thinkin about this lift

dbcx · 02-11-2008, 03:45 PM

I was looking at Fat Bobs Garage at th e lift kits he offers. They have a 2.5 front and 2.5 rear spacer kit,Its only 115.00. has anybody set up like this i dont have 1200 bucks for the Sonoran set up right now. I like doing things right but this lookreally simple and should tide me over for a year or so. I dont do much hard core offroading, just what needs to b done like hunting and maybe trail rides in the mountains once or twice a year. They also have a diff dro[p kit for 20 bucks. What do yall think

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turboale · 02-11-2008, 03:57 PM

Tide you over until you compress/ruine your stock springs and you have to buy a new lift? Quite possibly...

dbcx · 02-11-2008, 04:01 PM

why would spacers compress the old coils the rig still weighs the same?

turboale · 02-11-2008, 04:03 PM

Compress spring with spacer = Higher spring rate+lift...

turboale · 02-11-2008, 04:06 PM

You could piece together a lift and have it come out to less than Steve's kit. Ie, find someone that lifted their tundra and use their springs. Usually they are just taking up space in someone's garage and they let them go cheap. Look at all the lift options before you buy some cheap kit to "get you by" this is your suspension we are talking about here... If the truck isn't your DD then I guess you could do something cheap, but you do get what you pay for...

dbcx · 02-11-2008, 04:10 PM

Arent you just setting everything down on top of the spacers? I cant see that much of a spring rate change.If you wedge the spacer into the spring i can see that,that wouldnt be good. Unless im not seeing it straight just setting the runner down onto a higher point doesnt seem like it would change spring rates and comp.

dbcx · 02-11-2008, 04:13 PM

I really want the kit from steve but it may be next year before i can get it

wjwerdna · 02-11-2008, 04:17 PM

many people argue that it is better to wait and get real springs than to use spacers due to the "cheapness" of how they work. Spacers don't compress your springs, you are right. They do make you need longer shocks still... I wish I had just gone with springs, but I am running spacers (for the last 2 years) and still haven't bought the springs (or shocks) like I've been meaning too. You will still need a couple little things, and should still do the diff drop option.

SO in the end, spacers DO NOT change your spring rate, only a different spring will change spring rate

wjwerdna · 02-11-2008, 04:18 PM

if you think you can afford it in around a year or so... may as well wait... if you think it will be longer maybe go ahead and get spacers

turboale · 02-11-2008, 04:20 PM

Ah, top outs are better, but I don't know if your going to be able to get as much lift as you are wanting out of just a top-out. Personally I would just do a body lift at first since that is in the same price range. That way you will already have it when you add the suspension. I personally think for our IFS rigs that a mixture of suspension and body lift is ideal b/c a body lift keeps the center of gravity low while allowing for bigger tires (higher diff clearance) while the suspension gives you more flex etc. Anything over 2" I would say is too much but if you keep it in the 1"-2" range you should be good. Not to mention it makes working on it much easier...

my .02

wjwerdna · 02-11-2008, 04:26 PM

yep... I wish I thought of that before instead of 2.5"F and 3"R in suspension, I would have gone 2"F and 2.5"R with a 1.5" BL

flatland4runner · 02-11-2008, 04:27 PM

talk to the guys at trdparts4u about the lift/spacers...they have been very helpful with my decision making, they've answered all my questions fast and I haven't even spent a dime there...yet. Just one man's opinion

dbcx · 02-11-2008, 04:33 PM

With a body lift i have noticed they dont look as bad as on alot of trucks but it leaves the hitch hangin down. I guess that could be fixed, i dont like b/l.
I know i would run spacers atleast a year, but if i wasnt having any issues i may use them longer. I have brand new 265BFG a/t so i dont want it so high i need new tires,so thinking about that i may run spacers until i wear out the 265 size tires. I just want some space in there so it doesnt look so stock.
Thank for the input so far

dbcx · 02-11-2008, 04:42 PM

Btw, i thought about the OME 3inch coil kit but i read some info on here saying it wasnt that good, rode bad and caused cv problems. Looks like a decent kit on paper.

turboale · 02-11-2008, 06:31 PM

The OME lift is on the stiffer side but if you choose the correct springs and use their shocks its not bad. Hell, it was the standard for many years until Steve and Andy started playing with the OEM Tundra stuff. The only thing is you have to use their shocks b/c their setup uses stiff-er springs and softer shocks. I had the Stiff springs with the HD bilstein shocks and it rode stiff for most. I personally loved it b/c my 98 was my dd and on the street 90% of the time, but I'll admit it was too stiff for some. IMHO, I would never run a super soft setup on the street if my truck was my DD but it does function/flex much better off-road when it is. I hear ya about only having a body lift, but its your truck... at the end of the day its totally up to you!

Jdizzydub · 02-11-2008, 06:47 PM

Never heard of that lift, but i get what you're saying on wanting something for now. I've learned doing it that way has lead to doing it over again.
..but x2 on Turboale's advice on shop around you can do a lift for around the same price with other guys stuff lying around--most of the guys here aren't really selling their stuff to make a big profit so it could be something to look into.

dbcx · 02-12-2008, 01:32 PM

The OME kit would work for awhile who knows by time i run it awile i may be ready for sas. This is used as a dd but doesnt have to be. The sas look pretty sweet and clean if done right then i could have locking hubs,springs and all that good stuff. I wonder if anybody has any long term use reports of daily driving that setup? one thing at a time tho i maynever sas i hate to mess up a really nice dd , i probably would never go hardcore offroading enough to need it,i just like it and i looks cool( and functional too)

cackalak han · 02-12-2008, 01:49 PM

Look at the thread right above yours

http://www.yotatech.com/f2/02-4-runn...prings-137064/

$691 shipped through rocky-road.com. 2.5" lift. That's what I'd go with. Steve's kit is nice, but with the savings through OME, I can get sliders, too!

02-11-2008, 03:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
turboale Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 4,836	Tide you over until you compress/ruine your stock springs and you have to buy a new lift? Quite possibly... __________________ --Austin RHaus NYC 06 M45 Sport - Beauty 96 4Runner - The Beast

02-11-2008, 04:01 PM	#3 (permalink)
dbcx Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Hazzard County, Georgia Posts: 425	why would spacers compress the old coils the rig still weighs the same? __________________ 1997 4runner. stock for now just got it 1999 z71, intake ,285bfgs,with ford keys,hypertech 1974 baja bug 2110cc dual weber 40s,rancho tranny www.lubedealer.com/dbcox ZO#1568374 Click for free catalog:https://www.amsoil.com/AmsoilLogin/L...x?type=catalog

02-11-2008, 04:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
turboale Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 4,836	Compress spring with spacer = Higher spring rate+lift... __________________ --Austin RHaus NYC 06 M45 Sport - Beauty 96 4Runner - The Beast

02-11-2008, 04:06 PM	#5 (permalink)
turboale Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 4,836	You could piece together a lift and have it come out to less than Steve's kit. Ie, find someone that lifted their tundra and use their springs. Usually they are just taking up space in someone's garage and they let them go cheap. Look at all the lift options before you buy some cheap kit to "get you by" this is your suspension we are talking about here... If the truck isn't your DD then I guess you could do something cheap, but you do get what you pay for... __________________ --Austin RHaus NYC 06 M45 Sport - Beauty 96 4Runner - The Beast

02-11-2008, 04:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
dbcx Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Hazzard County, Georgia Posts: 425	Arent you just setting everything down on top of the spacers? I cant see that much of a spring rate change.If you wedge the spacer into the spring i can see that,that wouldnt be good. Unless im not seeing it straight just setting the runner down onto a higher point doesnt seem like it would change spring rates and comp. __________________ 1997 4runner. stock for now just got it 1999 z71, intake ,285bfgs,with ford keys,hypertech 1974 baja bug 2110cc dual weber 40s,rancho tranny www.lubedealer.com/dbcox ZO#1568374 Click for free catalog:https://www.amsoil.com/AmsoilLogin/L...x?type=catalog

02-11-2008, 04:13 PM	#7 (permalink)
dbcx Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Hazzard County, Georgia Posts: 425	I really want the kit from steve but it may be next year before i can get it __________________ 1997 4runner. stock for now just got it 1999 z71, intake ,285bfgs,with ford keys,hypertech 1974 baja bug 2110cc dual weber 40s,rancho tranny www.lubedealer.com/dbcox ZO#1568374 Click for free catalog:https://www.amsoil.com/AmsoilLogin/L...x?type=catalog

02-11-2008, 04:17 PM	#8 (permalink)
wjwerdna Contributing Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Novi, MI Posts: 1,866	many people argue that it is better to wait and get real springs than to use spacers due to the "cheapness" of how they work. Spacers don't compress your springs, you are right. They do make you need longer shocks still... I wish I had just gone with springs, but I am running spacers (for the last 2 years) and still haven't bought the springs (or shocks) like I've been meaning too. You will still need a couple little things, and should still do the diff drop option. SO in the end, spacers DO NOT change your spring rate, only a different spring will change spring rate __________________ Andrew J W = WJwerdnA '99 4Runner SR5 - Pioneer MP3/IPod w/Infinity all around - lifted 2.5-3in susp. - 33's to fill the gap - sliders - ISR & Deckplate, yada yada - Satoshi - AIM:wjwerdna YotaTech Profile Custom Bumper Link for sale: ??? Nothing?

02-11-2008, 04:18 PM	#9 (permalink)
wjwerdna Contributing Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Novi, MI Posts: 1,866	if you think you can afford it in around a year or so... may as well wait... if you think it will be longer maybe go ahead and get spacers __________________ Andrew J W = WJwerdnA '99 4Runner SR5 - Pioneer MP3/IPod w/Infinity all around - lifted 2.5-3in susp. - 33's to fill the gap - sliders - ISR & Deckplate, yada yada - Satoshi - AIM:wjwerdna YotaTech Profile Custom Bumper Link for sale: ??? Nothing?

02-11-2008, 04:20 PM	#10 (permalink)
turboale Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 4,836	Ah, top outs are better, but I don't know if your going to be able to get as much lift as you are wanting out of just a top-out. Personally I would just do a body lift at first since that is in the same price range. That way you will already have it when you add the suspension. I personally think for our IFS rigs that a mixture of suspension and body lift is ideal b/c a body lift keeps the center of gravity low while allowing for bigger tires (higher diff clearance) while the suspension gives you more flex etc. Anything over 2" I would say is too much but if you keep it in the 1"-2" range you should be good. Not to mention it makes working on it much easier... my .02 __________________ --Austin RHaus NYC 06 M45 Sport - Beauty 96 4Runner - The Beast Last edited by turboale; 02-11-2008 at 04:21 PM.

02-11-2008, 04:26 PM	#11 (permalink)
wjwerdna Contributing Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Novi, MI Posts: 1,866	yep... I wish I thought of that before instead of 2.5"F and 3"R in suspension, I would have gone 2"F and 2.5"R with a 1.5" BL __________________ Andrew J W = WJwerdnA '99 4Runner SR5 - Pioneer MP3/IPod w/Infinity all around - lifted 2.5-3in susp. - 33's to fill the gap - sliders - ISR & Deckplate, yada yada - Satoshi - AIM:wjwerdna YotaTech Profile Custom Bumper Link for sale: ??? Nothing?

02-11-2008, 04:27 PM	#12 (permalink)
flatland4runner Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Regina,Sk Canada Posts: 111	talk to the guys at trdparts4u about the lift/spacers...they have been very helpful with my decision making, they've answered all my questions fast and I haven't even spent a dime there...yet. Just one man's opinion __________________ '91 4Runner SR5- 3.0 -5spd-Aisin Manual Hubs-ISR mod

02-11-2008, 04:33 PM	#13 (permalink)
dbcx Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Hazzard County, Georgia Posts: 425	With a body lift i have noticed they dont look as bad as on alot of trucks but it leaves the hitch hangin down. I guess that could be fixed, i dont like b/l. I know i would run spacers atleast a year, but if i wasnt having any issues i may use them longer. I have brand new 265BFG a/t so i dont want it so high i need new tires,so thinking about that i may run spacers until i wear out the 265 size tires. I just want some space in there so it doesnt look so stock. Thank for the input so far __________________ 1997 4runner. stock for now just got it 1999 z71, intake ,285bfgs,with ford keys,hypertech 1974 baja bug 2110cc dual weber 40s,rancho tranny www.lubedealer.com/dbcox ZO#1568374 Click for free catalog:https://www.amsoil.com/AmsoilLogin/L...x?type=catalog

02-11-2008, 04:42 PM	#14 (permalink)
dbcx Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Hazzard County, Georgia Posts: 425	Btw, i thought about the OME 3inch coil kit but i read some info on here saying it wasnt that good, rode bad and caused cv problems. Looks like a decent kit on paper. __________________ 1997 4runner. stock for now just got it 1999 z71, intake ,285bfgs,with ford keys,hypertech 1974 baja bug 2110cc dual weber 40s,rancho tranny www.lubedealer.com/dbcox ZO#1568374 Click for free catalog:https://www.amsoil.com/AmsoilLogin/L...x?type=catalog

02-11-2008, 06:31 PM	#15 (permalink)
turboale Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 4,836	The OME lift is on the stiffer side but if you choose the correct springs and use their shocks its not bad. Hell, it was the standard for many years until Steve and Andy started playing with the OEM Tundra stuff. The only thing is you have to use their shocks b/c their setup uses stiff-er springs and softer shocks. I had the Stiff springs with the HD bilstein shocks and it rode stiff for most. I personally loved it b/c my 98 was my dd and on the street 90% of the time, but I'll admit it was too stiff for some. IMHO, I would never run a super soft setup on the street if my truck was my DD but it does function/flex much better off-road when it is. I hear ya about only having a body lift, but its your truck... at the end of the day its totally up to you! __________________ --Austin RHaus NYC 06 M45 Sport - Beauty 96 4Runner - The Beast Last edited by turboale; 02-11-2008 at 06:32 PM.

02-11-2008, 06:47 PM	#16 (permalink)
Jdizzydub Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mill Creek, Washington Posts: 558	Never heard of that lift, but i get what you're saying on wanting something for now. I've learned doing it that way has lead to doing it over again. ..but x2 on Turboale's advice on shop around you can do a lift for around the same price with other guys stuff lying around--most of the guys here aren't really selling their stuff to make a big profit so it could be something to look into. __________________ 97' 4RUNNER SR5 4x4 Lift:OME 881's OME Fronts w/ TOYTEC top out spacer, OME LC Rears 2in. 4crawler BL, SS Diff drop, Custom welded drop bar Performance:Yellow Top,Custom Dual Vortex Exhaust, Magnaflow Hi-flo CAT, K&N FIPK, Diff Breather Mod Wheels & Tires:315 16x9's on MOTO METALS Lights:Silver Reverse Glow Gauges, Hella 500's Armor:Trailgear Sliders, Taco ARB "Sounds stupid. . .sign me up!"

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02-12-2008, 01:32 PM	#17 (permalink)
dbcx Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Hazzard County, Georgia Posts: 425	The OME kit would work for awhile who knows by time i run it awile i may be ready for sas. This is used as a dd but doesnt have to be. The sas look pretty sweet and clean if done right then i could have locking hubs,springs and all that good stuff. I wonder if anybody has any long term use reports of daily driving that setup? one thing at a time tho i maynever sas i hate to mess up a really nice dd , i probably would never go hardcore offroading enough to need it,i just like it and i looks cool( and functional too) __________________ 1997 4runner. stock for now just got it 1999 z71, intake ,285bfgs,with ford keys,hypertech 1974 baja bug 2110cc dual weber 40s,rancho tranny www.lubedealer.com/dbcox ZO#1568374 Click for free catalog:https://www.amsoil.com/AmsoilLogin/L...x?type=catalog

02-12-2008, 01:49 PM	#18 (permalink)
cackalak han Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Salt Lake Posts: 1,768	Look at the thread right above yours http://www.yotatech.com/f2/02-4-runn...prings-137064/ $691 shipped through rocky-road.com. 2.5" lift. That's what I'd go with. Steve's kit is nice, but with the savings through OME, I can get sliders, too! __________________ 01 Tacoma DC TRD OR 4x4