Turbo for an 86 Pickup?

YotaTruck1986 · 06-12-2004, 09:17 PM

I own a 1986 Toyota Pickup. It doesn't have a lot of power, but I've heard that if you install a blower on your engine, it will boost the horsepower a lot. I was wondering if anyone knew of any turbos for my truck. I believe the engine is a 22RE. What would be some of the downsides to adding a blower? Would the extra power cause more wear and tear on the truck? Could I install it, or would I have to take it to a shop? Thanks for any help.

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Midnight Rider · 06-12-2004, 11:53 PM

A blower and a turbo are 2 differend beasts. A turbo is driven by the exhaust and a blower is belt driven. One of the biggest problems in adding a turbo is heat...

Chuck

jimbo74 · 06-12-2004, 11:55 PM

there is actually a turbo that came stock on some of the 22r engines... this of course turns it into another designation though....

terky · 06-13-2004, 12:38 AM

wasnt the turbo something like 22re-t? I saw one at a junkyard that my dads friend owns, he said we could have whatever we wanted. I asked about the truck and he said it was already spoken for. Bummer, would have been sweet.

YotaTruck1986 · 06-13-2004, 08:42 AM

Thanks for the replies. I think what I'm looking for then is a blower. Doesn't it force air into the intake? I was wondering if anyone knew where I could find one for a 22RE, or is there any reasons why you wouldn't recomend one. Thanks for the help.

terky · 06-13-2004, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YotaTruck1986

Thanks for the replies. I think what I'm looking for then is a blower. Doesn't it force air into the intake? I was wondering if anyone knew where I could find one for a 22RE, or is there any reasons why you wouldn't recomend one. Thanks for the help.

You would have to run premium gas.

YotaTruck1986 · 06-13-2004, 08:47 AM

Thats fine, the extra power would be worth the extra money, hehe. I wonder if there's some universal blower for Toyota trucks, or any automobile?

Flamedx4 · 06-13-2004, 09:48 AM

No universal blower, of course, each has to be made specifically to fit the engine. There is/was a blower for the 22R, (actually from a couple of different companies) but I've never saw one for the RE. You could change the head and do the blower on the RE, but you would have to go to carburetion rather than FI. (If it wasn't for this I would have done it on my 85, but I will never own another carb engine.) Camden, B&M make blower kits for the 22R, or did at least.

THe RE-T engine had a lot of differences besides just the turbo. The turbo compressor itself is easy enough, but the systems that keep it from destroying the engine quickly is well beyond the tinkerer's capabilities. Wastegate control, detonation control, changing fuel/air requirements etc.

LC Engineering has turbo kits for the 22R. http://www.lcengineering.com/TurboKits.htm

Oh check this out! On their What's New page, LC Engineering now offers a blower kit for the RE! http://www.lcengineering.com/Whatsnew.htm

kyle_22r · 06-13-2004, 10:31 AM

what i think the main problem with running a blower? cost! i don't understand how something that's not really all that complicated(or at least it seems) can run over $2000

however, you also might need to run forged pistons and upgrade your injectors...

YotaTruck1986 · 06-13-2004, 01:00 PM

THANKS! Wow, thanks for all this input so quickly. I appreciate it! So LC makes the super charger for the 22RE. (The "E" stands for EFI right?) That's great, I would really like to get that kit for my truck and boost its horsepower. What kind of injectors would you recomend I upgrade too? Are there any other precautions? I'll probably look into forged pistons, because I'll need something stronger to handle the power. Thanks again guys, you've all been a big help.

colsoncj · 06-13-2004, 02:47 PM

From my experience, you can get away with low levels of boost on a stock motor with stock components (no forged stuff). But thats on a healthy motor with no existing problems and doesn't have a bunch of miles. (Also, that experience is based on GM motors; more qualified Toyota gearheads than myself would have to answer whether that holds true for your 22r/22re motors.) However with low levels of boost you won't be seeing a lot of the power your looking for. But, if you wanted you could start with a tuned down supercharger (read: low boost) on a stock motor and run that until you got the money to dump in the components that would allow you to turn your boost up.

Vato Loco · 06-13-2004, 02:57 PM

http://www.toyotaperformance.com/supercharged.htm

Fahrenheit 451 · 06-13-2004, 05:38 PM

Got $6,300+ for the supercharger motor from ToyotaPerformance? Then add to that all the other changes necessary to get it up and running

Unless you really need some freaky power and have $ falling out your

it doesn't seem like much of an option. Even if you only bought the supercharger, all the changes required add up fast.
You can get around 145hp out of the 22re for far less and for a little truck that is pretty sufficeint. Check out LC's motors for an idea what to build and maybe just get a head from them and do the bottom end locally. If you can do some work yourself the $ savings add up.

YotaTruck1986 · 06-13-2004, 07:55 PM

Thanks again. The engine still runs perfectly - like most Toyotas. It only has 84,000 miles on it as well. Looks like I'd better start saving my $$$.

the_supernerd · 06-14-2004, 12:11 AM

Just a suggestion: If you are going to spend that much money, maybe you should think about doing a Supra engine conversion. Try searching for it on this site. There should be a lot of info.

kyle_22r · 06-14-2004, 09:21 AM

my '84 2wd pickup flew with it's 22R. i couldn't possibly imagine a 7MGE or 7MGTE(turbo)

Flamedx4 · 06-14-2004, 09:26 AM

Before I spent that kind of money I'd put a FI small block Chevy in it. They're cheap & plentiful, easy to work on, easy to hotrod. Install kits are available to make it easy to do. If you resist the urge to use too much horsepower, the trans and tcase will live with a stock small block.

Tokez420 · 06-14-2004, 05:43 PM

or do this

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...&category=6059
i might do this when i get the 6L and 4L80 tranny and swap it in my silverado. and then swap the my old v8 and tranny into the yota

kyle_22r · 06-14-2004, 06:46 PM

chevy guts in a toy? that's blasphemy! :pat:

Flamedx4 · 06-14-2004, 07:58 PM

So, you'd rather it was Ford?....

DavidA · 06-15-2004, 07:54 AM

Got a quote back from LC yesterday on the SC for my 1991...THEY WANT $27**. for it! Yikes! More than I expected for a 4 cyl. I was hoping sub 2K.

YotaTruck1986 · 06-15-2004, 09:05 AM

Well, if I were to forget the blower, I wonder if a hood scoop would be possible. Has anyone installed one on there truck before? It'd be 10 times less expensive. Just wondering how much of a difference it would make? Thanks for all the input.

Flamedx4 · 06-15-2004, 09:16 AM

Why would a hood scoop make any difference in how it runs?

YotaTruck1986 · 06-15-2004, 09:24 AM

I'm saying, if I installed a functional hood scoop, would that additional forced air make a substantial difference in the trucks performance. Because air would be blown into the intake when I driven. Just wondering if it's worth it.

Spectre · 06-15-2004, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyle_22r

chevy guts in a toy? that's blasphemy! :pat:

FJ-40 seem to love the 350...

06-13-2004, 12:38 AM	#4 (permalink)
terky Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Everett, WA Posts: 217	wasnt the turbo something like 22re-t? I saw one at a junkyard that my dads friend owns, he said we could have whatever we wanted. I asked about the truck and he said it was already spoken for. Bummer, would have been sweet. __________________ Rig: 1982 longbed pickup 31" tires Diff breather mod (1st mod ever on 4-30-04)

06-13-2004, 08:42 AM	#5 (permalink)
YotaTruck1986 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 498	Thanks for the replies. I think what I'm looking for then is a blower. Doesn't it force air into the intake? I was wondering if anyone knew where I could find one for a 22RE, or is there any reasons why you wouldn't recomend one. Thanks for the help. __________________ - Jonathan 1986 Toyota Pickup The Truck (Picture) My Music

06-13-2004, 08:47 AM	#7 (permalink)
YotaTruck1986 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 498	Thats fine, the extra power would be worth the extra money, hehe. I wonder if there's some universal blower for Toyota trucks, or any automobile? __________________ - Jonathan 1986 Toyota Pickup The Truck (Picture) My Music

06-13-2004, 09:48 AM	#8 (permalink)
Flamedx4 Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: 100 miles offshore as much as possible, & Springfield Oregon USA Posts: 3,285	No universal blower, of course, each has to be made specifically to fit the engine. There is/was a blower for the 22R, (actually from a couple of different companies) but I've never saw one for the RE. You could change the head and do the blower on the RE, but you would have to go to carburetion rather than FI. (If it wasn't for this I would have done it on my 85, but I will never own another carb engine.) Camden, B&M make blower kits for the 22R, or did at least. THe RE-T engine had a lot of differences besides just the turbo. The turbo compressor itself is easy enough, but the systems that keep it from destroying the engine quickly is well beyond the tinkerer's capabilities. Wastegate control, detonation control, changing fuel/air requirements etc. LC Engineering has turbo kits for the 22R. http://www.lcengineering.com/TurboKits.htm Oh check this out! On their What's New page, LC Engineering now offers a blower kit for the RE! http://www.lcengineering.com/Whatsnew.htm __________________ All my Yotas are gone. Stuff to sell: http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.p...39#post1009839 -Phil Last edited by Flamedx4; 06-13-2004 at 09:50 AM.

06-13-2004, 10:31 AM	#9 (permalink)
kyle_22r Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lacey, WA Posts: 3,992	what i think the main problem with running a blower? cost! i don't understand how something that's not really all that complicated(or at least it seems) can run over $2000 however, you also might need to run forged pistons and upgrade your injectors... __________________ 1998 tacoma, 3RZ-FE, 5 speed, 30x9.5R15 M/Ts past toys: 1984 4x2 1979 4x4 1991 4x4

06-12-2004, 11:53 PM	#2 (permalink)
Midnight Rider Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Fredericksburg,Va Posts: 40	A blower and a turbo are 2 differend beasts. A turbo is driven by the exhaust and a blower is belt driven. One of the biggest problems in adding a turbo is heat... Chuck

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jimbo74 Banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Nor*Cal Posts: 6,582	there is actually a turbo that came stock on some of the 22r engines... this of course turns it into another designation though....

06-13-2004, 01:00 PM	#10 (permalink)
YotaTruck1986 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 498	THANKS! Wow, thanks for all this input so quickly. I appreciate it! So LC makes the super charger for the 22RE. (The "E" stands for EFI right?) That's great, I would really like to get that kit for my truck and boost its horsepower. What kind of injectors would you recomend I upgrade too? Are there any other precautions? I'll probably look into forged pistons, because I'll need something stronger to handle the power. Thanks again guys, you've all been a big help. __________________ - Jonathan 1986 Toyota Pickup The Truck (Picture) My Music Last edited by YotaTruck1986; 06-13-2004 at 01:02 PM.

06-13-2004, 02:47 PM	#11 (permalink)
colsoncj Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monett, MO (Springfield) Posts: 2,533	From my experience, you can get away with low levels of boost on a stock motor with stock components (no forged stuff). But thats on a healthy motor with no existing problems and doesn't have a bunch of miles. (Also, that experience is based on GM motors; more qualified Toyota gearheads than myself would have to answer whether that holds true for your 22r/22re motors.) However with low levels of boost you won't be seeing a lot of the power your looking for. But, if you wanted you could start with a tuned down supercharger (read: low boost) on a stock motor and run that until you got the money to dump in the components that would allow you to turn your boost up. __________________ Cory Eastern OK, Western/Northern AR, Southeastern KS, or Southern MO area: OZARKS 4ROC Click Here 04 Dodge 2500 Cummins - DD/Tow Rig 02 Z06 Corvette - Weekender 94 FZJ80 - Wheelin Rig. Build in progress: http://ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129727 72 Buick GS - i.e. the project that will never get done.

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Fahrenheit 451 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: western Colorado Posts: 590	Got $6,300+ for the supercharger motor from ToyotaPerformance? Then add to that all the other changes necessary to get it up and running Unless you really need some freaky power and have $ falling out your it doesn't seem like much of an option. Even if you only bought the supercharger, all the changes required add up fast. You can get around 145hp out of the 22re for far less and for a little truck that is pretty sufficeint. Check out LC's motors for an idea what to build and maybe just get a head from them and do the bottom end locally. If you can do some work yourself the $ savings add up.

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YotaTruck1986 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 498	Thanks again. The engine still runs perfectly - like most Toyotas. It only has 84,000 miles on it as well. Looks like I'd better start saving my $$$. __________________ - Jonathan 1986 Toyota Pickup The Truck (Picture) My Music Last edited by YotaTruck1986; 06-13-2004 at 08:00 PM.

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the_supernerd Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sonora, CA Posts: 1,138	Just a suggestion: If you are going to spend that much money, maybe you should think about doing a Supra engine conversion. Try searching for it on this site. There should be a lot of info.

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kyle_22r Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lacey, WA Posts: 3,992	my '84 2wd pickup flew with it's 22R. i couldn't possibly imagine a 7MGE or 7MGTE(turbo) __________________ 1998 tacoma, 3RZ-FE, 5 speed, 30x9.5R15 M/Ts past toys: 1984 4x2 1979 4x4 1991 4x4

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Flamedx4 Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: 100 miles offshore as much as possible, & Springfield Oregon USA Posts: 3,285	Before I spent that kind of money I'd put a FI small block Chevy in it. They're cheap & plentiful, easy to work on, easy to hotrod. Install kits are available to make it easy to do. If you resist the urge to use too much horsepower, the trans and tcase will live with a stock small block. __________________ All my Yotas are gone. Stuff to sell: http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.p...39#post1009839 -Phil Last edited by Flamedx4; 06-14-2004 at 09:27 AM.

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Tokez420 Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 81	or do this http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...&category=6059 i might do this when i get the 6L and 4L80 tranny and swap it in my silverado. and then swap the my old v8 and tranny into the yota __________________ 1989 22RE Toyota Pickup - Custom Intake 2002 Chevy Silverado - Magnaflow Cat back, UPD Intake, Custom Tuned, B&M Tranny Super Cooler, Vette Servo, Toyo Proxes, 6000k HIDs 1995 Acura Integra - AEM Intake, Tein Basic Damper Coilover Kit, Skunk2 Front Strut Bar, EM Racing Rear Strut Bar, EM Racing Pillar Bar, Beaks Subframe Tie-Bar, Suspension Techniques Rear Sway Bar, Skunk2 Camber Kit, 6000k HIDs

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kyle_22r Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lacey, WA Posts: 3,992	chevy guts in a toy? that's blasphemy! :pat: __________________ 1998 tacoma, 3RZ-FE, 5 speed, 30x9.5R15 M/Ts past toys: 1984 4x2 1979 4x4 1991 4x4

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Flamedx4 Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: 100 miles offshore as much as possible, & Springfield Oregon USA Posts: 3,285	So, you'd rather it was Ford?.... __________________ All my Yotas are gone. Stuff to sell: http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.p...39#post1009839 -Phil

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DavidA Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Fort Worth, TX Posts: 919	Got a quote back from LC yesterday on the SC for my 1991...THEY WANT $27**. for it! Yikes! More than I expected for a 4 cyl. I was hoping sub 2K. __________________ 2002 Stellar Blue 4Runner Sport Edition Cold Air Intake Magnaflow Exhaust Iridium Sparkplugs Kenwood KDC-MP628 Blaupunkt Separates in all of the doors Two RF P2002 amps Kenwood 12" Subwoofer My baby: Pics

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YotaTruck1986 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 498	Well, if I were to forget the blower, I wonder if a hood scoop would be possible. Has anyone installed one on there truck before? It'd be 10 times less expensive. Just wondering how much of a difference it would make? Thanks for all the input. __________________ - Jonathan 1986 Toyota Pickup The Truck (Picture) My Music

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Flamedx4 Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: 100 miles offshore as much as possible, & Springfield Oregon USA Posts: 3,285	Why would a hood scoop make any difference in how it runs? __________________ All my Yotas are gone. Stuff to sell: http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.p...39#post1009839 -Phil

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YotaTruck1986 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 498	I'm saying, if I installed a functional hood scoop, would that additional forced air make a substantial difference in the trucks performance. Because air would be blown into the intake when I driven. Just wondering if it's worth it. __________________ - Jonathan 1986 Toyota Pickup The Truck (Picture) My Music

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