Swaped 3.slow for 3.4L NICE!

MTL_4runner · 08-30-2003, 08:33 AM

This isn't what I want but I bet a few of you out there would like to see this.

Only things I want of this guys truck are the S/C and the in dash DVD....check this out!

Few more pics are located here:
http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/...1342799&PATHID

Pretty nice I thought.

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Vato Loco · 08-30-2003, 08:45 AM

OMG! That thing must fly.....

Vato Loco · 08-30-2003, 09:45 AM

MTL_4runner · 08-30-2003, 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by Vato Loco
OMG! That thing must fly.....

Like a ricer on steroids......

Cebby · 08-30-2003, 03:38 PM

If I'm not mistaken, that's Cannonball Run on the DVD...

**4x4Fink** · 08-30-2003, 03:40 PM

Good eye Cebby, I was trying to figure that out myself and now that you said that, I think you are right my friend!

dexter · 09-01-2003, 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by Cebby
If I'm not mistaken, that's Cannonball Run on the DVD...

psss that movie sucks compared to mischief 3000, the gumball 3000 teckademics (sp?) video, it sooo sick

**UKMyers** · 09-02-2003, 01:18 AM

Okay now I'm drooling all over my keyboard!!
Did you just happen to find this online or do you know the guy personally?? That's a really nice install they did! That almost looks like an Idaho plate on there but can't really tell. I would love to get more some info on his set up!

MTL_4runner · 09-02-2003, 04:02 AM

No I don't know this guy, just found the info on a web search for something completely different.
Just looked very cool and thought I would post it.

Here is the forum where I found the info:
http://www.automotivetalk.net/showmessages.php?id=633

Here is what the guy says he did (pretty good writeup for what he did):

Quote:

Hello Fellow Toyota enthusiast,
I submitted a request hear for help on doing a swap from the old 3VZ to the 5VZ engine. Well, I got a good lead to a company that helped me make the swap VERY VERY easy. Much easier than what my friends have gone through swapping a chevy small block V8 into their Toyotas. I like the fact that my Toyota is 100% Toyota and NOT a Chevota!! I did install the engine will a few performance enhancements. My 5VZ is running with a TRD Second generation Supercharger, Downy Headers and a INJEN Cold Air Intake. All said and done. The engine is putting out just over 300 Horse Power and a ton of torque. 300 Horse power in a Two Wheel drive is a ton of fun. Traction is my current challenge. My truck is a 1991 Two Wheel Drive X-cab. The truck is an original V6 Truck. Some people question me on that since they are kinda rare and most of the V6 Trucks are 4x4s. In my conversion. I used the 3VZ oil pan & oil pick up tube. The 3VZ Motor mounts and brackets. The 3VZ Alternator and the 3VZ radiator fan. The 3VZ A/C compressor bracket mounts just fine to the 5VZ engine. All these 3VZ parts mount onto the 5VZ perfectly. In fact when you have both the 3VZ & 5VZ engines upside down and the oil pans off. They look virtually the same. The two blocks are VERY similar. The 5VZ bolts up just fine to the 5 Speed Tranny. The 3VZ Flywheel and clutch will NOT work on the 5VZ engine. The throw out bearing for the 3VZ clutch does work. The 3VZ Starter will NOT work. The reason to use the 3VZ fan is because the 5VZ fan will not clean the fan shroud on the older 3VZ radiator fan shroud. The 3VZ fan mounts on the 5VZ clutch just fine. In fact the 3VZ & 5VZ fan clutches are the same. The Radiator does remain in the original location. The Downy Header make the exhaust system much easier to deal with. The downy headers dump down each side of the engine rather than using the cross over pipe that the stock manifolds use. The TRD headers are not recommended since they cost two times as much and still use the cross over pipe design. The fuel system in my 1991 Truck is just fine to supply enough fuel and pressure to the 5VZ engine, even Supercharged. The company I was told to goto. Made me a custom harness to interface the 5VZ engine harness & ECU to the 1991 Truck body harness. This whole conversion is completely reversible if I ever wanted to put a 3VZ back in my truck, but why would I. Anyone with a bad 3VZ should convert. Well worth it!! I get 26 MPG on the highway with an average cruising speed of 70 miles per hour. Around town is another story for fuel mileage. Not very good, but hey I am having way to much fun just to baby it around town. One more thing you have to address when doing the conversion. You either have to install a 2 inch body lift or a Hood Scoop. The reason is the 5VZ engine intake plenum is a few inches taller than the intake plenum on the 3VZ. I did the hood scoop option on my truck. The web listng I have listed hear is to a photo gallery of my truck and of the 5VZ engine. I am roughly into the truck a total of $1,800 as of this posting. I bought the truck pretty much the way you see it for $300. Yes, that is Three Hundred Dollars. Other than the engine swap I did. I put on the wheels and tires. I sold the old 3VZ engine on eBay for $1,200. That is 4 times what I paid for the whole truck. Then I made about another $600 on the other 3VZ parts I didn't need that were in the engine compartment. I bought the 1998 5VZ engine with 9,000 miles on it for $600. The engine was fully equiped will all accesories. I had to hunt down a ECU, Starter, Air Flow Meter, Igniter and a Flywheel. I found all of these parts at a local junk yard hear for $400. So bewteen all the selling of the old parts and the buying of the engine and supercharger which came with the headers. I am only into the truck about $1,800. I got the Supercharger with the headers on eBay for $2,000. That is a very good price for a second generation supercharger. I was lucky and the seller on this auction included the extra bonus being the new still in the box Downy headers. When I bought the truck. It needed a timing belt. That is why I got it for $300. $35 for the belt and two hours to istall it and the truck was running perfect. I drove it with the 3VZ for 5 months. Since I was into the truck for nearly nothing. I figured I would check into swaping into the 5VZ. Well now you know the story and I hope this helps anyone that is looking to do what I did a little easier for them. Thanks and enjoy the pictures. Oh yeah, The Black fiberglass conopy you see in the background of a couple pictures did come with the truck. Heck, the canopy is worth what I paid for the whole truck. What do you think? Cut & Past the web address below in your browser to see the photo gallery.
Thanks for reading,
Matt McCullough

Have fun drooling.

Victor · 09-02-2003, 05:49 AM

Holy huge paragraphs Batman! Very interesting. Does the 2wd 3vze have a different flywheel than the 4x4? I have heard that you can use all the 3vze clutch components on the 5vze.

**UKMyers** · 09-03-2003, 02:23 AM

Thanks for the info. This swap is starting to look super easy!! I've gotta start hunting down parts when I get to the states. I can't believe he sold that 3VZ for $1200 and got the 3.4 for $900!! Gotta have this mod!!!!

EDIT!! OMG I just found a better pic of this truck and that is an Idaho plate the N stands for Nezperce county which is Lewiston Idaho which is the town my dad lives in which is the town I'm going to be in in 4 days!!!!!!! Can ya tell I'm exicted!

**UKMyers** · 09-04-2003, 06:01 AM

I found the guy on the web that did this swap and got an email reply. He was wondering where I got the link for his album and I turned him onto Yotatech. Maybe he'll join over here.

Highland Runner · 09-04-2003, 06:23 AM

Here is a question for you guys on this swap. The 1-2 swaps I've seen both say a body lift of 1-2" is needed. I don't think this truck has one. I don't see why a body lift is even needed. Looking at my 2nd gen and my wifes 3rd gen, the 3.4 looks smaller than the 3.0. Do you all think there is enough room without the body lift? Maybe it all depends on the motor mounts.

MTL_4runner · 09-04-2003, 06:27 AM

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Originally posted by Highland Runner
Here is a question for you guys on this swap. The 1-2 swaps I've seen both say a body lift of 1-2" is needed. I don't think this truck has one. I don't see why a body lift is even needed. Looking at my 2nd gen and my wifes 3rd gen, the 3.4 looks smaller than the 3.0. Do you all think there is enough room without the body lift? Maybe it all depends on the motor mounts.

I believe the body lift is to put the stock fan in correct position on the radiator......there should be no body lift needed if you use an electric fan instead (like the taurus fan mod) plus I bet it will even cool better!

UK, maybe you can post his email....with his permission of course.....so people can ask him questions directly.

beachtaco · 09-04-2003, 07:30 AM

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Originally posted by MTL_4runner
UK, maybe you can post his email....with his permission of course.....so people can ask him questions directly.

sounds like a good idea. i like to know who did the wiring harness... if it's just a little more to swap a 3.4 instead of rebuilding my 3.0.

elnip · 09-04-2003, 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by beachtaco
sounds like a good idea. i like to know who did the wiring harness... if it's just a little more to swap a 3.4 instead of rebuilding my 3.0.

I know Off Road Solutions developed a wiring harness and now they have a kit.
I think they will sell you only what you need for less than that $2K. Worth a try. http://www.offroadsolutions.com/tech...ersion_kit.htm

EDIT: fixed link..

TOR · 09-04-2003, 10:19 AM

Hell, all I want to know is what is the guy running in the 1/8th and 1/4. Think about that light frame and locker in the rear, if he can hook up I bet he is running low 13s on the quarter. Nice install job and I love the hood as well. Enough chrome to blind you, just my style.

Todd

Victor · 09-04-2003, 06:08 PM

The intake on the 3.4 sits up higher so the body lift is to clear the intake. You can trim the hood and add a scoop or add a body lift. The body lift gives you more room for the modified exhaust.

Flygtenstein · 09-04-2003, 06:08 PM

The bodylift is because the plenum is taller.

Either a 2" bodylift, a hood scoop, or a hard slam of the hood.

ORS has all the stuff to get the deal done plus they do them in house if you are in the hood. Those dudes know their stuff.

The prices the gentleman posted in the pics seem a little low.

I have seen used 3.4's for 2k or so. The ORS kit is another 2k unless you can figure that part out yourself and just cobble it together.

MTL_4runner · 09-04-2003, 06:48 PM

Guess the lift is also necessary if you don't have a hood scoop too.

You know you want one!

**UKMyers** · 09-05-2003, 02:01 AM

I will ask him next time I talk to him if I can post his email. He doesn't have a BL because of the custom scoop and the kit from ORS is $1200 and includes the harness, all necessary brackets, custom oil pan and dipstick tube, and a few other odds and ends. Ya I've been in touch with them for a while now!

beachtaco · 09-05-2003, 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by elnip
I know Off Road Solutions developed a wiring harness and now they have a kit.
I think they will sell you only what you need for less than that $2K. Worth a try. http://www.offroadsolutions.com/tech...ersion_kit.htm

EDIT: fixed link..

i read that a while back. the problem is that harness is for the 2nd gen 4runners or 3rd gen trucks (89-95 trucks/90-95 4runners). i have a 88 4runner and i heard the wire harness changed some.

**UKMyers** · 09-05-2003, 08:01 AM

Beachtaco if you send them your harness they will custom make one. In fact that's what the recommend for all trucks because of suttle differences over the years.

Flygtenstein · 09-05-2003, 06:52 PM

The whole kit from ORS is 2k for now and looks like it will go up.

Mike mentioned them including or working on a scoop as part of this, perhaps this is one of them. It seems to match what he described.

If you do this yourself with kits, you are looking at 4k of parts price initially outlaid before the sale of the old stuff.

MODMAN · 09-06-2003, 05:07 PM

guys, Seems I'm the center of attention on this swap. Just to clear a few things up. Yes, I did get my wire harness from ORS and that is ALL that I used from them in my swap. The harness a year ago was $350. As long as you are swapping in a 3.4 in place of a 3.0. There is not much you need. Your oil pan, Motor mounts from the 3.0 fit the 3.4 just fine. Your alternator and A/C pump will mount to the 3.4 brackets just fine. You will have to hunt down a different clutch pulley for the A/C pump. The 3.4 uses a serpentine type A/C belt and not the V belt used on the 3.0s. The reason I used the fan from the 3.0 is so it would clear the fan shroud in my truck. Yes, The radiator is mounted in its original location. The fan sets in the exact location as it did when it was mounted on the 3.0. The 3.0 and 3.4 use the same fan clutch so that is why the two fans will swap. The 3.4 fan is a little larger in diameter and did not clear the fan shroud. My truck does NOT have a body lift on it. The Hood scoop was my answer to the clearance problem. The 3.0 Flywheel, clutch and starter will NOT work on the 3.4. When you have the two side by side you will see why. The 3.4 has a much bigger clutch. Probably explains why a stock 3.4 clutch will hold up to the supercharger. Yes, The 3.4 with the larger flywheel and clutch will fit inside your original stock 3.0 Bell Housing in your truck or 4Runner the 3.0 and 3.4 share the EXACT same bolt up pattern to the transmission. Your 3.0 clutch fork and throw out bearing will work just fine. For those of you with Automatics. You will have to do some research on what obstacles may stand in your way. I know the Automatics are plenty strong enough and are the same automatics Toyota is still using in there trucks and 4Runners today. The main issues is the electronics that control the tranny and getting them to work with the 5VZ swap. Not sure what all you are faced with but as you will read below about other electronic issues with other accessories throughout the vehicle. You may be faced with swapping out tranny control units.
Now this is what you need to pay CLOSE ATTENTION TO....ORS does NOT provide a fix for these problems. If you want your Tach and A/C to work when you do this swap. You will need to do some transplanting of some electronic modules. If you do not change these modules. Your tack simply does not work and neither does your A/C. Since my truck does not have Cruise Control. I did not have that issue. but this same problem applies to those of you with cruise control. What I am talking about is anything that is electronic in your truck or 4Runner that monitors the engines RPMs. Think about what those parts are. The Tach, A/C and the Cruise Control. Now your probably thinking what's the big deal. Well, until the 5VZ engine came along. Just about every vehicle made used the NEGATIVE PULSE from the ignition to monitor the engines RPMs. Well, Toyota just had to be different with the 5VZ and NOTHING in the Tacomas or 4Runners use a negative pulse to monitor the engine. The 5VZ sends out a POSITIVE VARIABLE VOLTAGE from the ECU to the Tach, A/C and the Cruise Control. So, You guessed it. I actually took a Speedo cluster from a Tacoma Truck and graphed the tach and electronics and all into my 1991 cluster and when all put back together. You can't tell that I ever did anything to the dash panel. All the other gauges are original just in case you thought I swap all the gauges. Only the tach. Now for the A/C. On the cooling unit behind the glove box. There is an electronic card in a pocket on the side of the cooling unit. That has to be swapped with one preferably from the same year as what ever all the other parts are you are using in your swap. You will need a FACTORY Toyota wiring schematic from your truck or 4Runner and for what ever year the 5VZ donor vehicle is. I got photo copies of the pages I needed from the manuals at the local Toyota dealer. Try that, They are usually helpful. Take your time since this is a slight brain stresser when you are working with two very similar wiring schematics but they are different. Remember, on the older systems. The card was receiving signal from the negative side of the ignition. Well, on the 5VZ system. They are receiving a Positive Variable voltage signal from the ECU and NOT the ignition. I didn't do this part of my swap till this summer. When I did my engine swap. It was early last fall, so I was not to motivated to get the A/C system up and working since the weather was cooling off. Early this summer motivated me, especially since the truck is BLACK!! It only took about 3 hours to do it from start to finish. If all you want is a fast quick swap and a fast truck or a 4Runner. Swap out your tack panel for the Panel with only a Speedometer. Yank out the A/C and Cruise Control and that is a fast and simply way to eliminate those issues if you can live without those luxuries.
In my truck, The high pressure fuel line connected just fine to the 5VZ and so did the high pressure power steering line. ORS Told me that those two lines would not connect and I went ahead and bought the lines for over $200 and when I went ahead with the swap I thought I would just by a fluke chance see if my lines would connect and they did. Since ORS is a Custom built to order type place. There is NO REFUNDS so be sure you absolutely need something and check and see if yours will work regardless of what anyone says. It cost me $200 by not checking it out my self and listening to ORS. As far as cost go. Some of you are in disbelief on the cost of my swap. Well, I know what I paid and what it took and WITH a Supercharger I was no where near $4000 like some of you think the swap cost. Lets just say that right now on eBay there are remanufactured 3VZ TURD motors selling for more than the swap cost for a far better motor. I will say, I just happened to be at the right place at the right time and scored a killer deal on my 1st 5VZ. I paid only $600 for a complete engine with the engine harness and all accessories. The engine only had 9,000 miles on it. The only items I had to get was the ECU, Flywheel, Starter, Air Flow sensor and the ignition igniter and I picked all those up at a local just yard for about $400. So for a $1000 into the project I have everything except the wire harness. $350. Now I'm at $1,350. Ad another $150 for the miscellaneous stuff like gaskets, seals oil filter and the hood scoop I bought on eBay for $24. So now you see I am only into this swap without the supercharger only about $1,500. Ok, now I sold the perfectly good running TURD 3VZ on eBay for just over $1,200. Then the ECU, Ignition Coil, Air Flow meter, Air box and all the other parts under the hood for about another $500. Now I have a 5VZ in my truck and I am about $200 ahead or even if you want to count the $200 I wasted on the Fuel line and power steering line I bought from ORS that I never used. Sounds hard to believe, but that how it worked out for me. Since I did that swap at basically no cost plus a couple hundred dollars in my pocket. I though well lets go supercharge. I found it on eBay listed as BUY IT NOW and came with a set of new NEVER used still in the box downy headers and a cat back exhaust system for a 2002 Tacoma X-cab. I got the whole package with the shipping included for $2,000. The supercharger was only used for 3 days and so yes it was basically NEW.
The 5VZ are actually inexpensive since they are not in high demand yet. The 5VZ are still under warrantees and or are not old enough for a high demand replacements yet. Junk yards in my area have shelves lined up with them and very little inquires about them. The 3.0s on the other hand are on a waiting list since they are dropping like flies and are usually sold before they can get them pulled out of the trucks or 4Runners. Yes, The 3.0s are selling for a lot more than they sell the 3.4s. One particular yard in my area here in Spokane sold me a complete with ALL accessories including the ECU and all for only $100 last month. Yes, that is right, ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS. The reason is because they are over stocked on them, so they just cored it out. Guess I was in the right place at the right time again. For what ever reason, I asked if they had any junk core 5VZ lying arround and the guy check and came back and said they did have one being cored and that it is a good engine. I asked how much and it was in the back of my truck within minutes. LOL. That is the engine I am using in my current swap that is in progress right now. The $100 5VZ is going in a 1985 GT Celica. The last year for a rear wheel drive celica that used a 22RE engine. That is a plus since the car is all set up with the high pressure fuel system and all. I have a R150 5 Speed from a Turbo two wheel drive truck that is going in place of the W58 5 speed in the Celica. The R150 from the turbo is basically the same R150 that is in my 1991 Two wheel drive truck I did my 5VZ swap in. Yes, The V6 Bell housing will fit on the Trannys from Turbo trucks. Now you guys think that black truck of mine is fast and yes it is scary FAST!! 150 Plus miles per hour on Interstate 90 Near Missoula Montana. I need a 6th gear. I run out of RPMs in 5th. Truck has stock 3:48 rear end gears. Wait till the 5VZ is Supercharged in that 1985 Celica GT Coupe. I specifically wanted the Celica with the Solid rear axle and not the independent rear suspention used in the GT-S Celicas. The reason is if the power and torque is more than the rear end can take. I have learned that the rear axles in the first generation Supras are the only Supras with a solid axle from 1979 to 1981. They will fit in my 1985 GT and the best part is they use the same 8" ring and pinion That the Trucks use and some have factory limited slips. I hope I cleared up some loose ends, confusion and answered a few question. Sorry for being so long.

Take Care,
Matt McCullough
mmccuL3797@aol.com

08-30-2003, 08:45 AM	#2 (permalink)
Vato Loco Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,482	OMG! That thing must fly..... __________________ 2005 Toyota Tacoma Access-Cab 4x4 w/ TRD Off-Road Package 33" Goodyear MTR's 3" Toytec Lift Clear Headlights Quick Pic of the Taco My Old Toyota 4Runner Limited, Check It Out!

08-30-2003, 09:45 AM	#3 (permalink)
Vato Loco Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,482	Check Out The Tacoma In The Back!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ 2005 Toyota Tacoma Access-Cab 4x4 w/ TRD Off-Road Package 33" Goodyear MTR's 3" Toytec Lift Clear Headlights Quick Pic of the Taco My Old Toyota 4Runner Limited, Check It Out!

08-30-2003, 03:38 PM	#5 (permalink)
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08-30-2003, 03:40 PM	#6 (permalink)
4x4Fink Super Moderator Staff Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Centerton, AR Posts: 5,941	Good eye Cebby, I was trying to figure that out myself and now that you said that, I think you are right my friend! __________________ 1985 4Runner 22RE 4WD "Ratchet" 2007 Tacoma Double Cab SB 4x4 V6 TRD Sport AR-TTORA "My work number is 9-1-1."

09-02-2003, 05:49 AM	#10 (permalink)
Victor Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: El Paso, TX Posts: 1,711	Holy huge paragraphs Batman! Very interesting. Does the 2wd 3vze have a different flywheel than the 4x4? I have heard that you can use all the 3vze clutch components on the 5vze. __________________ "Turtle" - Green 94 4Runner Looks like one and about as fast JDM altimeter/clinometer, 2002 Sport wheels, 265/75r16 MT/R, , OME stabilizer, BJ Spacers, Cruiser Coils, removed sway bars, rattle can paint for all that peeling clearcoat! Lockright front and rear.

09-04-2003, 06:23 AM	#13 (permalink)
Highland Runner Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Highlands, NC Posts: 682	Here is a question for you guys on this swap. The 1-2 swaps I've seen both say a body lift of 1-2" is needed. I don't think this truck has one. I don't see why a body lift is even needed. Looking at my 2nd gen and my wifes 3rd gen, the 3.4 looks smaller than the 3.0. Do you all think there is enough room without the body lift? Maybe it all depends on the motor mounts. __________________ Chris Mine-94 SR5 4-Runner, 3.0, 4X4, Aisin Hubs, Yakima Load Warrior, 210k Miles \| Wifes-99 Limited

09-04-2003, 10:19 AM	#17 (permalink)
TOR Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 490	Engine Swap Hell, all I want to know is what is the guy running in the 1/8th and 1/4. Think about that light frame and locker in the rear, if he can hook up I bet he is running low 13s on the quarter. Nice install job and I love the hood as well. Enough chrome to blind you, just my style. Todd __________________ 97 4-Runner Limited, 1st Gen Supercharger, TRD air filter, Flo~Pro, 18" BBS wheels, 2.0 pulley, and nitrous express on the way! I am a Toyota Parts Sales rep, if anyone needs Toyota or TRD parts email me or call me! Todd Packer Toyota of Richardson Parts Department 972-238-4465 800-527-2781 todd_packer@toyotaofrichardson.com

09-04-2003, 06:08 PM	#18 (permalink)
Victor Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: El Paso, TX Posts: 1,711	The intake on the 3.4 sits up higher so the body lift is to clear the intake. You can trim the hood and add a scoop or add a body lift. The body lift gives you more room for the modified exhaust. __________________ "Turtle" - Green 94 4Runner Looks like one and about as fast JDM altimeter/clinometer, 2002 Sport wheels, 265/75r16 MT/R, , OME stabilizer, BJ Spacers, Cruiser Coils, removed sway bars, rattle can paint for all that peeling clearcoat! Lockright front and rear.

09-04-2003, 06:08 PM	#19 (permalink)
Flygtenstein Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 4,246	The bodylift is because the plenum is taller. Either a 2" bodylift, a hood scoop, or a hard slam of the hood. ORS has all the stuff to get the deal done plus they do them in house if you are in the hood. Those dudes know their stuff. The prices the gentleman posted in the pics seem a little low. I have seen used 3.4's for 2k or so. The ORS kit is another 2k unless you can figure that part out yourself and just cobble it together.

09-04-2003, 06:48 PM	#20 (permalink)
MTL_4runner Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Montreal, QC Canada Posts: 8,807	Guess the lift is also necessary if you don't have a hood scoop too. You know you want one! __________________ - Jamie 1996 4Runner SR5 4X4 Auto Deckplate Mod, Hayden Tranny Cooler, Amsoil Air Filter, OME 881/906 N86C/N91SC Lift Best OBD II scan tool I have used!. .....and I am AMERICAN! Last edited by MTL_4runner; 09-04-2003 at 07:18 PM.

09-05-2003, 06:52 PM	#24 (permalink)
Flygtenstein Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 4,246	The whole kit from ORS is 2k for now and looks like it will go up. Mike mentioned them including or working on a scoop as part of this, perhaps this is one of them. It seems to match what he described. If you do this yourself with kits, you are looking at 4k of parts price initially outlaid before the sale of the old stuff.

09-06-2003, 05:07 PM	#25 (permalink)
MODMAN Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Spokane, Wa Posts: 6	3.0 Swap for 3.4 guys, Seems I'm the center of attention on this swap. Just to clear a few things up. Yes, I did get my wire harness from ORS and that is ALL that I used from them in my swap. The harness a year ago was $350. As long as you are swapping in a 3.4 in place of a 3.0. There is not much you need. Your oil pan, Motor mounts from the 3.0 fit the 3.4 just fine. Your alternator and A/C pump will mount to the 3.4 brackets just fine. You will have to hunt down a different clutch pulley for the A/C pump. The 3.4 uses a serpentine type A/C belt and not the V belt used on the 3.0s. The reason I used the fan from the 3.0 is so it would clear the fan shroud in my truck. Yes, The radiator is mounted in its original location. The fan sets in the exact location as it did when it was mounted on the 3.0. The 3.0 and 3.4 use the same fan clutch so that is why the two fans will swap. The 3.4 fan is a little larger in diameter and did not clear the fan shroud. My truck does NOT have a body lift on it. The Hood scoop was my answer to the clearance problem. The 3.0 Flywheel, clutch and starter will NOT work on the 3.4. When you have the two side by side you will see why. The 3.4 has a much bigger clutch. Probably explains why a stock 3.4 clutch will hold up to the supercharger. Yes, The 3.4 with the larger flywheel and clutch will fit inside your original stock 3.0 Bell Housing in your truck or 4Runner the 3.0 and 3.4 share the EXACT same bolt up pattern to the transmission. Your 3.0 clutch fork and throw out bearing will work just fine. For those of you with Automatics. You will have to do some research on what obstacles may stand in your way. I know the Automatics are plenty strong enough and are the same automatics Toyota is still using in there trucks and 4Runners today. The main issues is the electronics that control the tranny and getting them to work with the 5VZ swap. Not sure what all you are faced with but as you will read below about other electronic issues with other accessories throughout the vehicle. You may be faced with swapping out tranny control units. Now this is what you need to pay CLOSE ATTENTION TO....ORS does NOT provide a fix for these problems. If you want your Tach and A/C to work when you do this swap. You will need to do some transplanting of some electronic modules. If you do not change these modules. Your tack simply does not work and neither does your A/C. Since my truck does not have Cruise Control. I did not have that issue. but this same problem applies to those of you with cruise control. What I am talking about is anything that is electronic in your truck or 4Runner that monitors the engines RPMs. Think about what those parts are. The Tach, A/C and the Cruise Control. Now your probably thinking what's the big deal. Well, until the 5VZ engine came along. Just about every vehicle made used the NEGATIVE PULSE from the ignition to monitor the engines RPMs. Well, Toyota just had to be different with the 5VZ and NOTHING in the Tacomas or 4Runners use a negative pulse to monitor the engine. The 5VZ sends out a POSITIVE VARIABLE VOLTAGE from the ECU to the Tach, A/C and the Cruise Control. So, You guessed it. I actually took a Speedo cluster from a Tacoma Truck and graphed the tach and electronics and all into my 1991 cluster and when all put back together. You can't tell that I ever did anything to the dash panel. All the other gauges are original just in case you thought I swap all the gauges. Only the tach. Now for the A/C. On the cooling unit behind the glove box. There is an electronic card in a pocket on the side of the cooling unit. That has to be swapped with one preferably from the same year as what ever all the other parts are you are using in your swap. You will need a FACTORY Toyota wiring schematic from your truck or 4Runner and for what ever year the 5VZ donor vehicle is. I got photo copies of the pages I needed from the manuals at the local Toyota dealer. Try that, They are usually helpful. Take your time since this is a slight brain stresser when you are working with two very similar wiring schematics but they are different. Remember, on the older systems. The card was receiving signal from the negative side of the ignition. Well, on the 5VZ system. They are receiving a Positive Variable voltage signal from the ECU and NOT the ignition. I didn't do this part of my swap till this summer. When I did my engine swap. It was early last fall, so I was not to motivated to get the A/C system up and working since the weather was cooling off. Early this summer motivated me, especially since the truck is BLACK!! It only took about 3 hours to do it from start to finish. If all you want is a fast quick swap and a fast truck or a 4Runner. Swap out your tack panel for the Panel with only a Speedometer. Yank out the A/C and Cruise Control and that is a fast and simply way to eliminate those issues if you can live without those luxuries. In my truck, The high pressure fuel line connected just fine to the 5VZ and so did the high pressure power steering line. ORS Told me that those two lines would not connect and I went ahead and bought the lines for over $200 and when I went ahead with the swap I thought I would just by a fluke chance see if my lines would connect and they did. Since ORS is a Custom built to order type place. There is NO REFUNDS so be sure you absolutely need something and check and see if yours will work regardless of what anyone says. It cost me $200 by not checking it out my self and listening to ORS. As far as cost go. Some of you are in disbelief on the cost of my swap. Well, I know what I paid and what it took and WITH a Supercharger I was no where near $4000 like some of you think the swap cost. Lets just say that right now on eBay there are remanufactured 3VZ TURD motors selling for more than the swap cost for a far better motor. I will say, I just happened to be at the right place at the right time and scored a killer deal on my 1st 5VZ. I paid only $600 for a complete engine with the engine harness and all accessories. The engine only had 9,000 miles on it. The only items I had to get was the ECU, Flywheel, Starter, Air Flow sensor and the ignition igniter and I picked all those up at a local just yard for about $400. So for a $1000 into the project I have everything except the wire harness. $350. Now I'm at $1,350. Ad another $150 for the miscellaneous stuff like gaskets, seals oil filter and the hood scoop I bought on eBay for $24. So now you see I am only into this swap without the supercharger only about $1,500. Ok, now I sold the perfectly good running TURD 3VZ on eBay for just over $1,200. Then the ECU, Ignition Coil, Air Flow meter, Air box and all the other parts under the hood for about another $500. Now I have a 5VZ in my truck and I am about $200 ahead or even if you want to count the $200 I wasted on the Fuel line and power steering line I bought from ORS that I never used. Sounds hard to believe, but that how it worked out for me. Since I did that swap at basically no cost plus a couple hundred dollars in my pocket. I though well lets go supercharge. I found it on eBay listed as BUY IT NOW and came with a set of new NEVER used still in the box downy headers and a cat back exhaust system for a 2002 Tacoma X-cab. I got the whole package with the shipping included for $2,000. The supercharger was only used for 3 days and so yes it was basically NEW. The 5VZ are actually inexpensive since they are not in high demand yet. The 5VZ are still under warrantees and or are not old enough for a high demand replacements yet. Junk yards in my area have shelves lined up with them and very little inquires about them. The 3.0s on the other hand are on a waiting list since they are dropping like flies and are usually sold before they can get them pulled out of the trucks or 4Runners. Yes, The 3.0s are selling for a lot more than they sell the 3.4s. One particular yard in my area here in Spokane sold me a complete with ALL accessories including the ECU and all for only $100 last month. Yes, that is right, ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS. The reason is because they are over stocked on them, so they just cored it out. Guess I was in the right place at the right time again. For what ever reason, I asked if they had any junk core 5VZ lying arround and the guy check and came back and said they did have one being cored and that it is a good engine. I asked how much and it was in the back of my truck within minutes. LOL. That is the engine I am using in my current swap that is in progress right now. The $100 5VZ is going in a 1985 GT Celica. The last year for a rear wheel drive celica that used a 22RE engine. That is a plus since the car is all set up with the high pressure fuel system and all. I have a R150 5 Speed from a Turbo two wheel drive truck that is going in place of the W58 5 speed in the Celica. The R150 from the turbo is basically the same R150 that is in my 1991 Two wheel drive truck I did my 5VZ swap in. Yes, The V6 Bell housing will fit on the Trannys from Turbo trucks. Now you guys think that black truck of mine is fast and yes it is scary FAST!! 150 Plus miles per hour on Interstate 90 Near Missoula Montana. I need a 6th gear. I run out of RPMs in 5th. Truck has stock 3:48 rear end gears. Wait till the 5VZ is Supercharged in that 1985 Celica GT Coupe. I specifically wanted the Celica with the Solid rear axle and not the independent rear suspention used in the GT-S Celicas. The reason is if the power and torque is more than the rear end can take. I have learned that the rear axles in the first generation Supras are the only Supras with a solid axle from 1979 to 1981. They will fit in my 1985 GT and the best part is they use the same 8" ring and pinion That the Trucks use and some have factory limited slips. I hope I cleared up some loose ends, confusion and answered a few question. Sorry for being so long. Take Care, Matt McCullough mmccuL3797@aol.com __________________ g

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