then yes, the valve body work will help. But if it's not slipping, and you can't break the tires loose, then the VB work won't help. __________________ ~ Mark '96 4Runner Limited S/C MI - 370cc injectors, Air! horns, Airaid MIT, ATS A-arms, 285/75/R16 BFG MTs, Bored TB, Brembo slotted, Cobra 75 WXST, Deckplate, Downey headers, Hayden cooler, IPT valve body, Level 10 torque convertor, Meanstreak exhaust, OME/OME rears, On-board PC (XM, Nav, WiFi, etc), Port 'n Polish, Remote Start, SAW fronts, Hilux console, SMT-5, Stubb's sliders, Supra MAF, TJM-17, 2.0" pulley, Viair 450c, Walbro 190, Weasy2k cams

07-28-2004, 03:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
4-RUNNIN' FREAK Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: NNJ Posts: 3,951	The URD kit is not tuned yet. I don't have a chance to get down there just yet. I'll hopefully be able to get down there in 2 weeks if he can do it too. I'm in the middle of switching assignments in work, so I don't know what shift and days I will be working. As far as slipping, I don't notice anything. Unless that is what is happening when I lose power sometimes. I'll be on the throttle about half way, and it just cuts out, kinda feels like when I hit the governor. __________________ '02 4Runner - '06 XRunner Breakdancing www.BadgeYourRide.com Check this out Multi-Touch Interaction Research http://mrl.nyu.edu/~jhan/ftirtouch/ Highest Xmax 6.5" subwoofer made Total Posts: 32,218 (75.35 posts per day) [/center] [/color] Still A Neon

07-29-2004, 06:17 AM	#5 (permalink)
havic Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 194	I hope you can get those tires to chirp! I have to live vicariously through you guys because I can't afford those mods at this time. Keep us posted, especially after your URD upgrades have been tuned. Man I wish I could do that! __________________ 98 4Runner SR5 V6 4WD, stock with a lot of dreams for my Runner. So much to do, so little money............ Oh yeah, the elbow mod. I live in NYC. With all the bumps and potholes, I don't have to go off-roading.

07-30-2004, 11:13 AM	#6 (permalink)
4-RUNNIN' FREAK Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: NNJ Posts: 3,951	IT'S DONE. I just got home from IPT, and am very happy with the work done. although no tire spinnage, I am happy with the results. John was a super nice guy who took time to explain things to me, and treated me more like a friend than a costumer. Now I just have to get some time to get to Gadget to tune out that fuel system. I know the power is there, just a matter of finding it. And the problem of it cutting out is still there. ( driving along and try to accelerate and it cuts out like I hit the governor) I am convinced it from something other than the trans though. All in all I am very happy, that is, until I get the credit card bill. __________________ '02 4Runner - '06 XRunner Breakdancing www.BadgeYourRide.com Check this out Multi-Touch Interaction Research http://mrl.nyu.edu/~jhan/ftirtouch/ Highest Xmax 6.5" subwoofer made Total Posts: 32,218 (75.35 posts per day) [/center] [/color] Still A Neon Last edited by 4-RUNNIN' FREAK; 07-30-2004 at 11:15 AM.

07-30-2004, 08:06 PM	#9 (permalink)
4Hummer Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,975	Almost sounds like the engine is starving for fuel ??? Maybe you need a better high flow fuel pump. Or have you changed your fuel filter lately ?? Just a thought. __________________ Michael 1991 4Runner 22RE. CHOP www.obsessiveoffroadclub.com

07-29-2004, 01:47 AM	#4 (permalink)
ravencr Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Severance, CO Posts: 4,725	Who's doing your VB upgrade? Chris

01-03-2006, 03:12 PM	#11 (permalink)
nj4runner Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: nnj Posts: 3	4RUNNING FREAK, have you solved your problems? Does IPT allow you to bring the truck to them so they can do all the work?

01-04-2006, 06:40 AM	#15 (permalink)
naksukow Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Big Bear or Tahoe Posts: 371	You can only make the shifts so hard with the stock clutch packs. If you want neck braking shifts you need to have your tranny rebuilt by John and tell him how hard you want it to shift. I have a fully built IPT tranny with TC and its great. __________________ 2001 4Runner 3.4V-6 SR5 4x4 \| 18x,xxx miles \| Stubbs SKO sliders \| Bud Built front skid \| Trail Carnage belly skid \| Shrockworks front \| Rockware rear \| Goodyear Duratracs \| SS 1.2 \| Detroit Locker rear \| Truetrac front \| 4.88s 2008 FJC TT SE 6 SPEED

01-05-2006, 07:18 AM	#16 (permalink)
ravencr Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Severance, CO Posts: 4,725	Just tightening the throtle kickdown cable was way more firm than I'd want to drive it everyday, that's for sure. Chris

01-05-2006, 09:10 AM	#17 (permalink)
Weasy2k Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 968	I have my cable mid way right now...when i got john to do mine its a bit more then what he usualy does. I dont know why you cant burn out in the dry.....i just tap the gas pedel and away she goes. John at IPT is the way to go! __________________ -Johnny --------------------------------- '96 Taco V6 4WD Auto with 262 S2S Cams New 5VZ-FE & 3VZ-E Cams available 5vz-fe Stock CR FI Pistons NOW available! www.sea2skytuning.com Plug and Play EMS! Perfect Power, Hydra EMS, Arias, Pauter, Manley Performance Dealer....

01-06-2006, 06:41 AM	#19 (permalink)
Weasy2k Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 968	Hey Chris, I was laughing when i saw your name because its been a long time since i have seen you here (long time since i have been around so its prob just me ) It was a customer of mine who bought all your stuff and i installed and tuned everything up I have the same setup tho __________________ -Johnny --------------------------------- '96 Taco V6 4WD Auto with 262 S2S Cams New 5VZ-FE & 3VZ-E Cams available 5vz-fe Stock CR FI Pistons NOW available! www.sea2skytuning.com Plug and Play EMS! Perfect Power, Hydra EMS, Arias, Pauter, Manley Performance Dealer....

01-07-2006, 03:53 PM	#21 (permalink)
Weasy2k Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 968	pfft and what didnt he s/c do that helps you offroad __________________ -Johnny --------------------------------- '96 Taco V6 4WD Auto with 262 S2S Cams New 5VZ-FE & 3VZ-E Cams available 5vz-fe Stock CR FI Pistons NOW available! www.sea2skytuning.com Plug and Play EMS! Perfect Power, Hydra EMS, Arias, Pauter, Manley Performance Dealer....

04-21-2006, 08:50 AM	#23 (permalink)
HUTCHSTACO Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bellevue, Washington Posts: 1,043	from looking at the IPT website, is about 525 how much the valve body work costs?

04-21-2006, 09:34 AM	#25 (permalink)
HUTCHSTACO Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bellevue, Washington Posts: 1,043	i am trying to get a feel on how much the whole project will cost, so i can do everything all in the same week

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