swapped 882 for TRDs. Rear end Alignment ?

E30RUNNER · 11-09-2009, 10:54 PM

I was able to bring my rig down about an inch. The 882 were too high for my taste probably because I didn't have any serious weight in the front.

driver's side before

passenger side before

I was right at 40" from ground to center wheel well running 285/75/16 mtr

TRD's
I am now at 39" running a stock front and both measurements were with OME N86SC struts. Ride is great a little firmer than with the 882 but nonetheless rides great with the comfort OME shocks. I will post some pics up tomorrow of it. I will be finishing my swap this weekend when I install the LC coils I have sitting in the garage.

Alignment, please help me out with this. I took it to NTB and this is the read out they gave me...

Do these numbers look right to you? the rear feels a little squirly but not too bad. I just wanted to know if this is about the same read outs others are getting?

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j-money$$$ · 11-09-2009, 11:02 PM

i didnt think there are any adjustments in the rear for alignments.

02_Limited · 11-09-2009, 11:31 PM

It looks like they have the machine set to Rav4 mode and not 4Runner mode - maybe that has something to do with the squirrelly feeling in the back suspension? Incorrect parameters for the camber, caster, etc. will definitely have a negative effect on handling. Make sure that the "specified ranges" are correct

kinzer · 11-09-2009, 11:44 PM

the set vehicle doesnt mean jack if you know what your doing, all it does is tell you if your within factory specs for that vehicle. your camber looks great, caster is fairly decent, your toe is a little too negative for my tastes, i prefer .05 at least, i usually set to .10 degrees. the problem i see is your rear thrust angle is way off, looks like the left side is kicked back which would theoretically only cause the truck to cat walk sideways down the road.

E30RUNNER · 11-10-2009, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by kinzer

the set vehicle doesnt mean jack if you know what your doing, all it does is tell you if your within factory specs for that vehicle. your camber looks great, caster is fairly decent, your toe is a little too negative for my tastes, i prefer .05 at least, i usually set to .10 degrees. the problem i see is your rear thrust angle is way off, looks like the left side is kicked back which would theoretically only cause the truck to cat walk sideways down the road.

Could this be caused by the panhard bar being over-extended?

I was thinking about it and when I first put my lift on a friend cut my panhard bar and welded a sleeve to it. Since then my suspension has settled 3/4 to 1 in. Could this cause problems with the thrust angle?

clydehatchet · 11-10-2009, 08:13 AM

if you were getting your rav 4 lined then the rear is still in bad shape. take it back to ntb and have them do an alignment to your 4runner, unless you prefer the rav 4 specs.

E30RUNNER · 11-10-2009, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by clydehatchet

if you were getting your rav 4 lined then the rear is still in bad shape. take it back to ntb and have them do an alignment to your 4runner, unless you prefer the rav 4 specs.

It's going back today.

desertcamper67 · 11-10-2009, 09:47 AM

You can push the rear housing around some with the u-bolts loose. We use a port-a-power with good results. The center pin within the spring pack is a little smaller than the hole in the spring perch so you can push the right side back, remeasure and then push the left side forward if needed.

Elton · 11-10-2009, 09:54 AM

lol 3rd gens dont got u bolts there all coils have you checked the axle to see if its centered might have to get a adjustable panhard bar

desertcamper67 · 11-10-2009, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Elton

lol 3rd gens dont got u bolts there all coils have you checked the axle to see if its centered might have to get a adjustable panhard bar

My bad. I forget about the evolution of these truck sometimes.
In this case look at your links/trailing arms. One might be bent.

Elton · 11-10-2009, 09:59 AM

they should of kept the leafs

brian2sun · 11-10-2009, 10:20 AM

That shop should not have charged you extra to align the rear as there are no adjustments to be made. They usually won't tell you that and just get you for another $30. If they did, demand a refund! The only adjustment that can be made is to install an adjustable pan hard bar (like the others mentioned above).

I don't see how they got before and after measurements on the rear. That printout looks like BS to me.

brian2sun · 11-10-2009, 10:23 AM

And yeah, he's got you listed as a Rav4 with tiny little pizza cutter tires - not 33s.

desertcamper67 · 11-10-2009, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Elton

they should of kept the leafs

Agreed. Since the cargo is usually people now with soccer Mom's and all, it seems softer is better.
Those rear readings don't surpise me. The slight difference between before and after are so slight that the readings were probably right on the bubble. The machine may do some rounding off too.
You definately shouldn't be charged for a 4 wheel alignment. A thrust angle alignment may be sold to ensure a straight steering wheel though. But a slightly off steering wheel doesn't wear tires and isn't actually out of alignment. Just cosmetic.

E30RUNNER · 11-10-2009, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by brian2sun

That shop should not have charged you extra to align the rear as there are no adjustments to be made. They usually won't tell you that and just get you for another $30. If they did, demand a refund! The only adjustment that can be made is to install an adjustable pan hard bar (like the others mentioned above).

I don't see how they got before and after measurements on the rear. That printout looks like BS to me.

I thought I could avoid having to spend the $ on the panhard but I think it's next on the list of things to get...

My total cost for the alignment was $50 bucks and some change.

Elton · 11-10-2009, 10:54 AM

measure the width on both sides and see what it is

E30RUNNER · 11-10-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Elton

lol 3rd gens dont got u bolts there all coils have you checked the axle to see if its centered might have to get a adjustable panhard bar

Would you check it by seeing how much each wheel sticks out on either end?

Elton · 11-10-2009, 11:02 AM

with my tires from touching the the frame from where the swaybar end links are to the end of the tire lugs are is roughly 13.5'' thats how i checked mine

ESQ · 11-10-2009, 01:15 PM

Wow, Jesus worked on your truck. Blessed is your suspension.

E30RUNNER · 11-10-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ESQ

Wow, Jesus worked on your truck. Blessed is your suspension.

I feel better already!

here's the second read out for today's alignment

kinzer · 11-10-2009, 11:13 PM

the cross caster is still a little high. cross caster and cross camber should be close to 0. in my opinion the tech was being lazy. but at least he set the toe higher to a more reasonable degree.

i see they both came up with the same results for thrust angle. and like i said before thats just going to make your ass end kick out to the left a little and maybe clock the steering wheel off a little.

and these guys are right you should only be charged for a 2 wheel alignment, however 50 bucks is a hell of a deal so i wouldnt complain.

clydehatchet · 11-11-2009, 06:46 AM

most shops only do 4 wheel now. can't set the thrust line on a 2 wheel. yeah, he should have crossed the caster camber a little better, id be surprised if it doesnt pull a little.

E30RUNNER · 11-11-2009, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by kinzer

the cross caster is still a little high. cross caster and cross camber should be close to 0. in my opinion the tech was being lazy. but at least he set the toe higher to a more reasonable degree.

i see they both came up with the same results for thrust angle. and like i said before thats just going to make your ass end kick out to the left a little and maybe clock the steering wheel off a little.

and these guys are right you should only be charged for a 2 wheel alignment, however 50 bucks is a hell of a deal so i wouldnt complain.

So the reason the rear wheel is kicking out to the left is that my panhard bar is over extended right? Since alignment has nothing to do with it

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Originally Posted by clydehatchet

most shops only do 4 wheel now. can't set the thrust line on a 2 wheel. yeah, he should have crossed the caster camber a little better, id be surprised if it doesnt pull a little.

at 75 it goes straight suprisingly.

Off subject I had a buddy drive it who didn't believe a truck like mine lifted could ride smooth drive it...he's a believer! It's suprising how well they ride if you plan and make the right adjustments for them. I'm really liking the OME shocks

desertcamper67 · 11-11-2009, 05:10 PM

Yeah with that caster, she can pull right some but if not, don't worry about it.

11-10-2009, 09:54 AM	#9 (permalink)
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11-10-2009, 10:20 AM	#12 (permalink)
brian2sun Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Mtns, CA Posts: 493	That shop should not have charged you extra to align the rear as there are no adjustments to be made. They usually won't tell you that and just get you for another $30. If they did, demand a refund! The only adjustment that can be made is to install an adjustable pan hard bar (like the others mentioned above). I don't see how they got before and after measurements on the rear. That printout looks like BS to me. __________________ 97 4Runner SR5 3.4L 4x4 305/70R16 Mastercraft M/Ts on black stock 6 spokes 2.5" suspension lift ARB Bullbar ARB rear locker 4.88s Factory wood grain dash My 4th Toyota truck "If guns kill people, then pens write novels."

11-10-2009, 10:23 AM	#13 (permalink)
brian2sun Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Mtns, CA Posts: 493	And yeah, he's got you listed as a Rav4 with tiny little pizza cutter tires - not 33s. __________________ 97 4Runner SR5 3.4L 4x4 305/70R16 Mastercraft M/Ts on black stock 6 spokes 2.5" suspension lift ARB Bullbar ARB rear locker 4.88s Factory wood grain dash My 4th Toyota truck "If guns kill people, then pens write novels."

11-10-2009, 10:54 AM	#16 (permalink)
Elton Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Siletz,Oregon Posts: 10,644	measure the width on both sides and see what it is __________________ My Truck 98 4runner SR5 3.4L 5spd 4x4 E-Locker Mods Mom 07 Tundra d-cab limited 5.7L 4x4 auto sister 92 pickup SR5 X-cab 3.0L 5spd 4x4 Papa 89 Pickup SR5 X-cab 4x4 3.0L 5spd/98 4runner SR5 4x4 auto 3.4L R.I.P 91 4runner SR5 4x4 3.0L 5spd Totaled 5/13/06 My Wreck

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j-money$$$ Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 54	i didnt think there are any adjustments in the rear for alignments.

11-10-2009, 08:13 AM	#6 (permalink)
clydehatchet Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: KY Posts: 54	if you were getting your rav 4 lined then the rear is still in bad shape. take it back to ntb and have them do an alignment to your 4runner, unless you prefer the rav 4 specs.

11-10-2009, 11:02 AM	#18 (permalink)
Elton Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Siletz,Oregon Posts: 10,644	with my tires from touching the the frame from where the swaybar end links are to the end of the tire lugs are is roughly 13.5'' thats how i checked mine __________________ My Truck 98 4runner SR5 3.4L 5spd 4x4 E-Locker Mods Mom 07 Tundra d-cab limited 5.7L 4x4 auto sister 92 pickup SR5 X-cab 3.0L 5spd 4x4 Papa 89 Pickup SR5 X-cab 4x4 3.0L 5spd/98 4runner SR5 4x4 auto 3.4L R.I.P 91 4runner SR5 4x4 3.0L 5spd Totaled 5/13/06 My Wreck Last edited by Elton; 11-10-2009 at 01:20 PM.

11-10-2009, 01:15 PM	#19 (permalink)
ESQ Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: British Columbia Posts: 179	Wow, Jesus worked on your truck. Blessed is your suspension. __________________ My Build Thread The 4Cruiser: 98 4Runner SR5, 5VZ-FE, Sonoran Steel 1.2, BCC custom swing-arm rear armour, full Budbuilts, 285/75R16 Goodyear Duratracs, extended diff breather, airbox deckplate, red LED cluster, console,Wabfab front discos, Warn M8000 winch, Shrockworks full hoop, PIAA 520s and 510s, Stubbs HD-SKO Sliders, External tran cooler, tundra brakes and 5.29s and ARB lockers next

11-11-2009, 06:46 AM	#22 (permalink)
clydehatchet Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: KY Posts: 54	most shops only do 4 wheel now. can't set the thrust line on a 2 wheel. yeah, he should have crossed the caster camber a little better, id be surprised if it doesnt pull a little.

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